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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Midnight Lady on Tuesday 20 September 11 19:58 BST (UK)
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Hi there, I'm new to this but my mom was a Moyles before she married, she came from Derreen, Ballina. She was born 1923 and was one of 10 children to Michael Moyles & Kate Moyles (nee Barrett) who lived on a farm. I don't have much information about my grandparents, great grandparents etc so would welcome any advice or information.
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Topic split from Moyles Family (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,453812.msg3153946.html#msg3153946) (Co. Meath)
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Welcome to rootschat, Midnight Lady :D
It is best if you say what information you do have to prevent unnecessary searching or duplication of information.
However, I think your Michael's parents and family are here in 1901 - as Myles
1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Letterbrick/Derreen/1574731/)
Elsewhere on internet, I saw that some of Michael's siblings emigrated to Scranton - was that your post?
If you don't have these census details already, you can also get 1911 at the same site.
Is this the kind of thing you are after?
Also, may I just add that names of living people should not be posted here - I notice that you haven't done so which is good- thanks.
regards
heywood
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This is a possibility for Michael in 1911
Michael Moyles (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Derry/Laughill/702349/)
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Thankyou for the information so far. i did make a start on tracing my family a couple of years ago but did not get very far. I cannot remember if I posted about my grandfathers siblings emigrating to Scranton but the research I had done did indicate this was the case. However as the info I have just looked at shows a change of spelling to the surname Moyles/Myles it is probably better that i start again from scratch and yes I do believe that you have found my grandfather on the 1901/1911 census. I would like to get some information on my grandmother and her family as according to my mother she died aged about 50 and it was always too painful for her to talk about. I have surnames that my mother told me were relatives such as Tolan, Barrett but nothing else.
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Family Search has Irish civil records index
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You should be able to find Kate Barrett (was she also Catherine?- need to check) in census now.
The marriage certificate would help to confirm the fathers' names of Michael and Kate.
According to 1911 census, John and Bridget Moyles were married 40 yrs so their marriage should also be in civil registration as it would be post 1864.
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Hello,
I haave just seen this Kate Barrett who is in Caffoley which is Lahardane area.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Crossmolina__South/Caffoley/701906/
heywood
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Hi, this is a possibility but I found a Kate Barrett in the 1911 census who lived next door to Michael Moyles in Derreen so I was wondering if my mother had the full facts re:Lahardane.
It seems my grandfather was listed as Myles in the 1901 census but then his and his family name was changed to Moyles in the 1911 census so I will have to look at both.
I would guess that my grandparents married around 1920 going by the ages of their children, I do not know if my grandmother was known as Catherine but wouldn't rule it out, I have next to no information on her or her family.
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Myles/Moyles may just have been an interpretation by the person who completed the census form.
The emigrants to USA on Ellis Island site are entered as Moyles around the same time.
There is the Kate in Derreen but I just thought that I would mention the other one.
I can't see the marriage :-\
There is a Michael Moyles and Mary Barrett with the same reference marriage 1925, Ballina :-\ but both names are probably common to the area.
Do you have birth certificates for any of the children - particularly those born early in the marriage.
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Yes, I have my mothers birth certificate, she was born 1/8/23 although she always told us she was born 31/7/23 and they put the baptismal date on her BC.
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I was wondering if maybe Michael or Kate were widowed and remarried but still doesn't help with match up. That was why I was asking re birth certificates.
You could contact http://www.groireland.ie/ with the details you have for the marriage certificate. Perhaps the indexes are not complete.
Gor example, there is a marriage 1st quarter 1919 which has 4 males, including Michael Moyles and only 3 females.
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Midnight Lady,
If you're still out there, I can give you some information on your grandmother's (i.e., Kate Barrett's) side of the family.
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Hi edfitzpatrick1,
yes I am still out here and so surprised but very happy to hear from this thread after so many years as sometimes life takes a different direction.
I welcome any information you may have on my grandmother, Kate Barrett.
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Hi again,
You may have gotten much of this info already from others, but I'll give you the story of how I happened upon your gran...
Very recently I found a RC marriage record dated 23 April 1920 for a Michael Moyles (Derreen, father=John Moyles, mother=Bridget Tolan) and a Ellen Barrett (Derreen, father=Patrick Barrett, mother=Mary McDermott).
This was puzzling because this Ellen was my grandmother and she came to the US in 1923 claiming to be single. So it was either a mistake or a really interesting family history issue. So I dug deeper and...
There is a Kate Barrett listed in the 1911 Census as living on a farm in Derreen with her grandmother Mary Sheridan (and 2 of Mary's children). So I figured that this Kate's father must have been a Barrett and her mother a Sheridan so, digging deeper...
There is a civil record dated 26 May 1888 of Patrick Barrett (Caffoly, father=William Barrett) marrying Catherine Sheridan (Derreen, father=James Sheridan)
There is a civil birth record showing Catherine Barrett born on 15 March 1894 in Caffoley to Pat Barrett and Catherine Sheridan.
The Caffoley Barrret's show up in both the 1901 and 1911 Census records with parents Pat and Catherine still alive and kids named Mary Ellen, William, Kate (only in 1911 census), Patrick, and Annie.
Kate shows up in both the 1901 and 1911 Census records in her grandmother Sheridan's household in Derreen.
So that's the story. Your gran was the product of Caffoley Barrett and a Derreen Sheridan. I suspect the 1920 marriage record listing Ellen as the bride (rather then Kate) was in error because someone figured that the young Barrett woman from Derreen, whose father was named Pat, must have been my gran, since her family had been in Derreen for about 70 years by then. (Kate was about 3 years older than Ellen.) There are probably lots more birth and marriage records available that would let you flesh out both the Barretts and the Sheridans (as well as the Moyles and Tolans).
I hope there was some new informaiton here. Good luck with your digging.
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Source for Marriage of PATRICK BARRETT and CATHERINE SHERIDAN
on 26 May 1888
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10778/5930693.pdf
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Civil Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Barrett of Ballina
Link http://www.rootschat.com/links/01otp/
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for Moyles of Ballina
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01otq/
Any with Returns Page No don't have Images at moment, so check Link every few months to check for Updates.
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Click on Births or whatever you need and click 1800 or 1900 folder to choose decades.
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This Search on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
will get all people in Derreen 1911..just change 1911 to 1901 to get them 1901
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what-civil-records-are-on-line ??
see
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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RC Registers are online, free
https://registers.nli.ie/
just click on Map. Select Mayo...then whatever Parish covers your particular Derreen
as there 5 Derreens in Mayo https://www.logainm.ie/en/s?txt=Derreen&str=on&con=100023
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Hi edifitzpatrick & hallmark,
thank you so much for all the information you have provided, it will be really helpful in making a new start on tracing my roots. I had all but given up but this has given me a boost to renew my search.
Just to let you know, my mother's cousins were the Tolan's.
(sorry I didn't reply earlier but just getting over illness)