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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Christcooper on Friday 09 September 11 19:41 BST (UK)
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A date on this would be great, thanks Chris
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based on his hair, necktie and collar.... I'd say between 1860-1870.
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We'd like to see the whole thing please including the outer corners of the card backing, and also the back if there is any printing.
Cheers,
China
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Thanks all, very helpful, Chris
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What a beaut.1850's hand tinted ambrotype.Is this the original?
The givaway is his waistcoat which looks the wrong side,this is because ambrotypes came out in reverse.
This is how he would have looked at the sitting,no different really except his waistcoat is now on the correct side.
jim
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Nice work Jim, thanks. You think 1850's?
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Is this an ambrotype for sure? I know the image quality is better than most tintypes, but it could still be one. Early examples were reverse images as well and could be hand tinted. If it’s a tintype, there might be some sort of insignia or impression in the edge of the photo that could help further date it. If it’s an ambrotype, you can sometimes make a further guess on the date when looking at any case or frame it was in. Both types of photos were developed around the same time in the mid 1850s, but tintypes are said to have become popular around 1860 by which time ambrotypes had already been popular for a few years.
I’ve read that large cravats tied horizontally like the man in the photo’s were popular from the 1850s to the mid 1860s. They became progressively larger within that time frame until the mid-1860s when they were replaced completely by slimmer and more refined neckties.
Any which way, I would say this probably dates between 1855-1865.
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Thanks for your replys. I was guessing around 1860 so not far off. Cheers, Chris
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Nice work Jim, thanks. You think 1850's?
not as late as 1860's.
This young man is dressed in a style typical of the 1840's/50's & I can't see him dressed this way any later.
Also this was mounted in a gilt case as you can see by the witness marks at the top corners.
Tintypes which didn't really take off in the UK until the 80's where very cheap to produce & as the cases cost more than the photo they were usually mounted on card.
jim
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A very odd coincidence...
I was looking on eBay for some more photos for my collection, when I came across this:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0jlh/
I immediately sent Chris a PM to let him know that I'd found a duplicate of his profile picture, but then I found this thread which has a larger version - and it's IDENTICAL in every respect to the one for sale, right down to the position and size of the dust specks ;)
What do you all make of this? It has to be the same picture, right?
Cheers
Prue
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The same one, Prue, As you say, right down to the blemishes and size! It was last updated 24 June 2011- 3 months before Chris put this up :-\
gnu
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Are they both original? Perhaps there were copies made?
Just trying to work it out ;D
Joy
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What does 'sixth plate Daguerrotype' mean ???
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Refers to size....the plate the photo is made on is cut into 6 photos, so it's actually a 1/6th of a plate. Some are ninths, very small, and once in a while you see a 1/2.
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Well done Prue,so this is a daguerreotype hence the price which makes it a bit earlier than I estimated.It's in lovely condition.
So are you going to buy it,a snip at $645.
jim
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Are they both original? Perhaps there were copies made?
The daguerreotype is an original, not sure about the one that Chris posted, but I suspect it's the same digital photo that is presented on the eBay page.
No, Jim, my budget doesn't quite stretch to that! Although it's a beautiful image, nary a blemish on it which is unusual for a daguerreotype (and makes me think the seller has that wrong, and it's actually something else...)
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Would any other type of image command that price?
jim
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Oh, definitely. There are a few half and full-plate ambrotypes for sale on eBay that are over a thousand dollars apiece. Size matters, as does subject matter. And if it's by a named, famous photographer - forgeddaboudit!
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I've seen one for $3,500 US :o
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Y'know...I'd be ticked if I thought somebody was posting photos here for dating in order to sell them on eBay.
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Definitely not unheard of China, especially if the subject is known too and is famous/important.