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Evening All
With the Boss still gallivanting around the place, once more it falls to one of us minions to do her job for her.... ;D ;D ;D
This Hunt will take you from Somerset to South Australia, so something for most everyone.
Good Luck Dee
Selways
Thomas SELWAY married Hannah CHURCHILL on 9th April 1804 in Ston Easton,
Somerset. They are my ggg-grandparents. I have absolutely no information
about Thomas’s parents. However, Hannah CHURCHILL was the daughter of
John CHURCHILL and Esther Parker CHAPPELL, and was baptised in the Cowl
Street Chapel of Shepton Mallet on 21st January 1781. I’ve found baptisms for her
older brother George and a younger sister Ann. I have the marriage for John and
Esther CHURCHILL. Hannah (CHURCHILL) SELWAY died aged 75 in 1856 in Bath
Abbey.
Oral history has it that Thomas and Hannah had thirteen children. However, I
have only been able to track down five of them…..with a big big gap between the
first child I have and the second one.
Thomas SELWAY born 1804/5
Harriet SELWAY born c 1816
Frances Sarah SELWAY baptised 2nd April 1820 St Michael, Bath. (Abode Borough
Walls)
Elizabeth SELWAY c 1821
Frederick SELWAY born 1823 (my gg-grandfather)
I have found the death of a possible child, Henry SELWAY, buried 29th March
1820 at St Michael’s, Bath, abode given as Borough Walls, but no parents given.
I can find no other mention of Thomas senior apart from on Frederick’s marriage
certificate, where he is said to be a farmer. However in 1829 his occupation on
the baptism of daughter Frances had him being an ostler.
In the 1841 Census Harriet, Elizabeth and Frederick are living together at St
Michael Bath.
HO 107/969/5 Folio 12 Pages 15 & 16
Hannah SELWAY is a nurse at Bath General Hospital.
HO 107/969/9 Folio 31 Page 5 (I think)
In 1851 mother Hannah is with the two daughters Elizabeth and Harriet.
GG-grandfather Frederick, wife Sarah and baby daughter Emily had sailed for
South Australia in 1849.
Thomas SELWAY junior was in South Australia by 1854, but I haven’t found
his arrival as yet. I do have his death as well as wife Susan’s, and lots of other
information about him.
What I’d like to know…….
Anything at all about Thomas SELWAY senior…..death, census, parents?
Any more of the children born to Thomas and Hannah, and what happened to
them?
I have a number of confusing snippets of information that may make sense if I
can trace more of the children.
Any trace of Thomas Junior in 1841 or 1851? In South Australia he had a wife
Susan, but I’ve not found a marriage for them anywhere.
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bookmarking - although i am pretty useless when it comes to resources outside of England (&Wales)
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Hi Toni.......it's mostly the England part I'm looking for......the South Australian part I have pretty well under control. :)
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Dee Have you discounted Thomas S Selway born c1803 in Weston Somerset on the 1851 census living in Hammersmith?
He is a Solicitor's managing clerk.
HO107; Piece: 1470; Folio: 390; Page: 23;
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I can't find him on the subscription site which is the only one I have at the moment, JW......I do so miss the other subscription site! ;)
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Do Thomas & Susan have any children with them when they are in Australia?
How old is Susan from the Australian records?
When a death cert is issued in Australia am I right in thinking parents names are given? Do you know Susan’s parents ?
Trying to establish whether they married here in the UK prior to going to Australia.
Jaywit does he have a wife Susan ?
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what was Thomas jnr occupation in Australia ?
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Dee PM on it's way.
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Do Thomas & Susan have any children with them when they are in Australia?
No.
How old is Susan from the Australian records?
Age at death in South Australia in 1883 was given as 67.......meaning born c 1816
When a death cert is issued in Australia am I right in thinking parents names are given? Do you know Susan’s parents ?
Yes...you are right for the other states of Australia.......wonderful detail on certificates......but South Australian certificates are pretty much mirror images of English! So I know absolutely nothing about Susan. :(
Trying to establish whether they married here in the UK prior to going to Australia.
No marriage for them in South Australian records.......
Jaywit does he have a wife Susan ?
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what was Thomas jnr occupation in Australia ?
I'm not entirely sure.....but he tendered for work around the city of Adelaide, such as 'trenching the parklands, repairing the sheep yards, etc, and he rented out property. He also owned a large house at North Adelaide, and when he died, after Susan, he left 2000 pounds to the Bible Society.
