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		General => The Common Room => Topic started by: emilysiobhan on Friday 06 May 05 09:51 BST (UK) 
		
			
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				In the process of getting votes for and against whether the Rootschat May challenge should be completely random or not I recieved a PM suggesting that we should investigate a particular brickwall for someone who has been very helpfull to others but is now a bit stuck.
 
 Since I thought that a very nice thought (I will leave the authoress of the PM annon. in case she does not want the publicity I thought I would advertise the brickwall here so that more people might see it.
 
 It involves a Vigers family John b 1810 who married Sarah Ethelreda in 1830 in St Georges Camberwell.
 
 They moved to the states by 1833, but then back again by 1834 and I believe the problem is in finding any trace of the family in America (where Sarah possibly died) or in the 1851 census in London.
 
 The relevant posts with more info on are:
 
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,41216.0.html
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,47875.0.html
 
 It would be great if someone can help with this family,
 Best Regards,
 
 Emily
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				Emily, what a good idea.
 
 Found this site - mainly re: the Donkin Family but with some information on a SARAH VIGERS - born 1808 - Stoke on Trent.  Married Charles Donkin Dec 1827 in Fulford Staffs, but... travelled to New York around 1830s.  Could this be John's sister ?  And if it is, did they travel out with John and Sarah Ethelreda?
 
 http://uk.geocities.com/omh762004/herm04.htm
 
 
 
 Helen
 
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				Found plenty of Vigers, but not the ones you are looking for sorry. They seem to travel a lot as I found them on a ship to NZ in 1851. A John Vigers was on the 1841 census for Lamerton Devon, but once again the wrong John :'(
			
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 I only picked this up because I thought it might work - but I can't find a birth to go with it -  maybe it can be kept on the back burner !
 
 
 name: Vigers, John Edward
 Record Type: Deaths
 Quarter: June
 Year: 1857
 District: Kensington
 County: Greater London London Middlesex
 Volume:1a
 Page :
 
 Annie
 
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				OK Mike finally came through with a little more info -  we now have the married name of the daughter Sarah.................maybe we can work backwards.....
 
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,47875.0.html
 
 1871 census
 
 71 (no address) Kensington London
 
 Richard J Hickman age 39 Freehold and house proprietor b. St Marylebone
 SARAH E      "         age 38 B. New York
 Walter RJ      "        age 12 City of London School b. Marylebone London
 Herbert ?      "        age 8 Nottinghill Prep School b Marylebone
 Reginald ?     "        age 6 Nottinghill Prep School
 Elizabeth ME  "       age 3 St Marys Abbot Kensington
 Jessie JH        "       age 1 St Marys Abbot Kensington
 Mary Russell          age 22 Cook b. Hadenham Herts
 Clard? Anne Alburg age 26 housemaid b. Busddon? Berks
 Lucy Ann Bowden Nurse age 26? St Marylebone
 
 http://www.londonancestor.com/iln/illustrated.htm
 
 interesting site - even have City of London School and other things that may be of use !
 
 How come I only get Charwomen and Bankrupts for my relatives....??????
 
 Annie
 
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				Heres she is in 1866 -  boy she died young didn't she??
 
 
 Name:       HICKMAN, Sarah
 Record Type:       Deaths
 Age at death:       32
 Quarter:       March
 Year:       1866
 District:       Westminster St Margaret
 County:       London Middlesex
 Volume:       1a
 Page:
 
 I have the 1861 census for 11 Chapel Street St Marylebone
 and I just typed it all out and it's disappeared..................!!
 could somebody please post it for me .......?????
 
 Annie
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				Heres she is in 1866 -  boy she died young didn't she??
 
 
 Name:       HICKMAN, Sarah
 Record Type:       Deaths
 Age at death:       32
 
 
 This can't be the same Sarah Hickman - as I have found her alive in 1881 - at 71 Blenheim C, Kensington, Middlesex, aged 48.   (RG 11  piece 0035 folio 51 p.45)
 
 It's definitely right, as it gives her place or birth as New York.
 
 Mike E
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				Hold the phone!!
 
 Thats not Sarah's death !! -  I just found her in 1881 as a widow..
 oops sorry Sarah!!
 
 Annie
 
 Sorry Mike as I was typing you posted... :P
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				Mike beat me to it  ;D
 
 Wanted to know how she managed to be on the 1871 census!
 
 Helen
 
 and as I was typing - you posted  ;D ;D
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				Mike 
 
 Theres a person in that 1881 census to do with a solicitors  office -
 remember Stanley N Vigers b.1865 -  he was a Solicitor -  he may have been a relative of John -  what do you think?????
 
 Annie
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 1891 census
 
 47 St. Stephens Ave Hammersmith
 
 Sarah aged 58 Widow living on own means
 Herbert aged 28 Registered Surgeon
 Jessie aged 21 living on own means
 Florence aged 16  Scholar
 Annie Downs 21 servant b. Portsmouth Hants
 
 I couldn't find Herbert in 1901 -  I wonder if he went to the Boer War ???????????
 
