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Two James JUDD were married within a few years of each other in Hartley Wintney reg district - one to Mary Lovelock in 1848 and the other to Mary Ann Hunt in 1854. In the 1861 census the two couples are close neighbours.
Is anyone able to confirm from marriage records who the father was of each of these two James? This would be invaluable in helping place them and their offspring in the correct branches of my Judd family tree.
Thanks for any help given,
Waterhouse
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What were the ages given for these 2 on the 61 census and their places of birth, ??? this would help to find any baptism and subsequently their respective fathers, but I think the only way to be 100% sure would be to purchase the marriage certificates . :(
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See your PMs
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I have, I think! ALL details of Hartley Wintney Judds. The confusion is understandable! e-mail me on: * and I will dig out my data-base. George Judd.
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I would appreciate any help in tracing the names of my great grandfather’s parents ,he was Thomas Judd of Hartley wintney,born 1860 and married to Mary Anne nee Holland in1885 at Christ church Crookham.
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Welcome to Rootschat BobJohn.
Is this the 1871 Census you have?
William Grinham 40
Charlotte Grinham 40
John Judd 12
Thomas Judd 10****
Harry Judd 6
Henry Kersley 40
JUDD, THOMAS mmn CRANHAM
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY Volume 02C Page 153
JUDD, HENRY no mmn
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY Volume 02C Page 154
Trish :)
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If you look at the 1871 Census again above those I listed is;
Charlotte CRANHAM Head Widow 57 Seamstress
I think the names are wrong as a I think William/Charlotte Grinham should be Judd.
1861 we have;
William Judd 30
Charlotte Judd 30
Charlotte Judd 6
Thomes Judd 1
John from 1871 Census is visiting other Cranhams
Bapt;
John Judd
Baptism: 21 Dec 1856, Hartley-Wintney, Hampshire
To WILLIAM/CHARLOTTE
Their Marriage is on Anc 1853 in Surrey
Her Father John a Carpenter
1851 Census
John Crauham 42 Carpenter
Frances Crauham 47
Charlotte Crauham 20******
Mary Crauham 15
John Crauham 17
Thomas Crauham 15
William Crauham 13
George Crauham 11
Grace Crauham 7
Elizabeth Crauham 5
James Crauham 2
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William in 1841;
Hezekiah Judd 35
Elizabeth Judd 35
James Judd 13
WILLIAM Judd 11***
Jane Judd 9
Thomas Judd 7
David Judd 5
Esther Judd 3
Charles Judd 1****
JUDD, CHARLES mmn YEOMAN
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in THE HARTLEY WINTNEY UNION Volume 07 Page 73
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Thomas Judd
Baptism 16 Oct 1859
Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Parents William & Charlotte Judd
ADDED Sorry Trish I missed that you had posted that
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No problem Rosie.
Will wait for BobJohns reply before posting anything else as I see they have been on here today
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Hi Trish
Thanks for the info I am still cross referencing the census results but I haven’t got the answer yet I will revert back to you as soon as I get it
Bob
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Having looked at the 1871 census-
Head of house -William Grinham
Charlotte Grinham
Thomas Judd 10yrs
John Judd 12 ?
Harry Judd 6
My understanding from family history and 1901 census is that Thomas’s brother was Henry.
The 1881 census
Head of house Charlotte Grantham
Thomas Judd 21
Harry Judd 15
Do you think it’s a matter of spelling mistakes or am I on the wrong track ,any feed back would be much appreciated,
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Will get back to you but all looks good to me.
Need time (likely tomorrow) to go over everything again :)
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Hi Trish
I think the way to solve my mystery is to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of my great great grandfather -Thomas Judd and his wife Mary Ann Holland .Have you any idea as to how I can go about this ?
Much appreciated BOBJOHN
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The best place to get certificates is the GRO unless the image is online somewhere.
You would need to register and then select 'Place an Order' and use the following details
Marriages
March qtr 1885 (Quarter Jan,Feb,Mar)
Holland Mary Ann
Judd Thomas
Hartley Wintney Vol 2c Page 237
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Thanks a lot much appreciated
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The best place to get certificates is the GRO unless the image is online somewhere.
You would need to register and then select 'Place an Order' and use the following details
Marriages
March qtr 1885 (Quarter Jan,Feb,Mar)
Holland Mary Ann
Judd Thomas
Hartley Wintney Vol 2c Page 237
This is only a transcription can’t view the original
Thomas Judd Age 25
Marriage 07 Mar 1885 Crookham-Ewshott Hampshire
Spouse Mary Ann Holland age 23 father William Holland
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Possible baptism
Mary Ann Holland
Baptism 25 May 1862, Christ Church Crookham
Father William occupation Labourer
Mother Maria
Archive Surrey History Centre
Edit to add - Thomas & Mary on 1891 c & 1901
1891 c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:47B9-52M
Thomas Judd Head 30 Hampshire House painter journeyman
Mary A Judd Wife 28 Hampshire
Charlotte M Judd Daughter 5 Hampshire
Arthur Judd Son 4 Hampshire
JUDD, CHARLOTTE MARIA mmn HOLLAND
1885 S Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY Volume 02C Page 177
Cricket Green, Hartley Wintney, Hampshire,
Thomas Judd Head 1865 General Labourer Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Ann Judd 1866 - Crookham, Hampshire
Charlotte Judd 1886 - Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Arthur Judd 1887 Errand Boy Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
John Judd 1893 - Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Emily Judd 1895 - Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Marie Judd 1897 - Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Florence M Judd 1901 - Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Henry Judd Brother Single 1869 General Labourer Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
RG13 Piece 1106 Folio 27 Page 8
Thomas Judd house painter is widowed on 1911c with him three children and his brother
Henry Judd house painter still living Cricket Green Hartley Wintney
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWQY-SBJ
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Hi,
I think that Charlotte's first husband William JUDD could have died and Charlotte JUDD nee CRANHAM remarried in 1865,
Charlotte JUDD Dec Q 1865 Hartley Whitney 2c 355
William GRINHAM
There is this possible death and burial for William JUDD but I can't find him on the GRO site to check his age,
William JUDD Mar Q 1863 Hartley Whitney 2c 103
Burial
William JUDD
06 Mar 1863
Hartly Wintney
Regards,
Daisy
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Thanks for helping everyone as I have been off here for a couple of days as unwell.