His brother Frederick, my gg grandfather, was a builder.
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Dee His wife was Eliz, but she was younger than him.
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Dee PM on it's way.
Thanks JW....... ;)
Wife Elizabeth would need to have died, wouldn't she? Otherwise he deserted her. ???
It might help if I could find his arrival in Australia.....but so far, I've not found it. :-\
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There's a burial in Bath Abbey for a Thomas Selway aged 51 on 3rd Nov 1824. He's about the right age for Thomas snr but I'm not sure whether 'ordinary' people would be buried in Bath Abbey ???
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That's really interesting, Angela.......Bath Abbey has come up somewhere before.....all I have to do is find the mention of it....... :-\
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Correction to make.....I thinkThomas was in South Australia by February, 1853, as I found the attached snippet. As his home that was sold when he died in 1884 was in Lefevre Terrace, and there's only three Selway families in South Australia way back then, I'm sure it is Thomas.
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What do you think of these children I found on Familysearch ?
George Henry Selway s/o Thomas & Hannah bp. 08 March 1838 Welsh Newton Hereforedshire
(if this is your Hannah she would have been 57 if she was christened as a baby!)
John Selway aged 19 married Caroline Snook aged 17 at Weston Somerset on 27 July 1840 his father was Thomas her father was William – this looks promising.
Caroline Selway aged 1 was christened 12 May 1824 at the Holy Trinity Church in Frome the daughter of Thomas.
My Nan told me she was 1 of 13 children it turned out there was 7 but I agree there is a big gap between the first child you have found and the second, perhaps some of the babies were stillborn ?
What is the last appearance of Thomas senior ? is he given as deceased on Fredericks marriage ? who were the witnesses at Fredericks marriage are they relations ?
An Elizabeth Selway was married 31 May 1897 to Edward Colston Hamilton at Bedminster her father is given as Thomas although no ages are given. As thisis 1897 and your Elizabeth was born circa 1821 I am dubious as to whether this Elizabeth is yours, what else do you know about your Elizabeth?
On 27 March 1897 also at Bedminster a Thomas James Selway was married to a Lavinia Jane Selway widow her father was William Croker. again he was the son of Thomas. I don’t think these do belong to you.
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From Google books:
Hunt & Co's Directory & Court Guide for the Cities of Bath,Bristol & Wells
Selway, Frederick carpenter & builder, 6 Green St
Selway,Harriett & Elizabeth.milliners as above
Selway,Richard,stonemason,Broadquay pr (premises?)15 St.Marks Place,Lyncombe
Selway,Thomas,baker,27 Walcot Street
I can't see a date for this * but these could be the children of Thomas & Hannah
* It's 1848 :)
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Just throwing a little bit more of a spanner in the works... have you discounted the Thomas Selway, farmer, living with Ann his wife in Clutton in the 1841? Ref HO107/ 938 Folio 6/29 page 2 ...
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I'll be back in a minute to answer your questions...... ;D
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JOhn Selway & wife Caroline in 1861
RG9; 343; 58; 26;
John Selway 42 b. Bath
Caroline Selway 40 b. Bath
Caroline Selway 24 dau. B St Giles
Mary Selway 12 dau b. Lambeth
Daniel Murray 27 lodger
Newington
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From Google books:
Selway,Thomas,baker,27 Walcot Street
I don't think this can be your Thomas as I've just seen this death announcement from The Bristol Mercury & Daily Post 25 Nov 1893
"Nov 20th,Maria,relict of the late Thomas Selway of Walcot Street,Bath aged 83"
Unless that's opening a can of worms :-\
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What is the last appearance of Thomas senior ? is he given as deceased on Fredericks marriage ? who were the witnesses at Fredericks marriage are they relations ?
Thomas is just given as a Farmer on Frederick's marriage certificate. There's no mention of him being deceased.
Frederick married Sarah WATTS 6th Feb 1847 in the parish church at Bathwick. Witnesses were John WATTS, brother of Sarah, and Elizabeth SELWAY, sister of Frederick.
