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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: amdunnage on Wednesday 14 September 11 02:08 BST (UK)
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Hi there, I am new and reseaching my husbands family. Looking for any information on george henry fife of new zealand. I have no dates for them but a list of their children and nothing else.
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Hi amdunnage
... welcome to RootsChat. :)
Can you give us an idea please, of where (in NZ) George Henry and Sarah lived ?
[Providing that the offspring of of George and Sarah are deceased, then it is OK to post the names of these children in this thread.]
~ Lu
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Hello again.
Is there a FIFE family link to the South Island ... Stewart Island / Southland / Otago ... maybe ?
New Zealand Deaths
1908 - FIFE - George Henry - 55 years (born about 1853)
1965 - FIFE - George Henry - 87 years (born abt. 1878)
[This is likely the child "Henry George FIFE" - birth registered 1877 - son of George Henry and Sarah FIFE.]
Still looking for you. ;)
~ Lu
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Hi
I came across this transcription on a website which had records for a SMITH family. [Not sure where this SMITH lady fits into the picture, but she shares a plot with these FIFE people. ]
http://www.familytreecircles.com/smith-burials-bluff-new-zealand-31512.html
BLUFF CEMETERY - Plot 82
SMITH - Elwa Evelyn - 1934 *
[ ^^ This appears to be "Elva Evelyn SMITH - d. 1934 - aged 49" ]
FYFE [sic] - George Henry - 87 yrs - 1965
FYFE [sic] - Mary - 47 years
Transcription reads ...
In loving memory of Mary Waari FIFE died 28 April, 1941 aged 47 years and her beloved husband George Henry FIFE, died 10 February 1965, aged 87 :
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~ Lu
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** Correction **
Sorry, I made a typing error with the name in the death reference.
It should read ... "Elma Evelyn SMITH "
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Hi again
You'll find quite a lot of FIFE information at the following site.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
In search boxes, enter "Surname - FIFE" and "Country - select > New Zealand".
Scroll down to info under the heading of "International Genealogical Index" (IGI).
A caution though. ;) Much of the information has been "submitted" and sources have not been quoted. [Sometimes the info listed does prove to be correct, but best practice is to try and locate official records to verify same.]
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Amongst the IGI listings are several for "George Henry FIFE" born around 1854, which give varying info.
One is an "extracted" record - meaning it comes from a usually reliable source (in this case a baptism record ).
I only question that it states, "Ruapuke, Auckland". ?? :-\
There is a place "Ruapuke" (North Island) located near the coastline between Raglan and Kawhia. However, I believe the place of baptism should read "Ruapuke Island" (which fits in with the South Island location of the other FIFE family listings.) [Ruapuke Island - now uninhabited - approx. 15 km SE of Bluff - but once had a Maori population of around 200. More info can be had via "Google".]
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George Henry FIFE (bc 1854)
Parents shown as :
Josiah FIFE - apparently also known as "Harry KINGI" ... and mother as, Zilla (Zillah) HAPAIAHO :
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George Henry (Henry George) FIFE - b. 1877 - parents shown as George FIFE and Sarah (or Sally) GRAY (or GREY) :
Marriage of George and Sarah, shown to have taken place, Ruapuke Island, Otago, on 30 August 1876.
Marriage - Henry George FIFE / May TUPAI - shown as being at Bluff on 7 June 1911 :
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Note: Unable to find records for the above two marriages (though that doesn't mean that they didn't take place.)
The reason for this may be ... "that prior to 1911, there was no compulsion to (officially) register Maori marriages".
[Also the official registration of Maori Births and Deaths, did not come into force until 1913. ] (Info source : NZ BDM website)
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I presume this is the family as listed in NZ BDM index
FIFE George Henry & Sarah
Children registered on NZ BDM Index
1877/14100 Fife Henry George Sarah George
1885/13991 Fife Maria Sarah George Henry
1888/6559 Fife Thomas Robert Sarah George Henry
1891/8230 Fife James William Sarah George Henry
1893/16438 Fife Eliza Sarah George Henry
1900/13983 Fife Charles Sarah George
Signal Hill
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However, I believe the place of baptism should read "Ruapuke Island" (which fits in with the South Island location of the other FIFE family listings.) [Ruapuke Island - now uninhabited - approx. 15 km SE of Bluff - but once had a Maori population of around 200. ]
Otago Witness , Issue 1260, 22 January 1876, Page 7 PRESBYTERIAN SYNOD OF OTAGO AND SOUTHLAND.
The annual session of the Presbyterian Synod of Otago and Southland was duly commenced on the 12th, in the First Church,[Dunedin] with the customary ceremonies.................