Will be away for a few days as restrictions lifted a little so can to to the country and visit my Daug and Family.
Will get back on here as soon as possible :)
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Thanks for helping everyone as I have been off here for a couple of days as unwell.
Will be away for a few days as restrictions lifted a little so can to to the country and visit my Daug and Family.
Will get back on here as soon as possible :)
I did miss you :). Glad to hear you are feeling better, have a good break with the family.
Take care
Rosie
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Hi guys
Have ordered a copy fromGRO of marriage certificate—
Holland Mary Ann
Judd Thomas 1885
I will post the findings when I receive this week
Regards
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Excellent :)
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Hi Guys ,eventually got copy of marriage certificate from GRO but unfortunately it did not confirm what I am looking for and that is Thomas Judds fathers name!
7th March 1885 Thomas Judd 25 batchelor Groom of Crookham
Father DECEASED.
Mary Ann Holland spinster Of Crookham
Father William Holland Labourer
Married at Christ Church Galley Hill
Perhaps someone can help me with Thomas Judds fathers name ?
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Presumably this is Thomas in 1861 Hartley Wintney
William Grinham 40
Charlotte Grinham 40
John Judd Son 12
Thomas Judd Son 10
Harry Judd Son 6
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JUDD, THOMAS mmn CRANHAM
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY Volume 02C Page 153
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Marriage Sep qtr 1853
CRANHAM Charlotte
JUDD William
Farnbro' 2a 99
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Thomas & wife Mary Ann with dtr Charlotte & Son Arthur in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:47B9-52M
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Thomas in 1881 with mother Charlotte
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27H-9NL7
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Thomas in 1871 with mother Charlotte
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF6S-LKM
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Christening 16 Oct 1859 Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQ3V-X7M
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This looks like the family in Yateley in 1861
William Judd 30 1831 Agricultural Labourer
Charlotte 30
Charlotte 6
Thomas 1
ALL BORN Hartley row, Hants
RG09/434 f147 p27
Their son John is staying with a Cranham family
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Thanks Rosie I am going to follow up on this info ,much appreciated
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Presumably this is Thomas in 1861 Hartley Wintney
William Grinham 40
Charlotte Grinham 40
John Judd Son 12
Thomas Judd Son 10
Harry Judd Son 6
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JUDD, THOMAS mmn CRANHAM
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY Volume 02C Page 153
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Marriage Sep qtr 1853
CRANHAM Charlotte
JUDD William
Farnbro' 2a 99
11 Sep 1853 Cove, St John
Charlotte CRANHAM single Age 22
Father John occupation Carpenter
Spouse William JUDD single age 22 occupation Labourer
father's Hezekiah occupation Labourer
witnesses James Tocker Susan Tocaker
only Susan signed her name all others made their mark (x)
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1851c Hartley Row, Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
John Cranham Head 1809 occ Carpenter Cove, Hampshire
Frances Cranham Wife 1804 Hampshire
Charlotte Cranham Daughter 1831 Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Mary Cranham Daughter 1833 Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
John Cranham Son 1834 Carpenter Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Thomas Cranham Son 836 Carpenter Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
William Cranham Son 1838 Scholar Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
George Cranham Son 1840 Scholar Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Grace Cranham Daughter 1844 Scholar Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Elizabeth Cranham Daughter 1846 Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
James Cranham Son 1849 Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
HO107 Piece number 1680 Folio 234 Page 1
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1841c Hartley Row Street, Hartley Wintney, Hampshire
Hezekiah JUDD 1806 Ag Labourer
Elizabeth 1806
James 1828
William 1830
Jane 1832
Thomas 1834
David 1836
Esther 1838
Charles 1840
all born in this county
HO107 Piece 395 Folio 21 Page 6
3 more children by 1851 census - same address
Henry 1843 Hampshire
Hezekiah 1846 Hampshire
Elizabeth 1847 Hampshire
JUDD, HEZEKIAH mmn YEOMAN
1844 S Quarter in THE HARTLEY WINTNEY UNION Volume 07 Page 88
Edit to add - possible baptism Hezekiah Snr.
Hezekiah JUDD
9 Jan 1803 Hartley Wintney
Father Jonas Mother Anne
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Marriage;
14 May 1797, St Mary, HW
Jonas JUDD to Anne PAICE
(FreeREG)
There is a earlier Marriage 09 Jan 1766 Jonas JUDE* to Mary ELLICK who may be the Parents of the above Jonas.
1841 Census
James Judd 75 Ag Lab
Thos Judd 20 Ag Lab
Image looks like Jonas*
Death Reg;
JUDD, JONAS age 90**
GRO Reference: 1858 D Quarter in HARTLEY WINTNEY Volume 02C Page 105
1851 Census
Thomas Judd 36
Jane Judd 35
Mary A Judd 5
Jones Judd 26****
Look at image, Widr, age hard to make out
Trish :)
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1841 Census
James Judd 75 Ag Lab
Thos Judd 20 Ag Lab
Image looks like Jonas*
I would agree Trish