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From Google books:
Hunt & Co's Directory & Court Guide for the Cities of Bath,Bristol & Wells
Selway, Frederick carpenter & builder, 6 Green St
Selway,Harriett & Elizabeth.milliners as above
Selway,Richard,stonemason,Broadquay pr (premises?)15 St.Marks Place,Lyncombe
Selway,Thomas,baker,27 Walcot Street
I can't see a date for this * but these could be the children of Thomas & Hannah
* It's 1848 :)
Well, these are mine for sure. :D
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Just throwing a little bit more of a spanner in the works... have you discounted the Thomas Selway, farmer, living with Ann his wife in Clutton in the 1841? Ref HO107/ 938 Folio 6/29 page 2 ...
I think I spotted them on FindMyPast.....I'll check in a moment. :)
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I've saved the 1841 image for Thomas and Ann SELWAY...... :)
Thomas aged 30 being with them.....age could have been rounded down, couldn't it......
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If he was under 35, the age would definitely have been rounded down. There's a Henry next door but one too....
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John Selway aged 19 married Caroline Snook aged 17 at Weston Somerset on 27 July 1840 his father was Thomas her father was William – this looks promising.
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Well worth saving to my files, Toni, together with the Census info, for further investigation. :D
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Got to work now, Dee. Back later :)
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If he was under 35, the age would definitely have been rounded down. There's a Henry next door but one too....
Ahghh....my brain has just clicked over.....Thomas and Ann at Clutton can't be the right couple.....in 1841 I have found Hannah SELWAY as a nurse at the Bath General Hospital.
She's also listed as a nurse in 1851. :-\
Many thanks Angela..... :D
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JOhn Selway & wife Caroline in 1861
RG9; 343; 58; 26;
John Selway 42 b. Bath
Caroline Selway 40 b. Bath
Caroline Selway 24 dau. B St Giles
Mary Selway 12 dau b. Lambeth
Daniel Murray 27 lodger
Newington
I like John more by the minute. I see his occupation was given as bricklayer. :)
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Re large families and possible "gaps" with likely elusive bps to find....
My oral history gave me that a particular rellie was one of 17 children. And so he was, but also so he was not ! ...
It turned out that there were 17 children all raised together as though they were siblings (17 + some infant deaths). In fact many were siblings and of course many were simply double first cousins ....
Fred and Jack were brothers with each other (they had the same parents ... Tom and Eliza)
Hannah and Mary were sisters with each other (they had the same parents .... Bob and Sarah)
Tom and Eliza's farm was next to Bob and Sarah's farm. They were in a remote outback location in NSW, Australia, no neighbours for miles and miles. These two couples had emigrated from Somerset, arriving NSW 1840's...
So eventually the boys grew up, so too the girls. Then Fred married Hannah and Jack married Mary
Fred and Hannah lived in one wing of a farmhouse and Jack and Mary lived in the other wing of that same farmhouse, and the farmhouse occupied land across both "borders" of their parents properties and all these kids had only FOUR grandparents between them. Between those two couples there were eventually 17 children all under the one roof. This was NSW in the mid to late 19thC.
Is it possible that a similar circumstance was happening in Dee's tree back in the early 19thC
Sorry if I am sidetracking you all....
Cheers, JM
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not sidetracking i totally agree because my Nans house was too full so she lived with her grandparents and i suspect there were many children in that household
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If he was under 35, the age would definitely have been rounded down. There's a Henry next door but one too....
Ahghh....my brain has just clicked over.....Thomas and Ann at Clutton can't be the right couple.....in 1841 I have found Hannah SELWAY as a nurse at the Bath General Hospital.
She's also listed as a nurse in 1851. :-\
Many thanks Angela..... :D
je ne comprends pas
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I can't find JOhn & Caroline earlier
modified*
i mean i can't find John pre marriage or 1841-1861
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Caroline Selway aged 1 was christened 12 May 1824 at the Holy Trinity Church in Frome the daughter of Thomas.
aplogies this is a burial 12 MAy 1824 Holy Trinity Caroline aged 1 the duaghetr of Thomas
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If he was under 35, the age would definitely have been rounded down. There's a Henry next door but one too....
Ahghh....my brain has just clicked over.....Thomas and Ann at Clutton can't be the right couple.....in 1841 I have found Hannah SELWAY as a nurse at the Bath General Hospital.
She's also listed as a nurse in 1851. :-\
Many thanks Angela..... :D
je ne comprends pas
Sorry Toni......Angela posted Thomas Selway, Farmer and wife Ann plus 30 year old son Thomas at Clutton in 1841.