 Apparently the National Archives has service lists for the Boer War available and the Royal College of Surgeons has lists of surgeons
 
 Annie
 
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 I think I've found most of the Hickman's but we're not looking for those...
 After doctors and solicitors here's something different...............
 
 
 Name:             John Vigers
 Dates:             1776-1800
 Location:             London
 Occupation:       jeweller jewellery/precious metals(m)
 Gender:              Male
 Address(es):         28, Duke street, West Smithfield, London
 Occupation(s):      jeweller, jewellery/precious metals(m)
 Source Date:       1790
 Source Info:          Listed in Wakefield's Merchant and Tradesman's General
 Directory for London, [1790], WAKEFIELD. London
 
 http://www.motco.com/Map/81002/SeriesSearchPlatesFulla.asp?mode=query&title=Duke+Street+in+Sheet+E2+&artist=384&other=366&x=11&y=11
 
 Annie
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 Could somebody please find the 1861 census 11 Chapel St St Marylebone
 for Sarah Hickman b. 1833 New York
 Annie
 
 
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				Sarah Hickman in 1861:
 
 Richard I Hickman 1832  Marylebone, Middlesex, England Head
 Sarah E Hickman 1833  New York, United States Wife
 Walter R J Hickman 1859  Marylebone, Middlesex, England Son
 Kenrick Hickman 1845  Aldermaston, Berkshire, England Cousin
 William H Huntley 1839  Cranbrook, Kent, England Servant
 Ellen Keane 1842  Beenham, Baksline Beckham Servant
 Sarah A King 1841  Burghfield, Berkshire, England Servant
 William Anson 1837  Islington, Middlesex, England Servant
 
 RG9/80 - Folio 12 - Page 20
 
 MR
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 OK -
 I was checking the historical directories and I found a listing for
 Higginson and Vigers - both in the Post office London Directory and the Court Directory but it was dated 1882
 
 Charles Robert Vigers in each case
 3 Westminster Chambers Victoria Street SW
 
 also John Vigers
 3 Portugal St Grosvenor St W
 
 I don't know why but I went back to the Berks FHS and I found a Bunch of Higginsons  John 1790
 Thomas 1822
 Ralph 1864
 Harold 1899
 
 I wonder if they are related to the Vigers and maybe John and Thomas Higginson are contempories of John Vigers - but that's as far as I can go today -
 I can't think how to tie them up -  can anybody else ? - after all it is Friday the 13th................
 
 
 
 
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 Heres something else interesting - then I'm done for the day..............
 
 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,57942.0.html
 
 Now - is there really such a big difference between English and American definitions ????
 Annie
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 I know I said I wasn't going to mess with the Hickman's but these two could have been the generation before
 
 Cambridge University Alumni 1261 -1900
 
 
 Name: Walter Richard. Hickman
 College: EMMANUEL
 Entered: Lent, 1855
 Born: July 27, 1835
 Died: Nov. 12, 1915
 More Information:
 
 Adm. pens. at EMMANUEL, Nov. 16, 1854. Of Worcestershire. [Doubtless 4th s. of Henry (1816). B. July 27, 1835. School, Marlborough.] Matric. Lent, 1855; B.A. 1862. Ord. deacon (Ely) 1862; priest, 1863; C. of Hopton, Suffolk, 1862-4. R. of West Harling, Norfolk, 1864-79, and Chaplain of Guiltcross Union, 1874-9. V. of St James's, Croydon, Surrey, 1879-92. R. of Bagendon, Gloucs., 1892-9. R. of Little Parndon, Essex, 1901-4. Married and had issue. Resided at Liss, Hants., 1910-15. Died Nov. 12, 1915, at Sutton, Surrey. (Marlborough Coll. Reg.; Scott, MSS.; Crockford, which gives ‘R. of Little Parndon, 1901-14.
 
 
 Name:  Richard. Hickman
 College: EMMANUEL
 Entered: Michs. 1839
 Born:  1819
 Died: Jan. 14, 1901
 More Information:
 
 Adm. pens. at EMMANUEL, Apr. 25, 1839. Of Kent. [Eldest s. of Capt. Richard, R.M., of Old Swinford Castle, J.P. and D.L. for Worcs. and Staffs. B. in 1819.] Matric. Michs. 1839; B.A. 1843; M.A. 1846. Ord. deacon (Worcester) 1843; priest, 1844; C. of Kingswinford, Staffs., 1847-59. C. of Boddington, Northants., 1861-6. R. of Birdingbury (or Birbury), Warws., 1868-88. Rural Dean of Southam, 1884-6. Married his cousin, Emily Mariana, dau. of Edward Boghurst, Esq., and had issue. Resided latterly at Brighton, where he died Jan. 14, 1901, aged 81. (Northants. Clergy; Crockford, 1900; The Times, Jan. 17, 1901; P. B. G. Binnall.)
 
