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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: Stephen123 on Monday 19 September 11 09:03 BST (UK)
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Greetings to all,
I am searching for descendants of Thomas Campbell (coal miner) born around 1799 in Dunfermline, Scotland & Marion Brown born around 1798 also in Dunfermline. They were married about 1819 in Dunfermline. Any help with their dates and place of deaths would be appreciated. Its possible Thomas’s parents may be John Campbell of Dunfermline & Jean Brown of Torryburn, but not 100% sure? Marion’s parents could have been Thomas Brown and Elizabeth 'Betty' Williamson both of Dunfermline but not 100% sure? Any more info about Thomas’s career as a coal miner in Dunfermline would be appreciated also.
We think Thomas & Marion may have had the following children.
1. Agnes Campbell
2. Elizabeth or Elisabeth Campbell
3. John Campbell
4. David Campbell
5. George Campbell
6. Thomas Campbell
7. William Campbell
I was given a copy of an 1841 census showing the family living at Milesmark Scotland, not sure where that is exactly.
We need help finding out if any of the 7 children listed above got married, especially interested in Elisabeth/Elizabeth, or if there were any other children or grandchildren born to any of the 7 children listed above?
Kind regards,
Stephen
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Thomas Campbell age 45 Fife
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Hi
Is this your family in the 1851 Census Thos Campbell aged 56 born Dunfermline, Marion Campbell aged 53,
William Campbell aged 18, George aged 12 and Robert aged 9. living at Balmule, Fife. There could have been a misprint concerning Balmule.
The 1861 Census has Thos. & Marion living with Robert 18 and their granddaughters Marion Bonar aged 18 and Betsy Bonar aged 13. They are living at Rumblingwell Toll, Dunfermline Fife.
The 1871 cewnsus - There is a Marion Campbell aged 72, living at 6 Blackburn, Dunfermline, Fife along eith Peter Brown aged 2.
Regards,
Weemanswife
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Hi
Scotlandspeople has a death for a Marion Campbell (nee Brown) died at Auchtertool, Fife aged 79 Year 1877.
Weemanswife
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Dear weemanswife, thanks very much for the info, all these new names you have posted are very helpful and new to me.
I wonder if the BALMULE mentioned in the 1851 census you have, could it refer to Balmule the link below?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0jih/
I also found a coal mining map of Dunfermline and have now discovered where Milesmark is located. I had no idea there were so many coal mines in Dunfermline.
Regarding the 1861 census you found with the family living at Rumblingwell Toll, Dunfermline, I can only find what looks like a suburb called Rumblingwell just down the road from Milesmark.
Would the word Toll refer to something else, say a Toll booth? Was there a Toll Booth or an Old Toll House in
in Rumblingwell Dunfermline?
I found a Jean/Jane Ramsay who at Census: 1881, lived in the Old Toll House, Dunfermline. It appears she could be connected to the Bonar/Bonnar you list above, but more research needs to be done on this.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~holder/mirror/2WebRamsay.html
Also found this site to be very useful to me, http://www.dunfermlineheritage.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=111
Regards
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Hi Stephen
Noticed you are looking for descendants of Thomas Campbell and Marion Brown they are my g.g.g.grandparents and I descend from their daughter Agnes. I recently found the death certificate of Marion Brown and her parents are Thomas Brown and Elizabeth (Betty) Williamson.
Regards Jean
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G'day Jean, thanks very very much for making contact.
Can you please 'pm' me you private email address and we can exchange information.
Kind regards,
Stephen
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Hi Stephen
Pleased to hear from you, slight problem being I have just joined roots therefore unable to PM you at the moment. I am going to send you another reply and that will make three andthen I can PM you
Regards Jean
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This is the third one so all being well I will now be able to PM you
Jean
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Hi there
I am looking into history of our home in Rumblingwell Dunfermline, not many of the old deeds have survived but there is a mention of a George Campbell, his sister Elizabeth Campbell and her son John Drysdale (also a William Drysdale mentioned) in1838 - George Campbell mentioned again1853 - any help to you?
Janis
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G'day Janis, thanks very much for the information.
My Elizabeth Campbell's married name became Anderson in 1844. But that's not to say my Campbell's and your Campbell's were not cousins a few more generations further back in the Campbell family tree.