CHURCH EXTENSION [COMMITTEE] REPORT
Read by Rev. Dr. Stuart..............
Mr A. Trail, our missionary in Stewart's Island and the teacher of the half-caste and Maori children at "The Neck," is doing a good work in this lonely parish. The Committee beg the favourable attention of the Synod to the following memorial from the School Committee and residents on "The Neck".
" 'The Neck,' Stewart Island, Dec. 4 1875
"Rev. Sir— We, the undersigned members of tho School Committee, and residents at The Neck are desirous to obtain a loan of £50 for five years (without interest) from the Synod to supplement the local subscription in hand, which amounts to £50, in order that we may at once obtain the grant of £200 from the General Government for the erection of the school buildings. The grant will not be made till we have raised the £100, and unless we can obtain this loan we ask for it will be some time before we raise that amount. We propose to refund the loan by five annual instalments of £10.
"We are, rev. sir, your obedient servants,
"William Joss, John Owen, John Newton
Henre Kingi, William Lee, Henry Fife,
John Brown, John Wm. Pore, Moses Orehore,
Hoani Tui(r?)ere, William Shebe,
Rodger Owen, Robert Owen, Piripi." .....................
Old maps show a Reserve for Landless Natives at The Neck an early settlement area across Paterson Inlet from Oban, the only town on Stewart Island
Signal Hill
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Southland District Council Cemetery Records have Sarah FIFE
Buried in a Cemetery on Ruapuke Island .
FIFE
Sarah
Address Bluff
Date of Death 9 Mar 1911
Age 50
Year of Birth 1861
Place Ruapuke
Cemetery Ruapuke
Location of Grave unknown
Plot unknown
Grave Markings
This appears to be the same Sarah in NZ BDM
NZ BDM
Reg No 1911/3136
Surname Fyfe
Forenames Sarah
Age 50
[~Year of Birth 1861]
Signal Hill
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Ruapuke Ruapuke Ruapuke
I only question that it states, "Ruapuke, Auckland". ?? :-\
There is a place "Ruapuke" (North Island) located near the coastline between Raglan and Kawhia. However, I believe the place of baptism should read "Ruapuke Island" (which fits in with the South Island location of the other FIFE family listings.) [Ruapuke Island - now uninhabited - approx. 15 km SE of Bluff - but once had a Maori population of around 200. More info can be had via "Google".]
I agree with you Lucy. The Waikato Ruapuke is unlikely.
Ruapuke near Stewart Island is almost certainly the relevant one with its relatively large population in the "early European days"
I discovered another Ruapuke Island [alternate name] of a very small island off the north of Waiheke Island. This may explain the confusion of an "Auckland" location for Ruapuke (This Auckland location is incidentally known to Ggl).
SH
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AMD
Are you there ? Does any of this help ? What more info are you looking for ?
SH
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::) I hope he/she is still there to, the thread is very interesting. ::)
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Hi Carl
Here is a deviation
http://www.bluff.co.nz/history2.html
The main Maori settlement in the area which became known as Southland, was Ruapuke Island, which with its seven pas was the base of the paramount chief of the South Island, Tuhawaiki, otherwise known as 'King of the Bluff' or Bloody Jack'. Smaller Maori settlements were scattered along the Southland coast, including villages at Ocean Beach, Omaui and Oue on what is now known as the New River Estuary.
SH
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And another deviation
TRAILL Family Ruapuke, The Neck Paterson Inlet, and Ringaringa
I suggest that the record of the Traill family shows the movement of settlement areas of Stewart Island. The Traill family is well know as Stewart Island European pioneers. The Neck is east across the mouth of Paterson Inlet from Ringaringa. Ringaringa is a "suburb" of Oban the town settlement of Stewart Island. Ringaringa is also the site of Wholers Grave - note Wholers in the name of Arthur Traills second son Frederick below.
