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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: SusanMC1 on Sunday 11 September 11 05:49 BST (UK)
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Hi: Searching for LOWE, John, born:20 Feb 1824, parents James Lowe and Anne Clarke in Warrington. D. 7 Nov 1913 in Canada. John Lowe developed the very large Lowe Farm in Manitoba, Canada which still bears his name. I would like to discover if there were siblings and the names of the grandparents, if possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Susan
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Hi Susan
Found a few siblings for you of John.
Mary Lowe born 22nd July 1822 bapt 28th May 1824 parents James and Ann
John Lowe 20th Feb 1824 17th May 1824 " "
James Lowe 2nd Mar 1826 18th Apr 1828 " "
Ann Clarke Eaton Lowe
bonr 1828 18th Ap 1828 " "
All christened at Great Budworth, Cheshire, no mention of Warrington
Looks like they christened the children two at a time.
From the names of Ann looks like they could be family names so
will have a look for you and hopefully will find the Grandparents on
both sides.
Hope this helps
regards Sandymc
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Hiya Susan ...
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
marriage 10th february 1820 at St Elphins,Warrington ,Lancashire
James Lowe of Grappenhall
Ann Clarke of this parish
witnesses William Whatmough / Mary Pickering
married by Jonathan Topping Curate
both full age so born before 1799....
I can only find one Anne Clarke babtised in St Elphins between 1785 and 1805
Ann Clarke 13th oct 1793 St Elphins -parents James Clarke and Mary ...occ a weaver ..
so ...James Lowe was from Grappenhall which is a village near Warrington ...
if John was born in Warrington in 1824 I would have thought his babtism would have been in St Elphins - the church his parents married in and obviously Anne Clarkes family church....so I would think the births and babtisms Sandymc are correct- as it doesn`t look to me that John was born in Warrinton.....
allan
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Only 2 James Lowe babtised between 1795-1805 in St Elphins
James Low babtised 20th May 1798 ...parents George and Sally
James Low babtised 27th May 1798 ...parents Matthew and Mary
so could the first born Mary Lowe b 22nd july 1822 have been named after her grandmother Mary Clarke or Mary Low ?
all supposition, but I would keep a note of the Matthew and Mary possible for James Lowes parents for future reference
allan
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Hi again,
Still looking for family but just had a look at the Churches.
The one for Grappenhall is called St Wilfreds. It is in the
Parish of Grappenhall but also in the Deanery of Great Budworth.
So thats a good connection for the information already found.
regards
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Hi
Found another sibling.
Thomas Lowe chris Great Budworth in 1830 parents James and Ann.
Because of this I did look for a Grandparent called Thomas and found
Thomas Low birth abt 1774 c 23rd Jan 1774
parent Thomas Low at Grappenhall, Cheshire.
This could be James Father and Grandad???
Thomas has a sister called Margaret born 1775 c 19th March at Grappenhall
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Hi Garstonite
That looks good, the marriage you found, well done!
Tinam
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Hi All Respondents: Thank you all so much for the information you have discovered and kindly posted for me. I am so grateful and amazed at what you have found. The reason I am searching down this path is that during my search for my husband's family, I found their Western Land Grant for farmland in Manitoba, Canada. I took the legal description and converted it to survey maps and discovered that it was in the very fertile Red River Valley in a region known as "Lowe Farm". My husband's grandmother's maiden name was "Lowe". The thought was that perhaps John Lowe who developed this massive farm could possibly be related to Jessie Thomasine Lowe and when she decided to immigrate to Canada, she, naturally, gravitated to a relative who, in turn, granted her this prime section of farm land. John Lowe was employed as a Government Agent at one time in his life, I haven't checked on the dates which could correspond to the Land Grant and his position at the time. The co-incidence of her name and his being the same has been too great to pass up but I haven't made the family connection yet. Thanks to everyone so far. Susan
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Hi Susan
There could be a connection but need a little more information.
Do you know when the John Lowe went to Canada, what year.
Also, Jessie, is she now passed away otherwise we cant really search
for details on her. If she is passed then do you know what her year of
birth was and even where she was born and what her parents were called?
Little snippets like that then someone might be able to find the connection.
regards Sandymc
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Hi
Did find this Jessie Thomasine Lowe on my travels, dont know
if it is yours?
