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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: oldbiker on Friday 09 September 11 23:14 BST (UK)
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When the widowed Sarah Bishop, nee Pavey, married William Mullins at Hawkchurch on the 23 November 1841 she showed her father as Matthew Pavey. Subsequent Censuses indicate she was born at Ilminster c 1804 but as I haven't access to Parish Records and IGI has not yielded anything positive I am unable to correctly identify her parents. There is a Matthew Pavey b c 1770 at Ilminster who married Jane on the 28 September 1795. I have found two children for them----Elizabeth 20 Nov 1796 and Jane 10 Nov 1805 both b Ilminster. I suspect that Sarah is another of their children especially in view of the gap.
Can anyone kindly confirm this please and supply her mother's maiden name? Sarah is clearly not the one born at Thorncombe or Seaborough as both of these had fathers not called Matthew.
Cheers
oldbiker
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Hi
The 1795 Ilminster marriage that you refer to was by Licence and the bride's name was Jane Pavey. Both were of the parish.
Source - Somerset and Dorset FHS collection
Haven't found a birth/baptism for Sarah yet.
gnu
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Thank you for your lightning fast response gnu.
I noticed also that the marriage was by licence and that the bride was Jane Pavey but thought perhaps that wasn't her maiden name but maybe it was. I will check out Jane Paveys on IGI. I do think, in view of the gap, that there may be other children and hopefully Sarah will surface.
Cheers
oldbiker
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Hello again gnu
and anybody else out there
Pallot's does in fact show the marriage between Matthew Pavey and Jane Pavey so maybe that was the case and the couple did have the same surname. All that is required now is a positive link with Sarah and hopefully somebody with access to the Parish Records or who have themselves been studying this family might know.
Thank you
oldbiker
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Hi again
I had seen the Pallots before I posted but there was no date given so I gave the full name from the FHS info.
Where did you find the baptisms of Jane and Elizabeth?
gnu
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Hello again
It was from IGI but when I looked again just now I discovered that the mother of each child was shown as Elizabeth!! OOOPS! The father was still Matthew. This is most odd---two girls, nine years apart each with a given name Elizabeth and Jane---it's not because Jane the wife died soon after marriage and he quickly remarried Elizabeth is it?---I cannot find any other Matthew---the plot thickens.
Incidentally Sarah Pavey's marriage to James Bishop produced two children---Elizabeth and Levi. As she called her first daughter Elizabeth it suggests, however mildly, that she named her after her mother?
We are just on our way for a few days break so I will pick up the thread on our return.
Thanks again
oldbiker
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Hello gnu
Back again and still unable to make any headway. Looks as if until the Parish Records of Ilminster are available on line I will be unable to make any further progress. Unless of course somebody who has studied the Paveys comes up with a clue.
Thanks anyway
oldbiker
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Hi :)
Somerset Marriages has this marriage:
Donyatt (not that far from Ilminster)
10 April 1796 - Matthew Pavey and Elizabeth Leat
gnu
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Thanks again gnu
I'm sure that clears up the two girls with Elizabeth as their mother---as you say Donyatt is very close to Ilminster.
So we have now established two different Matthews----all I have to do now is to tie in Sarah to the appropriate parents. If they are the Donyatt couple ( and they must have had other children during that nine year gap ) it might be easier as there is now a different maiden name from which to plot!
You're a star!
oldbiker
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There are these baptisms at Combe St Nicholas:
02 Dec 1792 Mathew, natural son of Sarah PAVEY
10 Jan 1796 Mary, base born dau of ditto [bur 26 Jan 1800]
29 Jun 1804 Sophia, base born dau of ditto
13 Nov 1796 Mary, dau of Matthew PAVEY & Jane
19 Oct 1834 Simon, son of Mathew PAVEY & Harriett of Sticklepath, Labourer
14 Aug 1836 Selina, dau ditto
10 Mar 1839 William, son ditto
09 Apr 1843 Elizabeth, dau ditto of Whiteway, Labourer
06 Apr 1845 Mary, dau ditto
Burials are recorded for Harriet 42 and Mary 6 on 06 Apr 1845 and 16 Apr 1845 respectively, both of Whiteway, CSN.
21 Apr 1831, at CSN, Marriage by banns:
Mathew PAVEY, bach otp (x)
Harriet READER, spin otp (sgd Harriott)
Witnesses: Susan FOWLER; James SINGLETON. Both signed.
Levi PAVEY, Labourer of Underway, & Dinah ROWE surface 10 Nov 1850 for marriage at CSN and for the private baptism of son John on 17 Feb 1851, believed to be the infant buried 27 Jul 1851.
There are many more PAVEYs in CSN and, like my Ag lab ancestors, they appear to move around all the parishes in close proximity - crossing and re-crossing the Devon, Somerset & Dorset County boundaries.
Of particular interest:
1) 30 Jun 1803 Matthew PAVEY aged 9 apprenticed to Francis BUCKLAND the younger for Mr BAKER's estate CSN.
2) Jane PAVEY, born Whitestaunton and daughter of Matthew, who married William CUFF. Follow her history on the CSN website: http://www.combestnicholas.org.uk/
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Thank you dee-jay for your contribution
I had noticed the CSN bunch of Paveys earlier but couldn't pin down a Sarah born about 1804 but heeding your advice about crossing not only Parish but County boundaries I will cast the net further afield. Incidentally I couldn't seem to find anything about the history of Jane Pavey/William Cuff on the site you highlighted.
Thanks vey much
oldbiker
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Go to the address I posted; click on 'History' in the left hand margin; run your cursor down to the Nineteenth Century section and you will find the hyper-link at the bottom of the paragraph that starts ' Also in 1844 .....'
According to Brad Hepburn's research you probably don't need to look much further than Whitestaunton for most of Matthew's issue ... ;D
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Hi dee-jay
Thanks for the instructions. What a fascinating story concerning Jane. I still haven't come up with a hit for Sarah the daughter of Matthew but the facts are out there somewhere and hopefully I will find them if I keep looking.
Cheers
oldbiker