Traill, Arthur William born 24 Nov 1852 Rousay, Orkney, Scotland
Married 1 Jan 1878 Ruapuke Island NZ
died 3 Dec 1936 Stewart Island New Zealand
Children
1. Traill, Henrietta Eliza "Etta" b. 2 May 1879 The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ d. 16 May 1905 Invercargill NZ
2. Traill, Frederick Henry Wöhlers b. 10 Oct 1880 The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ d. 30 Apr 1905
3. Traill, Arthur William b. 17 Jan 1884 The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ d. 31 Jan 1976 Ringaringa Stewart Island NZ
4. Traill, Edwin b. 20 Oct 1885 The Neck, Stewart Island, NZ d. 25 May 1905 Hastings?
5. Traill, Charles b. 17 Jul 1887 Ringaringa, Stewart Island, NZ d. 4 Apr 1957 Hutt Valley?
6. Traill, William b. 30 Dec 1890 Ringaringa, Stewart Island, NZ d. 18 Apr 1978 Auckland NZ
7. Traill, Robert Henry "Roy" b. 1 Dec 1892 Ringaringa, Stewart Island, NZ d. 11 Sep 1989 Riverton NZ
8. Traill, Gordon Stuart, b. 16 Dec 1895 d. 6 Apr 1915 drowned at sea off Stewart Island NZ
SH
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Another possible WOHLERS link to FIFE in Stewart Island
Daughter of Sarah & George Henry FIFE
Eliza [NZ BDM 1893/16438]
Elizabeth Wohlers FIFE married John Morrison WILLIAMSON in 1913 [NZ BDM 1913/2304]
and died in 1954
WILLIAMSON Elizabeth Wohlers Mata 59Y [1954/20535]
I think Eliza / Elizabeth are all highly likely to be the same
SH
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:)I hope AMDUMNAGE is not missing all this, it is far to interesting.
Perhaps a chatter with more nouse than me could PM her. They after all are new and may be having trouble. I mean the information comeing in must be of extreme interest to them. :) :)
Carl.
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Hi Carl,
They have only posted once so their PM facility won't have activated (it takes three posts).
They might be away.
Spades
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:)Thanks Spades i hope that's all it is.
Carl. :)
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We now have George Henry FIFE in three generations father, son and grandson
In 1877 George [later shown as George Henry] and Sarah had a son birth registered as Henry George but found in other places referred to as George Henry
1877/14100 FIFE Henry George Sarah George
14 years later another son of George and Sarah
1891/8230 FIFE James William Sarah George Henry
20 year later James William FIFE married Janet Mary Louisa TIPENE 1911/2443
SH
and the same year George Henry Gordon FIFE was born
1911/24818 FIFE George Henry Gordon Janet Mary Louisa James William
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Hi Carl,
how about you track down amDunnage just in case ;) 8) ???
You will need outside sources Hopefully she is getting her email notifications ! :-X My guess is younger generation who don't use caps or other punctuation ! ;)
original post might be seen as identifying RC member so deleted assumptions based on thread's origin; but you can see them in her post on 14 Sept and now they won't appear on Ggl. SH
SH
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Carl,
I found this on website or Family Tree relating to John Lidiard source detail lost in transmission. It shows that there were marriages taking place very early in Foveaux Strait are including Ruapuke.
In early 1844 Bishop Selwyn arrived in Foveaux Strait, visiting all of the communities, performing marriages and baptisms. On February 4th at James Spencer’s house, Bishop Selwyn married John Lidiard to Kearaki. John signed his name on the register. William Stirling also married his partner, and six children were baptised. Visitors to Bluff were impressed with the community that had developed there, but the settlement's days were numbered.
and later
At the age of 14, John Lidiard’s daughter Nancy travelled to Ruapuke Island to marry James Lee, the son of John Lee, who had also been in the Bay of Islands in the early years. Within three years James had died and in 1854, Nancy married the son of another new settler Edward Stevens. A short time later while Nancy was pregnant with their child, Edward lost his life too.
Two times a widow by the age of 19 and an unmarried expectant mother, these were heartbreaking times for John and his daughter. Two years later Nancy met her third husband William Thomas and together they raised her only child Edward Stevens.
SH
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Children of George and Sarah FIFE and their Spouses
FIFE George Henry & Sarah
Children registered on NZ BDM Index
1877/14100 Fife Henry George Sarah George
1885/13991 Fife Maria Sarah George Henry
1888/6559 Fife Thomas Robert Sarah George Henry
1891/8230 Fife James William Sarah George Henry
1893/16438 Fife Eliza Sarah George Henry
1900/13983 Fife Charles Sarah George
Marriages of George Henry & Sarah's children
1911/9187 May Tupai George Henry Fyfe
1926/9119 Reta Jane Forsyth Charles Victor Fife
1907/1619 Maria Fife Joseph Newton
[Thomas died aged 8]
1911/2443 Janet Mary Louisa Tipene James William Fife
1913/2304 Elizabeth Wohlers Fife John Morrison Williamson
SH
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Deaths of George & Sarah FIFE's children
1965/30889 Fife George Henry 87Y
1962/40542 Fife Charles Victor 62Y
1909/6016 Newton Maria 24Y
1894/3250 Fife Thomas 8Y
1932/626 Fife James William 40Y
1954/20535 Williamson Elizabeth Wohlers Mata 59Y
SH
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Deaths of Daughters-in-Law and Sons-in-Law
1941/30675 FYFE May Waari 48Y [not a 100% match]
[Reta / Rita Jane FIFE nee FORSYTH death not found]
1964/33536 NEWTON Maria Elizabeth 76Y
[Thomas - no spouse - died an infant]
1964/42232 FIFE Janet Mary Louisa 82Y
1954/20535 WILLIAMSON Elizabeth Wohlers Mata 59Y [Her name gets longer at each appearance]
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Carl
Here is another amusing
Glimpse into history with Fifes / Fyfes
Otago Witness , Issue 2308, 26 May 1898, Page 9 [Advertisement]
GREAT DRAPERY STORES.