We have hit a bit of a brick wall on my Elizabeth's parents names however we will eventually get more information and I will be able to build & share a picture on my Campbell's and a few other Campbell families of the Dunfermline region.
Thank you to everyone for your postings, please keep posting Campbell information.
Kind regards,
Stephen
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Is this William approx dob 1833 son of Thomas Campbell and Marion Brown the same person that married Mary Lyall 1853 Great North Church Dunfermline and emigrated to Australia 1859 ?
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I am looking for details on family of Thomas Campbell and Marion Brown
married about 1819 Dunfermline
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Hello Stephen and others with interest in Thomas Campbell & Marion Brown. I know it was a year ago or more you posted, but I have similar descendants in my Campbell tree, so I was interested....however, I found that Thomas died in 1869 in Blackburn, Dunfermline (from Scotland's People) and his parents were John Campbell and Rachel Shepherd. Their son, John made his mark on the death cert. Perhaps you already found this record...but I thought I would post it anyway just in case. I believe the Thomas son of John and Jean Brown died at Wellwood Colliery in 1846.
diana campbell
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The Rumblingwell Toll was one of a number of toll-bars around Dunfermline. It was situated at the north side of the junction of Baldridgeburn and what is now William Street i.e. the south end of what is now East Baldridge Drive (KY12 9ET). The Old (Auld) Toll was in St Leonards Street (KY11 3AS).
Dod
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Thanks Dod, although I've never been to Dunfermline or Scotland for that matter, your information does help me to build a better understanding and picture in my mind of the town and for that I am grateful.
Kind regards,
Stephen
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Hello Stephen,
I too cannot PM you, so I am replying with a portion of my descendant report so that you can see where my John Campbell and Jean Brown parentage leads. I have been working on this for about two years now, and unfortunately have no photos beyond our gr gr grandfather William Lowe Campbell in Dunkirk, NY. I hope this attachment will help you out. Let me know if you need further details or Family Group Sheets of any particular couple. As I stated before, this particular Thomas has been elusive to find "real" data on. Anything I find, I will be happy to share with you, and yes, the naming traditions in our Campbell's seems to be very strong! It has helped me many times when I could have gone down the wrong path!
Kind regards,
diana campbell
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Here it is so many years later, and a DNA test of my father-in-law matches my tree with another Campbell who is related to George Campbell son of Thomas & Marion. Trouble is, the whole parentage of Thomas & Marion is not what I thought! One tree says John & Rachel Shepherd of which there is a death record. Another says John and Jean Brown which I believe has the correct naming tradition! What to do? Just keep looking I suppose. I wonder if there were two Thomas Campbell and Marion Browns in Fife? At least I KNOW we're related and Thomas and John would have been brothers!
diana
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G'day tattie-scone Janis, please forgive the long delay with my reply, thank you for the tip about Rumblingwell.
Finally I've now uncovered my ancestors Thomas Campbell and his wife Marion Brown and their son Robert on the 1861 Scottish census living at Rumblingwell Toll. It seems my Thomas was the Gatekeeper of the toll in 1861. His age on that record is given as 69 years which is about the right age.
In the previous Scottish census for 1851, my Thomas Campbell, Marion and 3 kids were living at Balmule, Thomas's age on that record was 59 years and his occupation listed was a coal miner.
In the Scottish census for 1841, Thomas Campbell, Marion and 5 kids were living at Milesmark, Thomas's age on that record was 45 years and his occupation listed was a coal miner. This record shows their first born son was named John Campbell.
I've also just discovered today, a new piece of my family tree jig-saw puzzle. There was a birth in 1819 of a daughter named Betty Campbell at Queen Anne St. Burgher Associate, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. Her parents listed were Thomas Campbell and Mary Ann Brown, not Marion.
I know Mary Ann and Marion sound kind of similar. Would it be safe to presume whom ever the scribe back in 1819, could have misspelled the mother's name?
The other thing I find interesting is how their daughter Elisabeth Campbell named her first daughter Marion after her mother. It seems like a fairly reliable naming tradition they consistently used back in the old days.
With this new information indicating that Elisabeth and her twin sister Agnes Campbell are now from the second birth, would I be right to presume second daughters were named after their paternal grandmothers? Would that be the natural naming pattern?
That would mean that Thomas Campbell's mother's name might also be either Elisabeth or Agnes and his father's name might have been John Campbell of Dunfermline?
Kind regards,
Stephen