But Hannah, Thomas's wife, was at the Bath General Hospital in 1841. So that rules the Clutton ones out.
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If he was under 35, the age would definitely have been rounded down. There's a Henry next door but one too....
Ahghh....my brain has just clicked over.....Thomas and Ann at Clutton can't be the right couple.....in 1841 I have found Hannah SELWAY as a nurse at the Bath General Hospital.
She's also listed as a nurse in 1851. :-\
Many thanks Angela..... :D
je ne comprends pas
Sorry Toni......Angela posted Thomas Selway, Farmer and wife Ann plus 30 year old son Thomas at Clutton in 1841.
But Hannah, Thomas's wife, was at the Bath General Hospital in 1841. So that rules the Clutton ones out.
i thought Angela meant Thomas and Susan
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this is yet another maybe for child of Thomas & Hannah
Caroline Patience Bailey Salway [sic] married John Brown on 1st AUgust 1858
at St Philip and Jacob Bristol,
her father was Thomas, shewas given as aged 22 (John was aged 23)
although the Burial at Bath Abbey looks promising as Hannah was bruied there
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Can anyone find anything for an Enoch SELWAY pre 1841?
I have Frederick. carpenter and builder, and Thomas, who tendered for various types of work.
Angelfish and Toni have found a John, who was a bricklayer/stone mason.
And I have found an Enoch SELWAY who was a carpenter/ building surveyer, building agent before he vanished after 1871. The interesting thing with Enoch is that some of his children have names that were used by Frederick for his children. Coincidence? Possibly......
Toni, The Thomas and Ann in Clutton were way too old to be Thomas and Susan who came to South Australia.
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although the Burial at Bath Abbey looks promising as Hannah was bruied there
Of course.....that's why Bath Abbey rang a bell.....so it does seem likely that they both Thomas and Hannah were buried there.
I don't usually get death certificates, but maybe I should get Hannah's..... ???
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this is the only marriage ic ould find pre childrens births for Enoch maybe the marriage cert might tell you the fathers name or maybe the marriage is online as it was at Lambeth
Marriages Jun 1847 Lambeth 4 371
Awcock George
Bailey Charles
Bailey Charles James
KIRBY Elizabeth
Parker James
Sanger Maria
Selway Enoch
Upton Anne
Yeats Letitia Anne
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Good find, Toni.... :D
Father's name would be handy. I'll follow that up, but it might have to be tomorrow. It's getting late for me here, so I'll have to call it a day soon. :-\
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I couldn't see the 1847 marriage but there was one in 1843 in Marylebone. Enoch Selway,batchelor of full age,a carpenter,son of William Selway,a builder married Marian Bradbrook,spinster,full age,daughter of Wm.Bradbrook, a servant. All signed,witnesses were Wm selway & Wm Bradbrook
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Spot on, Angelfish. And I've just found a baptism for an Enoch SELWAY in 1819 (about the right time) in Chew Magna, and his parents were William and Martha. William was a carpenter.
And in 1851 Enoch's wife was Ann but he had a 7 year old daughter Marian. :D
Think we can discard Enoch. :(
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was just going to post that marriage Angelfish
never mind
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There's a burial in Bath Abbey for a Thomas Selway aged 51 on 3rd Nov 1824. He's about the right age for Thomas snr but I'm not sure whether 'ordinary' people would be buried in Bath Abbey ???
I've spent a little time hunting around today, and found this site......
http://www.bathabbey.org/history/abbey-archives/family-history
Do you think it would be worth me emailing them?
Dee :)
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Yes, Yes, Yes, I do
Afterall that website shows they have "Burial order books (1813-1995)"
" Here at Bath Abbey, our archives hold many records which can be useful sources for family history research, not to mention the extensive collection of memorials in the Abbey itself. In addition to local residents, we regularly receive visitors from all across the country and even as far away as Australia and Canada eager to find out more about a particular member of their family tree. We are always happy to help, but simply ask that if you are looking for a particular document or are undertaking a bigger piece of research, to please get in touch with us first in order to avoid any disappointment"
Fingers crossed
JM
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Would you like me to go and take a look at them?
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Oh Glen.....you have such a busy life.......I hesitate to ask....... :-\
Dee :)
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So how old was Thomas snr on the burial at Bath Abbey this might give us a clue to where to start looking for his birth or at least the year!