No. 7.— OUR UNIVERSAL BLANKET PARCEL— contains a pair of Doublebed Fleecy wool Blankets, 1 large size Austrian stripe 1 Rug, suitable for bed, sofa, or buggy 1 large Coloured Counterpane, fringed or plain border : suitable for double bads. Fyfe and Cuming respectfully ask you to try this parcel, feeling sure you will be highly delighted. Sent carriage paid for.
MATRIMONY
No. 9.— Ladies anticipating and about to celebrate the most delightful event in their life should take our advice and secure one of our wonderful Matrimonial Parcels—a big quantity sent out and universal satisfaction given. We can, with confidence, recommend it. Wouldn't it be a grand present
THE MATRIMONIAL PARCEL contains 1 pair extra quality real Witney Blankets, large size, for double beds; 1 pair good Witney Blankets, for ordinary use, full size 1 pair full-size pure white twilled Cotton Sheets 1 pair real Bolton twill Sheets, extra large size 1 superior white Marcella or, honey-comb Quilt— lovely design, nearly 3yds, long 2 pairs of very handsome white 1 Nottingham lace Curtains, with very handsome design and border 6yds superior twill pillow Cotton 2 nice quality toilet Covers, full size 1 set very pretty toilet Mats 6. large size Turkish Towels one white Tablecloth, 1 unbleached Tablecloth— both full size 6yds good linen check Glasscloth ; very pretty Gipsy Table Cover, and Oriental silk Rug for sofa or bed covers. This useful and every-clay Matrimonial Parcel sent, carriage paid, to your own door for £5. A splendid and extraordinary parcel.
SH
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:'( S/H between you and Lucy 2 there's alot of very early NZ history for AMDUNNAGE i do hope she is getting it. I wish my history was as facinating.
Carl. :'(
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Carl
Here is another amusing
Glimpse into history with Fifes / Fyfes
Otago Witness , Issue 2308, 26 May 1898, Page 9 [Advertisement]
GREAT DRAPERY STORES.
No. 7.— OUR UNIVERSAL BLANKET PARCEL— contains a pair of Doublebed Fleecy wool Blankets, 1 large size Austrian stripe 1 Rug, suitable for bed, sofa, or buggy 1 large Coloured Counterpane, fringed or plain border : suitable for double bads. Fyfe and Cuming respectfully ask you to try this parcel, feeling sure you will be highly delighted. Sent carriage paid for.
SH
Mmm ... there doesn't appear to be any connection between FYFE and CUMING and the George Henry FIFE family. ???
[FYFE and Cuming were a Dunedin-based firm of drapers and clothiers whose principals were Frederick CUMING and Maxwell I. FYFE. Maxwell Instone FYFE was born c. 1853 in Scotland, according to his (Dunedin) cemetery record. ]
~ Lu
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FIFE FYFE
Lu,
No connection except ....
Papers Past search for Fife returns some Fyfes and many other Fs including Fit Fire Pipe fide as well as references to the Scottish Fife County/Shire and its Dukes, Duchesses, Earls etc and Fife Wheat even plenty of graphics etc rendered by OCR as FIFE
There are some Fifes who appear in some places as Fyfe notably the burial of "our " Sarah
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 September »
Yes you're right as usual post was entirely diversionary & off topic - pure interest and amusement.
SH
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Lu,
Have you found any possible birth for George FIFE ?
I have only so far only a totally off the wall derivation possibility
SH
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FIFEs Titi Islands "Muttonbirding Rights"
Found this (which does relate to George FIFE ;D)
BENEFICIAL OWNERS EX KAHITI GAZETTE 1924
(Extract from Kahiti o Niu Tireni No. 3, 24th January, 1924.]