Jessie Thomasine Lowe christened 31st August 1862 at Leverton, Lincoln
parents are Henry and Sarah
regards
Sandymc
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Hi Sandy: Yes, that must be her - parent's name are correct and birth year as well. I had the location as Old Leake, Boston, Lincolnshire rather than Leverton, though. Still trying to find a connection between Jessie's family and John Lowe's family as I find it just too coincidental that Jessie and her husband, Herbert Cunningham, ended up with a Western Land grant in Manitoba in the "Lowe Farm" area. Thanks for your information. Susan
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Hi again
Leverton is 2 miles from Old Leake and they are both in the registration district of Boston. She may have been born in Old Leake but it said she was christened in Leverton. Maybe Henry or Sarahs family lived there.
The church at Leverton is called St Helena.
Might have to find out if Henry had anything to do with John as maybe thats whey Jessie was on Lowe land in Canada.
Will see if I can find anything that connects, could be hard though lol.
regards Sandymc
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Hi Sandy: It looks like I missed one of your messages; you asked about Jessie's death and her parents. This is what I have found: Jessie died on Salt Spring Island, B.C. 23 Feb 1932, her parent's were Henry born 1825 or 26 in Sleaford, Derbyshire, no death date for him. His parents were Thomas Lowe, b: 28 Sep 1783 d: 12 Nov 1854 Sleaford and his mother Mary Hannah b: 1793, Pornthorn. I have Henry's gg grandparents as Francis Lowe 1745 and Ann Leek, no details. Jessie's mother: Sarah Strapps, b: 1832, Sleaford, no death date for her or location and no parents for Sarah. My thoughts were if John and Jessie were cousins or he was, perhaps, an uncle. If he immigrated to Canada and amassed a huge track of prime farmland and encouraged Jessie and James Cunningham to immigrate and settle in the same region as well. Thanks for your assistance and thoughts to date. Regards, Susan
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Hi Susan
I thought I had posted the following but maybe it has not gone through. I found this on my travels this morning.
Henry Lower think it should be Lowe married Sarah Strapps at Sleaford
2nd March 1859. Henry is 32 and Sarah is 28.
Henrys Dad was Thomas and Sarahs was Richard Strapps.
This means that Henry was born in about 1827.
I did find a Cheshire Henry Lowe born about 1827 who marries in 1847
so wonder if he was widowed, and moved to Lincolnshire to remarry
Sarah. Only guessing here but might be worth having a look at.
Must admit I have never heard of Strapps alot before but there seems
to be quite a few around the Lincolnshire area.
Living in Nottinghamshire and not far from either Lincolnshire or Derbyshire I can assure you that Sleaford is in Lincolnshire and not in Derbyshire as you mentioned as I have been through it many times on the way to the seaside at Skegness, Lincolnshire. Unfortunately, we cant rely on everything transcribed with the lack of knowledge of readfing and writing in those days. The thick accents of people who couldnt write or spell. Makes it very mixed up for us educated people. Dont think they imagined that their future relatives would be searching for them two hundred years later lol.
Cant seem to find the Lowe connection unless they heard of it from distant relatives or its just a coincidence??
regards Sandymc
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HI, Jessie Thomasine was my grandfathers sister. He was Henry Harvey Lowe b. 1866 old Leake Lincolnshire England, son of Henry and sarah. She had a sister Annie Mary who married Spencer Percival, for a short time lived in Manatoba and in 1902 established a home on Pender Island where she lived until her death in 1934. Henry, my grandfather did put down a deposit on a large tract of land in Manatoba but could not raise the entire sum so it was forfeit. He came to Australia in 1901 with his wife Edith nee Fox and 5yr, old daughter Gladys. After that the couple had two more daughters Doris and Edyth. My father Thomas Harvey b. 1909 .
I have been trying to trace Jessie Thomasine for a long time and only recently discovered she had married Herbert Cunningham and also went to Canada. Would love to know more about her life etc. and my relatives in Canada. Would you have a picture of her? Keep contact please. Yours Judith.
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Hi there
Thats lovely Judith you finding Susan on here.
You have to make 3 posts before you can do private mails to each other so another two and you will be able to chat with one another.
I was busy yesterday but did find the siblings so here is info I found
Annie Mary Lowe christened 25/11/1860
Jessie Thomasine 31/8/1862
Henry Harvey 11/11/1866
Thomas Richard 3/9/1870
Catherine Ellen 2/4/1875
parents Henry and Sarah
Hope you find your connection now you have found some relatives.
Think you are cousins two or three times removed? Cant always remember
it correctly.
regards and good hunting
Sandymc
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Hi there, thank you for getting back to me. Regarding John Lowe of Warrington, he is not of our direct line but maybe a distant cousin. Francis Lowe married Ann Leek in 1772 they had 3 daughters
1. thomiasin Lowe (1772 Cheadle Stafford England.2. Elizabeth Lowe 1774(same place) 3. Ann Lowe 1776(same)and one son Thomas Lowe1783 also Cheadle Stafford England.