Thomas jnr and Susan could have married pre July 1837 so nothing in the GRO index.
Could he [Thomas] have been a convict ? I was wondering when the shipping index you are looking at begins. If he was born 1804ish and in Australia by 1853.
We seem to have found only 1 other child –John who married Caroline Snook
And maybe also the child Caroline who was buried at the age of 1 so that’s 2 more children!
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Toni, the Thomas SELWAY buried in 1824 in Bath Abbey was aged 51......which compares favourable with Hannah's age....she was baptised in January 1781.
If Thomas was a convict, he'd have been one of the very few convicts who ended up in South Australia.....and that would have had to happen after he was freed. South Australia didn't have convicts shipped here. I'll check the Convict indexes, but I'm very doubtful.
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There's good access online for Convict records via a commercial website with an Australian UK package, but Britain did not transport convicts to Sth Australia. So, if he was transported under a sentence, then he would have landed in what was then New South Wales or Van Diemen's Land.
Cheers, JM ;) ;)
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Oh....meant to say.....I found Thomas junior arriving in Adelaide on board the "Margaret Brock" in June 1852 today......he'd embarked in Melbourne, Victoria though. I checked the Victorian passenger lists but he isn't listed as arriving there. However, I know that the early passenger lists are incomplete.
Dee :)
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Some of those early Vic shipping records are at NSW SRO, especially the ones pre separation of Vic from NSW, DIGITISED IMAGES available online! http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/ but you need the name of the ship ::) to take up the "Try it now" option. The alternative option is the Keyword search button, and of course that index is based on transcriber's reading the handwritten lists, and of course, not all passenger lists are extant.
My fingers are crossed
Cheers, JM
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From the way I read the newspaper snippet, JM, the "Margaret Brock" was doing coastal trips between Melbourne and Adelaide, in which case I have no idea of the ship he may have arrived on from England. :-\
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No Thomas SELWAY, convict.......
But there's a George, a Charles and a Robert......I shall have a peep at them...... ;)
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i am unsure about convicts glad you guys knew ;)
Thomas arrived in 1853 so in thoery in 1841 he should be here with/without Susan
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Glencare has very kindly emailed me some SELWAY BMD parish record transcriptions for various parishes in the Bath area. (Thanks, Glen! :) )
There are baptisms for some of the children of John SELWAY and Caroline.
ST. SWITHINS,WALCOT PARISH
Elizabeth Selway
d/o John (labourer of Milk Street ) & Caroline
May 1831
John Selway
s/o John (plumber, painter, plasterer of Kingsbury Street) & Caroline
March 1835
John Selway
s/o John & Hannah
Jan 1810 (b 18-1-1809)
ST. JAMES’ PARISH
William Selway
s/o John (a plumber, painter, plasterer of 7, Back Street) & Caroline
22 Nov 1840
There's this marriage at St James as well .....
William Selway, bachelor, labourer of Seldens Court
s/o Thomas Selway, labourer
Louisa Haynton, spinster of Seldens Court
d/o Thomas Haynton, labourer
witnesses John Burnell, Sarah Burnell
8-9-1840
Wonder if we can find out any more about William?
Dee :)
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so is / are John & caroline not yours then ???
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didnt his marriage to Caroline say s/o Thomas ?
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maybe this is William & Louisa in 1851
'Colliers Bolton'
William Selway 48 day labourer b. Clutton
Sarah Louisa Selway 35 Bedminster
John Selway 9 Bath
Elizabeth Ann Selway 7 scholar b. Faringdon Gurnsey
James Selway 6 scholar b. do.
Henry Selway 2 b. do.
Sarah Louisa Selway 5 MO b. do.
: HO107; 1939; 249; : 35
she is using the name Sarah Louisa so maybe this is them in 1841 ?
Lucy Ponton 65 nurse Y
William Selway 35 lab. Y
Sarah Selway 25 Y
: HO107; 969; : 4; 8; 11;
(Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: The Abbey )
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Toni, it seems that both John and William may have been sons of my Thomas. Only problem is that there was at least one more Thomas SELWAY having children in the area around the same time. There was a Thomas and Emma for sure. :-\
I need to find some baptisms for more children for Thomas and Hannah, including a John and a William, don't I?