Schedule of Owners of Titi Islands ascertained by Native Land Court
POHOWAITAI, MOUTERE.
13 Charles Fife, m.
31 George Fife, m.
66 James Fife, m.
These are the three surviving sons of George Henry & Sarah FIFE
SH
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Titi (Muttonbird) Islands POHOWAITAI
The most southwesterly of the Titi Islands is found SW of Stewart Island
Apparently has 6 Huts presumably only occupied during the Titi harvest. Rises to height of 103 m
http://www.nztopomaps.com/4979/Pohowaitai-Island/Southland
SH
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amdunnage
Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Could you make two more posts to this board however brief.
Then I will be able to send you a Personal Message (PM) with some details of living relatives of your husband.
Rootschat Rules prevent me from posting those for public view.
SH
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FIFEs on Ruapuke
Maori Land Court Records have two separate records for beneficial owners with the name FIFE (and several as a Trustee) for land on Ruapuke Stewart Island
SH
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Thank you so very much for your help I am truely overwhelmed and it is greatly appreciated.
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I am sorry I have not replied earlier but I have been rather unwell and unable to get to the computer.
I now know alot more than what I did before I first posted and still learning.
still trying to find connections of sorts but as I am unsure as to who is still living I do not want to post names and get myself into trouble :)
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I have a possible birth date for George Henry as 1853/1854. His son James b1891 is my husbands Great Grandad and am having great trouble trying to find names for his children as I only have nicknames or part names and cannot find any records for this family at all.
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Lost at Sea - possibly the Father of George FIFE
The Old Whaling Days
[About Feb 1834] a sad accident took place in connection with the Preservation Bay whaling station. A boat's crew went to Ruapuke Island for a few days' recreation, and, as they did not return for some time, another boat was sent in search of them. On arrival at Ruapuke they were told that the boat had sailed for home. Nothing had been heard of them when the Sydney Packet sailed [ arr Sydney 14 Mar 1834 ]. Their loss was a severe one to the whaling establishment as three clever headsmen and two boat steerers were among the number. Their names were Fife, Williams, Russell, Lee, Garvin and Bonnivar.
Source http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-McNOldW-t1-body-d1-d5-d6.html#n110
Fife and Lee are families with a long association with Ruapuke
SH
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Which James FIFE ?
Hi AMD
There is a confusing elemet in the FIFE family as I have found 2x James William FIFEs one born 1891 and one 1914.
The earlier one married
Janet Mary Louisa TIPENE
in 1911
The only son I can definitely attribute to this marriage at the moment is
George Henry Gordon FIFE b. 4 Aug 1911 d.2003 (the 3rd George Henry!!!)
Later children - born after the first year of marriage - will not yet appear on the NZ BDM index because of the 100 year cutoff
SH
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Hi AMD
Here are a list of definitely deceased Fifes with connections with Southland - not sure yet if all are related
Name [AKA] Born YoM Spouse Died
FIFE, George Henry 1853 Sarah 1908
???, Sarah [FYFE] 1861 George Henry FIFE 1911
FIFE, Henry George [George Henry] 1877 1911 May TUPAI 1965
FIFE, Charles Victor [Charles] 1900 1926 Reta Jane FORSYTH 1962
FIFE, Maria 1885 1907 Joseph NEWTON 1909
FIFE, Thomas Robert 1888 1894
FIFE, James William 1891 1911 Janet Mary L TIPENE 1932
FIFE, Elizabeth W Mata [E Wohlers] 1893 1913 John M WILLIAMSON 1954
TUPAI, May [May Waari FYFE] 1893 1911 Henry George FIFE 1941
TIPENE, Janet Mary Louisa 1882 1911 James William FIFE 1964
WILLIAMSON, John M Bef 1893 1913 Elizabeth W Mata FIFE 1971
FIFE, George Henry G 4 Aug 1911 2003
FIFE, Rewi 1953 14 Jan 1986
TOPI, Thelma Amelia 1914 Aft 1934 James William FIFE 6 Nov 2009
FIFE, James William 1914 Aft 1934 Thelma Amelia TOPI 27-Aug-1964
???, Raywyne Kay FN 17 Nov 1942 Aft 1959 Carroll James FIFE 18 Oct 1996
FIFE, Janet 1853 1870
FIFE, John 1908 1931 Thelma D WAGHORN 27 Jul 1985
WAGHORN, Thelma D 1907 1931 John FIFE 6 Jan 1992
SH
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Who was Husband of Sarah FIFE ?
MIDDLE ISLAND NATIVE CLAIMS
(REPORT BY MR. COMMISSIONER MACKAY RELATING TO).
