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Title: died in World War One?
Post by: humanracer on Saturday 10 September 11 21:30 BST (UK)
Hi

My Great Grandfather Robert Lumsden Bell (middle name used in birth cert but not listed in marriage cert) was born in 1891 and married Elizabeth Grandison in 1910, at the age of 19. Elizabeth remarried in 1917. Is it safe to assume Robert died in the war? I did a search for casualties and service returns but there are way too many people with the name Robert Bell. Just goes to show how devastating the war was.

Any ideas?



Robert
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: emmsthheight on Saturday 10 September 11 21:59 BST (UK)
Hi Robert

Welcome to Rootschat!  :)


You'll get loads of help here - I have!

It's a toughie, isn't it!

You can't assume anything, but it looks very likely!

Of course there was always the influenza outbreak too.

You really need some extra information.

Have you looked at the extra information when you click on the name on CWGC?

Have you looked at local newspapers?  If the second marriage is mentioned, are there any clues?  Are there any regimennts the family were attached to so you could narrow it down?

Of course some couples simply got separated by the war, or one assumed the other wasn't coming back.  I know of a couple.  Veryy sad!

Just a few ideas.

Best wishes

Emms
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: daval57 on Saturday 10 September 11 22:07 BST (UK)
On ScotlandsPeople, there is the death of a Robert L Bell in 1956 who was born 1891 (+/-1 year).
Between 1910 and 1917 there are only 8 Robert Bell deaths.
You'd probably be able to narrow that down by area.

What is Elizabeth's marital status on her 2nd marriage record.  Should show widow / divorcee.

Dave
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: humanracer on Saturday 10 September 11 22:27 BST (UK)
Good call on checking the remarriage cert. It does say "widow" and the name on the marriage cert is her previous married name of "Bell" rather than the maiden name (though she is indexed under her maiden name). Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: daval57 on Saturday 10 September 11 22:49 BST (UK)
That's good. 
You may also have some luck looking through the Evening Times Roll of Honour.
You've not mentioned his location in Scotland at the time of his marriage which might help narrow it down.
These links link to 2 pdf files listing most of the entries from the Roll of honour.

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/BAD2E34A-8923-4C2C-AA9F-EF6F073DCA75/0/ETRollofHonour_191415_complete.pdf

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/FFF0D9D4-3B13-4B31-8319-3BA89E998FC8/0/ETRollofHonour_Apr10.pdf


ADDED... main link for ET Roll of Honour...
http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/residents/library_services/family_local_history/eveningtimesrollofhonour.htm
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: humanracer on Saturday 10 September 11 23:07 BST (UK)
Hi

He was from Beath (Fife). Sadly he isn't listed on the ET site. Good site though.
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: sancti on Sunday 11 September 11 10:57 BST (UK)
What were his parents names?
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: sancti on Sunday 11 September 11 12:14 BST (UK)
What was his occupation when he married?

Where are they living on 1911 census?
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: apanderson on Sunday 11 September 11 12:32 BST (UK)
There's a Robert Bell listed on Cowdenbeath Civic War Memorial, see:
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/viewtopic.php?p=10903&mforum=warmemscot#10903

The following are a list from SP of all the Robert Bells died/killed in service overseas (Minor Records/Service Returns) - maybe by doing some 'sums' you'd be able to discount some of them and shorten the options?

(4th Column is age)

1915   BELL   ROBERT   25   114/AF 0151
1915   BELL   ROBERT   28   115/AF 0239
1915   BELL   ROBERT   24   116/AF 0005
1915   BELL   ROBERT   21   119/AF 0169
1915   BELL   ROBERT   23   119/AF 0235
1915   BELL   ROBERT   21   121/AF 0026
1915   BELL   ROBERT   21   121/AF 0216
1915   BELL   ROBERT   21   124/AF 0017
1915   BELL   ROBERT   30   129/AF 0152
1915   BELL   ROBERT   20   134/AF 0293
1916   BELL   ROBERT   28   115/AF 0201
1916   BELL   ROBERT   36   117/AF 0008
1916   BELL   ROBERT   25   123/AF 0279
1916   BELL   ROBERT   25   124/AF 0147
1916   BELL   ROBERT   24   130/AF 0110
1917   BELL   ROBERT   21   128/AF 0352
1917   BELL   ROBERT   24   129/AF 0073
1917   BELL   ROBERT   32   135/AF 0194

Anne
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Sunday 11 September 11 12:48 BST (UK)
Cowdenbeath WWI memorial, Panel 1 :- John Bell, Robert Bell.

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 11 September 11 13:34 BST (UK)
Quote from: humanracer on Saturday 10 September 11 23:07 BST (UK)
He was from Beath (Fife).

Was he married/living in Beath but born in Pencaitland, Midlothian? www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,554678.0.html

Monica
Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: humanracer on Sunday 11 September 11 15:42 BST (UK)
Yeah those threads are related lol, it is the same Robert Bell.

Ironic since I spent a lot of time at the Cowdenbeath war memorial as a child (it is up a hill with nice scenic views). I never thought that one of my ancestors would probably be listed on it.

Title: Re: died in World War One?
Post by: brianmcarthur93 on Saturday 02 March 19 11:51 GMT (UK)
I have recently finished my web site which gives quite a bit on information on each man commemorated on the Cowdenbeath War Memorial.  The information you require is there.
https://cowdenbeathwarmemorial.wordpress.com/
Brian