 
 Annie:P :P
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				Name:       John Viger
 Comment:       ? or Vigers;sd
 Spouse:       Sarah Aves
 Comment:       St Geo Haer Sy;77
 Marriage Date:       1830
 Parish:       Camberwell St George Surrey
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				Name:       Sarah Aves
 Comment:       St Geo Hant Sq
 Spouse:       John Viger
 Comment:       sd; ? or Vigers; 77
 Marriage Date:       1830
 Parish:       CimberwellSt Geo
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				Name:       John Vigers
 Comment:       ? sd Viger
 Spouse:       Sarah Aues
 Comment:       77
 Marriage Date:       1830
 Parish:       Camberwell St George Surrey
 Spouse's Residence:       of Hy Hsq
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				Name:       John Aves
 Spouse:       Sarah South
 Marriage Date:       1829
 Parish:       SPITALFIELDS, CHRISTCHURCH
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				Name:       John Aves
 Spouse:       Sarah Stratford
 Marriage Date:       1798
 Parish:       AMERSHAM
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				Name:       Sarah South
 Spouse:       John Aves
 Marriage Date:       1829
 Parish:       Spitalfields
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				Name:       Sarah Stratford
 Spouse:       John Aves
 Marriage Date:       1798
 Parish:       AMERSHAM
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 I'm such a dufuss I couldn't get them all on the same page in time ...!!- then I realised that they were duplicates..........duh!! - so I'm very sorry for taking up too much space.......!
 Annie
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				There is a John Vigers age 60,with son Thomas 15 living Hanover Sq in 51. Was he a Widower?
 KenB
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 KennyB had an address too..... !
 
 7 Gilbert St St Georges Hanover Sq.
 
 
 John Vigers 60 Carpenter  Norfolk or Suffolk
 Thomas  "    15                  London
 
 Couldn't find it on 1841 though !
 Annie
 
 
 
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 I received this in the mail yesterday from the Royal College of Surgeons of England
 It's a photo copy of a page of The British Medical Journal dated Nov 4th 1916
 
 Obituary
 
 Dr. H.V. Hickman died on October 16th aged 54 at his residence in Wanstead Essex where he had a practised for twenty five years. He was educated at the City of London School and at Guy's Hospital and took the diplomas of M.R.C.S. and L.R.C.P. in 1890 and the degree of M.B. Lond. in 1891.
 
 At Guy's he held the appointments of house - physican and obstetric resident resident and was subsequently ophthalmic assistant for two years.
 
 He represented his hospital at many cup - ties in the three quarter line and held the second for the mile at the inter hospital sports.
 
 He was a member of the British Medical Association and had held the office of chairman of the Walthamstow Division
 
 At the time of his death he was Anaesthetist to the Walthamstow Hospital and medical officer to 5th Battalion Essex ( Volunteer ) Regiment in the work of which he took the warmest interest
 
 A man of fearless honesty and intense kindness of heart - his death is a very keen sorrow to his colleagues and patients.
 
 
 
 NB - I sent this to Mike yesterday but thought it would be good to post - just in case anybody else needs the info on this family .......!!!! I have also been trying to find out about his role with "The Essex"  - I think probably at NA - there would be some paperwork but haven't found anything yet!!
 
 Annie
 
 
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				Annie -
 
 I'm quite overwhelmed by the help that you and others have posted on the Vigers family.  I am piecing together all the separate bits of information, and I think I can build a fairly full picture.
 
 Thanks so much for all the research you have done - you have looked in places that I would never have thought of searching.
 
 Mike
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 Hi Mike
 
 Now here's an interesting thing.......!
 Do you have Irish Hickman's? - some names are familiar - naming patterns
 etc !!
 
 http://www.markhams-of-derryguiha.com/id24.html
 
 Annie
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				Annie -
 
 I'm quite overwhelmed by the help that you and others have posted on the Vigers family.  I am piecing together all the separate bits of information, and I think I can build a fairly full picture.
 
 Thanks so much for all the research you have done - you have looked in places that I would never have thought of searching.
 
 Mike
 
 
 So pleased that after six years I have finally tracked down details of Sarah Ethedreda Vigers mother's birth -
 
 
 Husband:   John Vigers
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 Birth:   1803 ®9
 Christen:   23 Nov 1804   Place:   St Mary Lambeth
 Death:   About 1846   Place:    (will held)  Sept 1846 West'r  1 355
 Occupation:   Auction'r 1841Cabinet maker / upholsterer 1846 - late S'ton
 Father:   Edward Vigers (-1813)
 Mother:   Elizabeth (1771-1844)
 Other Spouses   Peace Toplis
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 Marriage:   20 Mar 1830   Place:   St George's Camberwell
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 Wife:   Sarah Etheldreda 'Eldrie' Aves
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 Birth:   16 May 1804
 Christen:   11 Jun 1804   Place:   St George, Hannover Sq, Westminster
 Death:   About 1833/1837   Place:   ? New York
 Father:   William Aves
 Mother:   Sarah
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 Children...
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 1. F Child:   Sarah Etheldreda Vigers
 Birth:   1833   Place:   New York  USA (Brit subj)
 Christen:   29 Aug 1834   Place:   St Mark's, Lambeth - Source: J Gauld
 Death:   1912   Place:   - source: Gauld
 Spouse:   Richard John Hickman
 Marriage:   25 Jun 1857   Place:   St John the Evangelist, Notting Hill
 
 Best wishes for New Year and 2012
 
 Mike