G-.— 7
Sess. 11.—1891. NEW ZEALAND.
Presented to both Houses of the General Assembly by Command of His Excellency
388, Sarah Fife, female, quarter-caste, Stewart Island.
389, Henry Fife, male, half-caste, Rakuira.
390, Maria Fife, female, half-caste, Rakuira.
(Nos. 388 to 390 are the wife and family of W. Hohaia.)
SH
Source
http://www.atojs.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/atojs?a=d&d=AJHR1891-II.2.2.5.12&e=-------10--1------0--
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Sarah FIFE and W HOHAIA
The previous post was from a list of "Landless Natives" from the southern part of the South [= Middle] Island in a lengthy report there are also lists of those who held land both enough to live on and smaller (or poorer) land holdings
(I have been putting these lists into a spreadsheet to make searching easier.)
The Three Fifes are those who we would expect to see in 1891 - according to the NZ BDM Index (see reply posts #8 or #23).
But where is George Henry FIFE, (b 1853) who appears on NZ BDM Birth index as father of all 6 of Sarah's children ?
Is he the same person as W. HOHAIA ?
SH
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Teoti HOHAIA
Excuse my scant knowledge of Te reo to say nothing of search skills :-[
On another list - of those "insufficiently provided with Land "
Enclosure 8 in No. 2. SCHEDULE G.
Return of Natives and Half-Castes in the South Island insufficiently provided with Land
572. George Fife ,(Teoti Hohaia), male, half-caste, Rakiura, 10a. 2r. 30p.—Has a family of three children.
Looks like James William was born between pages of the report - unless I've missed an other one !
Still don't know where the "W" comes from....not really the same as a "T".
SH
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There is one more HOHAIA found in the OCR scanning of the document
SCHEDULE H.
Return of Natives and Half-castes in the South Island owning Land over 50 acres.
112. Harete Toko Hohaia, female, Maori, Rapaki, 61a. 0r. 19p.
maybe the rich auntie ?
SH
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Hello amdunnage
... welcome back - trust you are now on the mend. :)
I feel sure that there will be a lot more oral (rather than written) history available for the FIFE family and descendants. And it seems present-day family members who can offer you help with this, shouldn't be too difficult to track down. :)
If you try a "Google" search using this simple search term
FIFE + ruapuke island
you'll be returned, some interesting snippets. Amongst these is a PDF (ex Justice Department) relating to a Ministerial review concerning the Foreshore and Seabed Act 2004, presented on behalf of the FIFE and TOPI Whanau.
[It includes a gentleman's name - which I'll refrain from adding here.]
On the second page of search results, can be found messages posted to other genealogy forums - one of which mentions the existence of "Ruapuke Island registers of inhabitants" commencing from (I think), 1850. Sounds promising.
I hope you'll be able to find some useful contacts.
Best of luck. :)
~ Lu
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Hi AMD & Lucy
Is this the Register you referred to ? - Held at Christchurch Libraries
http://christchurch.bibliocommons.com/search?q=Church+Records+and+Registers+--+New+Zealand+--+Ruapuke+Island&t=subject
Ruapuke Registers Typescript Copy of the Register Kept by the Rev. J.F.H. Wohlers of the North German Mission Society at the Ruapuke Island Mission, Foveaux Strait, N.Z By Wohlers, J. F. H. (Book - 2008)
929.3 WOH Available in some Locations
SH
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I have looked at a few search results for Owners (the majority are current beneficiaries of Maori Land Holdings) at the official Website
http://www.maorilandonline.govt.nz/gis/owner/interestSearch.htm
It pays to have full names first or else look at specific pieces of Land.
There is some FIFE interest in the second- most-northern section of Ruapuke
SH
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Did any FIFEs play Rugby ?