Yes, that could be William and Louisa in 1841 and 51...... :)
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the same family in 1861 are here
William Selway 59
Sarah Selway 46
Emily Selway 20
Ann Selway 18
James Selway 16
Henry Selway 12
Louisa Selway 10
Ellen Selway 7
Mary A Selway 5
: RG9; 1691; 33; 15
but now sowing up on the census is a William Selway b. 1827 Timsbury with wife Lousia (in 1840 he would be 13)
William Selway 34
Louisa Selway 36
William Selway 6
Sarah Selway 3
Sarah Sims 74 lodger b. clutton
RG9; 1679; 97; 23;
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Don't think they'd let him get married at 13! ;D ;D ;D
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There's a Thomas SELWAY and wife Martha having children around the same time as Thomas and Hannah too. They didn't want to make this hunt easy, did they? :-\
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Dee, If they had wanted it to be easy, you would have solved it eons ago ! ;D
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;D ;D ;D
And I wouldn't have needed a Scavenger Hunt!
Glencare is very kindly going to visit Bath Abbey for me! Rootschatters are just the best people!
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Dee i just wanted you to be awarre there was another William & Louisa who actaully called herself Lousia instead of Sarah! around hopefully they didnt marry at 13!
i wonder what the concentration of Selways in Somerset was at that time maybe Thomas and Martha are cousins to Thomas and Hannah
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So how do we find Thomas snr bp.?
Do we have any records that say where he was possibly born ?
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Not a thing, Toni, for Thomas senior. All I know is the he married in Ston Easton, and Hannah Churchill was from Shepton Mallet.
Glencare has emailed me to say that there are quite a lot of papers in the archives for Ston Easton that mention the name SELWAY, but Ston Easton PRs are non existant pre 1813. :'( :'(
Dee :)
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hmm but how did you find the marriage then with not PR's ?
were there any witnesses to the marriage are they both described as OTP?
(i know this means 21 days pre marriage)
if he was a labourer it would be unlikely he owned peropety but have you consulted the land tax records a complete set survives for 1798
i wonder also if he met the requiremnts to be able to vote this is another avenue you could explore.
was Hannah of Shepton Mallet at time of marriage or just from the census ?
Shepton Mallet may be worth looking at for bp. of her children sometimes they did return to the brides home parish.
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Names Thomas SELWAY and Hannah CHURCHILL were in the family documents, but not the marriage. I found the marriage on FamilyHistoryOnline.
"Groom Thos. Selway status – of –, – Bride Hannah Churchill status – of –, – married on 09 Apr 1804 at parish Stone Easton by – Witnesses – Notes –"
I paid.....got the date, the names, the place, and nothing else except the source.....
"Record source: Somerset Marriages (post-1754)
Data provider: Somerset & Dorset Family History Society"
Yes, there are lots of records for Hannah and her family in Shepton Mallet. I can't find any baptisms for her children there though. Hopwever there are Selways in Shepton Mallet who could well be related.
Son Frederick used the name Churchill for some of his children.
Dee :)
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perhaps its a case of getting the Selway nformation for SOmerste and grouping them into families obviosuly you will have some strays but you may be in a better positon than when you started
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Might have to resort to trying that, Toni..... :-\
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Ummm.... Somerset ....
I have downloaded pages and pages of transcriptions (made this century) for my Baltonsborough, Somerset forebears various spreadsheets of transcriptions of PRs, including marriages from 1740. I realise Baltonsborough is not Stone Easton, but if someone has transcribed Baltonsborough (St Dunstan) then perhaps there's already transcriptions for Stone Easton !
In the morrow, I will have good look for the name of the transcriber, and also for any indications of Stone Easton PRs being transcribed...
Cheers, JM
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Clutching at straws if the PRs have been destroyed.
This is a lot later but at least a Selway link with Ston Easton.
From Somerset OPC
, Downside
Page: Not available
Entry: Not available
1st Partner: Name: STOCK, Caleb
Husband's Abode: otp
Husband's Condition: Batchelor
2nd Partner: Name: SELWAY, Mary Elizabeth
Wife's Abode: Ston Easton?