Thomas married twice. First wife Mary Armshaw 1802 had a son Francis Armshaw Lowe 1803 Cheadle. Second wife Mary Ann Harvey 1806. Thomas and Mary had 11 sons and one daughter. I have their information.Henry was the ninth child born 18th Sept.1825 Norbury and Roston Derby England.There were two sons called John the first born1809 but died 1816. The second John was the last child born 1830 in Quarrington Lincolnshire. He became an eminent doctor who treated the prince of Wales when he was laid low with typhoid fever.
Henry married Sarah Strapps in 1869 and became a farmer in Boston, lived at Moat House in old Leake ( see 1881 british census). Regards Judith.
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Hello Sandy and Judith: Thank you so very much for the additional information you have so kindly taken the time to find and pass along to me. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Discovering the history is an extremely interesting journey, isn't it? I had kept my research focused on the immediate family up until I realized that Jessie's and James C.'s immigration to Canada may have had a family connection to John Lowe. If anyone sees a possible breakthrough between these two families that would lead to a positive connection, I would be thrilled. Until then, I will try and work my way through the twigs and branches. Thank you again, for your help and information. Regards, Susan
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Hello Susan, yes it is interesting that jessie, annie and henry all had association with Manatoba. The tract of land that Henry mortaged was described "parcel or tract of land being in Manatoba north east quarter of section 4, in township 4, and range 16 west of the principal meridian". I dont know if this corresponds with Lowe Farm that you are interested in but if it does it may be a clue.. I know that Henry lost this in 1893, I dont know why, it was a sad year for the family as both his parents Henry and Sarah died that year within months of each other.
My interest in this was that my own brother Henry Brian had a passion for the family history and had done research in the hope of publishing a family chronicle. We lost him in 2002 to cardiac arrest and since then the project has been dormant. Lately I have tried to tie up some loose ends hence the search for Jessie Thomasine whom we had lost trace of after the 1881 census. Your husband is my 2nd cousin. If you know of anyone in the family over there that would have further information about Jessie I would appreciate the contact details. Bye for now, Judith
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Hello Judith: Your message was fascinating and I would like to correspond with you as I have a bit of information that I would like to share with you. I was wondering if we could message privately, as this format isn't large enough at times. hope to hear from you soon. Regards, Susan
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Hello Susan, thank you. Yes I will email, Regards Judith.
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Hello again Susan,
I have tried twice to contact you privately first through my own email and then through this site. Both times the message would not go through. As I am new to this site I do not know what the problem is. I will try again later. Am happy to share any further family info. with you should you need it. Judith
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Hi Judith: The best way to contact me is using the email address I gave and by going through your own email system. You would leave this site completely and we could correspond off this site. Hope to hear from you soon. Susan
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Hi Susan
Lovely to see you are contacting Judith but you need to take your e mail address off the site. We are not allowed to put them on as they receive spam, and other things. You can contact her on here by private email.
Otherwise the moderator will take it off.
regards Sandymc
p.s. Glad to see you have found someone who is related from this site.
well done.
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Hi Sandy: Thank you for the message. I was hesitant in putting it on the site and I hope the moderator will remove it for me. Thanks again. Susan
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Hello Everyone!
I am a new member of rootschat.com and delighted to find Strapps cousins on the website. My 2xgreat-grandfather was Richard Strapps, the father of Sarah Strapps, who was born in 1839. Richard married Sarah Burnett about 1829, and they had two daughters, Sarah, bap Aug 29, 1831, and Annie, bap Feb 15, 1834. Both of them were baptized at Sleaford, Lincolnshire. I have a great deal of information about the Strapps family in Lincolnshire and would be pleased to share it.
I would also like to know more about the children of Henry Lowe and Sarah Strapps, who immigrated to Manitoba and British Columbia. I look forward to hearing from possible cousins.
Thank you.
Sylvia Strapps-Coon
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Hi Susan, I am very pleased to have your quick reply. However, I also have trouble navigating this board, so I pressed the Reply button on different message from you, not the one you sent me yesterday. What do you need to know specifically about the earlier Strapps. I have traced the family back to Thomas and Mary in Kyme, Lincs. Their first child was Rose, bap in 1593.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best Regards,
Sylvia
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Hi Canadian Lady
As mentioned previously you need to do 3 post before anyone can contact you on the Private e mails on here and we are not allowed to put the real e mail address of ourselves or anyone on
here due to spam or na-sty people who could use your address for devious means.
Try another post and you should be able to contact whoever on here. Good luck.
Its lovely for someone like me who have been on this site for years to see people finding
their relatives, that's what it is all about. Congratulations!!!!!