A post for largely topical interest
Otago Witness , Issue 2331, 3 November 1898, Page 29
October 28.—
On Wednesday, 19th inst.,[ie this month - October] the Stewart Island football team journeyed over to Ruapuke to play the return match with the Ruapuke team, the game resulting in a draw. Captain H. Roderique conveyed the team there and back in his smart craft the Rosetta. The match was played the following day. All Ruapuke turned out, the spectators numbering about 100 people, to witness the first match ever played on Ruapuke Island. The day was dull, and it was blowing hard. Ruapuke won the toss, and played with the wind in their favour, while the Stewart Islanders played a defensive game. The first spell Symonds (Ruapuke) managed to get the ball from Cotter, who did some nice passing, and scored a try, which was converted by Cotter. Play was then kept in the Stewart Island twenty-five. After some hard play Russell, Taylor, and Rita managed to get the ball over the line, only to be forced down by Stewart Island. The second spell was in Stewart Island's favour, but some of the team displayed a very selfieh spirit. After some good passing by Martin, Campbell, Bernstone, and Joss, Bernstone managed to score, which was converted by Marshall. After more fast play on both sides, time was called. For Stewart Island Roderique, Strahan, Campbell, Bernstone, Martin, Carstensen, and Marshall played a good game; while Russell, Cotter, Taylor, Topi, H. Rita, and Symonds showed up well for Ruapuke. Messrs Westlake and Anglem acted as line umpires and Mr Joseph Dixon gave satisfaction to both sides with his decisions as referee. After the match the teams were invited to dinner by Mr and Mrs Russell at their residence. Somewhere about 60 people sat down to partake of the good things, of which there was plenty. In the evening a concert and dance was held in Mrs Russell's large dining room, which was tastefully decorated for the occasion. Songs were given by Miss K. Kihau, Miss Jessie Gilchrist. Miss B. Waitiri, and Miss May Russell, also by Messrs A. Russell, T. M'Leary, J. Strahan, T. Orr, and G. Fife. Mr J. Westlake kept the company in roars of laughter with his comic songs, dances and skits. Mr A. Russell danced a jig, and Miss Kihau and Miss May Russell danced a very pretty skirt dance. After the concert dancing was kept up till daylight, Messrs Russell and Westlake acting as M.C.'s, while Miss Jessie Gilchrist (piano), and Messrs Anglem and Parry (violins), and Mr Maurice Topi (bagpipes) supplied the music.
Sports. — During the day and in the evening of the following day the Ruapuke athletic sports were held on Mr John Topi's lawn which looked very pretty, all the fruit trees round about being in full bloom. Great interest was taken in the various events, especially the Ladies' Race.
The 160 Yards Championship of the island evoked a great deal of interest, and ended in a win for J. Spence (Ruapuke) by a few inches from Joe Dixon (Stewart Island). The tug-of-war was won by Stewart Island after an exciting pull of 28 minutes with Ruapuke. After the sports every person on the island was invited by Mr and Mrs Maurice Topi to dinner in their house, the largest on tho island. After dinner singing and dancing were kept up till 1 o'clock in the morning. At 6 o'clock the same morning the Stewart Island party left for home, after spending three very happy days. The kindness which was shown to the visitors by the people on the island cannot be too highly spoken of, special mention being made of Messrs Cotter, Russell, Parry, and Topi.
The following are the results of the sports : — Running long jump, A. Russell (Ruapuke) 1, W. King (R) 2; one-mile cross country, S. M. Cotter (R) 1, W. King (R) 2; 100 Yards Championship of the Islands, run in heats, J. Spencer (R) 1, Joe Dixon (S. I.) 2 ; running high jump, T. Jacobs (R) 1, Kavanah (S. I.) 2; one-mile walk, Kavanah (S. I.) 1, B. Anglem (R) 2, E. Taylor (R) 3 ; quarter-mile, J. Spencer (R) 1, E. Taylor (R) 2, J. Newton (R.) 3; Ladies' Race (16 entries) 100 yards, Mrs M. Topi 1, Miss Jessie Gilchrist 2, Mrs A. Russell 3; Tug-of-war, 10 men a-side, Stewart Island 1, Ruapuke 2, All-comers 3. A 2 inch rope parted in this event, which caused a great deal of merriment amongst the spectators.
SH
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CENSUS OF THE MIDDLE ISLAND NATIVES IN 1848 AND 1853.
When I found this I thought I would find a list of Fifes but I cannot see any :o
http://atojs.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/atojs?a=d&d=AJHR1886-I.1.2069&cl=&srpos=0&e=-------10--1------0picton--
1886. NEW ZEALAND CENSUS OF THE MIDDLE ISLAND NATIVES
MADE BY Mr. COMMISSIONER MANTELL IN 1848 AND 1853.
Return to an Order of the House of Representatives, dated 6th July, 188S.
Ordered, " That there be laid on the table of this House a list of names of all the men, women, and children, and the names of each hapu of the Native people residing in the several districts in the Middle Island to whom reserves have been made, and which were set apart by the Hon. Mr. Mantell in the years 1848 and 1852, and that the same be printed.' '—(Mr. PRATT.)
Copy of Census of the Native Residents in 1848 in the Ngaitahu Block.
No. Name. Sex. Tribe or Hapu.
Maybe it is complimentary to the list published some 5 years later of "landless natives" , or maybe the names are not obvious as they are maori (we might say now Te Reo) names and not the Missionary names as may have been used for official records (in English).