Wife's Condition: Spinster
1st Reading: 23 Jan 1870 Not available
2nd Reading: 30 Jan 1870 Not available
3rd Reading: 06 Feb 1870 Not available
Notes: Banns
Source: Parish Registers
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http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/ian.sage/PR/pr_index_pt.html
"Ston Easton - no on-line transcriptions known" :'( :'(
versus
Baltonsborough (my line)
Glaston Twelve Hides Hundred Group (requires free registration) ..."
Oh Dee, (http://ny-image0.etsy.com/il_170x135.259598784.jpg) it just is not fair.
Cheers, JM
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Oh well, JM.......one just has to keep on keeping on, you know. You never know when something might suddenly crop up......like it did with my Bauers and my Buttons.
I'm about to do some more concentrated census searching and sorting. ;) :D
Dee
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From what I understand, the early parish registers for Ston Easton were stolen - not sure when - but some records were transcribed onto the SDFH index before that event. It all sounds a bit patchy to say the least, but if they were stolen, perhaps they just MIGHT turn up again ::)
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if you cant find him elsewhere i'd say that he most probably came from there then!
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I've just been going through some of my documents and found an entry in Pigots Directory of 1822 for a Thomas Selway of 9, Holloway, Bath., a baker. I have a horrible feeling we've already found and discarded this one :'(
Robson's directory of 1839 has 2 Selways - Harriet a milliner and R Selway a mason.
In the 1822, 1839 and 1842 directories, these are the only Selways in the whole of Somerset ::) I would have thought that, if Thomas snr was really a farmer, he would have been listed. Sorry Dee :'(
Red Post: I was wondering that, toni* ;D
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maybe he was an ag lab as opposed to a farmer
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.... with delusions of grandeur...... ;D
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Just found I had another directory - Pigots 1830. There's a second Thomas Selway in there, also in Bath, but he's a commissioner for oaths... 34 Kingsmead St Bath. Unlikely I would think?
Added:
Having checked back again through the thread and realised that Harriet is significant, I thought I'd better list out the trades directories entries for her in more detail ::)
Robson 1839 - Bath - Selway, Harriett milliner and straw hat maker - 18 Green Street
She also appears at that address under the 'Milliners and dressmakers' heading and also, (spelled Harriette) under 'Straw Hat Makers'.
Pigot's 1842 - Bath - Selway, Harriet & Eliza, milliners, 18 Green Street Interesting that they are also in the pages given to milliners, but they aren't listed under the Straw Hat Makers section.
Post Office 1852 - Bath - Selway, Misses H & E, dressmakers, 17 Broad St
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maybe he was an ag lab as opposed to a farmer
Oh, I expect he was, Toni! ;D
He was an Ostler on the baptism record in Bath for one of the girls. ;)
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Angela, that's very annoying about the PRs.....bad enough when they're lost through lack of care, or water damage, but someone stealing them is so mean! >:( >:(
Thanks very much for the Directory records with addresses for Harriet SELWAY and Elizabeth. That's much appreciated. The two sisters are still together in 1861 at Orange Grove in the Abbey District. After that, I've lost track of both of them. I have found a couple of possibles for Harriet, but nothing for Elizabeth.
Dee :)
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For those of you who helped on this thread and may like to know the latest....
There's a burial in Bath Abbey for a Thomas Selway aged 51 on 3rd Nov 1824. He's about the right age for Thomas snr but I'm not sure whether 'ordinary' people would be buried in Bath Abbey ???
After all this time I have finally proved he is my ggg-grandfather!
I now have a Poor Relief Settlement Examination statement made by Hannah, his wife, on 17th November 1824 and in it she stated "That about 21 years since she was lawfully married by Publication of Banns in the Parish Church of Ston Easton in the County of aforesaid to THOMAS SELWAY who died about a fortnight since".
All that searching we did for missing children is explained in her statement too!
She said that "she has 4 Children living namely THOMAS aged 18, HARRIET aged 11, ELIZABETH aged 4 and FREDERICK aged 2 years".
So any other children must have died.
There was at least one other child, as there are now some PRs transcribed on Free Reg, and one of which is for the baptism of son Thomas in 1806 and another for a son named Frederic in 1809......in Ston Easton. As my Frederick was born in 1823, the first son named Frederic must have died.
I also found the baptism of Thomas senior in Emborough in 1774 and his parents names were.....wait for it.....Thomas ::) and Ann. Emborough was also mentioned in Hannah's depostion .
Patience is a virtue.....that's for sure. ;D
Dee :)