Even some of the place-names are not familiar to me and certainly the order of place-names seems to be not even geographic.
SH
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Thank you so very much for the information you are giving me. It certainly is helping me to fill some of the huge gaps I have :)
I am in awe that complete strangers are willing to help me and the information is such interesting reading.
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AMD
We think there is much interesting too ! 8)
Are there any specific places where you are missing info or of special interest to you ?
SH
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Thank you so very much for all your help. I am now stuck on information on Josiah fife (possibly Harry Kingi) I believe his son George Henry b 01 January 1854 is my husbands Great Great Grandad but is not yet confirmed. Is it possible to get any information on Josiah? He married Zilla Hapaiah but cannot find anything at all except births of 3 children.
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Hi,
Thanks for all the work you guys put into this, I stumbled across this via google, my grand mother was Elizabeth Wohlers Fife, Williamson. The 6 pages here have filled in quite a few gaps.
Cheers,
George Henry Williamson.
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Hi there, if you are still interested in Josiah Fife I may have some enlightening information for you.
I do believe me and your husband are distant cousins ;D
Anyway, Josiah Fife was also known as Harry Kingi and Hohaia Poheahea. He is listed in the Ngai Tahu blue book under kaumatua number 1129. His wife Hira Hapaiaho is kaumatua number 1127. Josiah may be the father of George Fife, but according to a source he was known for taking in and adopting stray children. Thus, there is a possibility Josiah is in fact George's adoptive father. Despite this, there is still a strong chance that he is his birth father. Josiah/Hohaia's father was known as Manu and his wife was Kakura. Manu's father may have been Teihoka Mahaka and mother Wahakai. My family tree ends at Teihoka Mahaka's father Kaumia and mother Te Haumaia. It seems that Josiah/Hohaia's whanau were originally from Canterbury. I do believe they may have moved to Southland during the war's with Te Rauparaha as did many other Ngai Tahu living in the Canterbury region, although this is not something I can prove. You may, also, be interested to know the name Fife appears out of nowhere, although it seems no coincidence that a few generations earlier a Scotsman called Fife seems to have jumped ship at Stewart Island.
Hope this helps :)
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hi Guys, My brother is george henry after the same who married sarah (Hira) Hapaiako.
I have quite a bit of information about this line (obviously, its my own) and those linking into it. Email me so we can go further. By the way, according to Greene's Ngai tahu whakapapa, manu died without issue. The line of Poheahea comes from Te Mahaka.
Cheers
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Hello JRNZ and Maybenobody, and welcome to RootsChat. ;D
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Good luck with your research.
Spades
Moderator
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Hi Maybe JR and seis
I have notes collected on Fifes which may include something of interest to you amongst the other Southern Fifes. (Sorted and unsorted 11MB)
This includes a tentative Family Tree which cannot be posted here as it may include living names.
If you post another post on Rootschat you will have access to the Personal Message system and I can email anything which you might be interested in.
Signal
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Hi signal,
maybe I have missed something in teh work I have done.
maybe nobody
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Hi Maybe
You need to post one more time
Then you can send me a personal message with e-mail address in it
The material I have is not in good formats for direct posts.
Signal
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ok
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Hi nobody
I have sent some of my 11 MB of notes to George by e-mail (which is better for miscellaneous attachments+. If you now send me a personal message with your e-mail I can send to you too.
Some are in Open Office format (.odt and .odt) do you have the free Open Office on your computer ?
Signal
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Hi,
Sorry it has been so long but have had a bit going on. Am still doing my research and very much appreciate the help you are giving me as it is a great help. Anything else would be wonderful as I always seem to come against a brick wall. I think I might be researching in the wrong areas :)
Angela
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I have printed out all your responses and have been reading them and they are so fascinating and full of great information.
I am trying to locate any info on the children of James William FIFE and Janet Mary TIPENE.
Their son John is my Husbands Grandfather but cannot find any info on the rest of their children. I believe there is about 6 in total but believed they used nicknames so it is making it impossible for me to track down information.
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Hi there
From what I can determine James and Janet had five children
George Henry Gordon Fife
Cecil 'Frid' Gray Fife
James William Fife
Nancy Bathea Haumai Fife
John 'Jack' Fife
I have one family tree which has six children listed but it seems they separated Nancy's two given names into two separate people, my father can recall all of the people listed as his grandfathers siblings.
Hope this helps
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Hi there,
I found this thread via google. I am a family member, the grandson of one of those in the post above. I'd like to help out where i can.