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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: CelticAnnie on Friday 09 September 11 17:34 BST (UK)
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Hello!
I have no access to Canadian records :'( and could really use some help tracing some Taylors in Montreal.
This is what I know:
Archibald D Taylor m Mary Davies in Scotland. (Have no dates for this couple at all!)
They had a son born in England on 24th May 1830: James Williamson Taylor.
Then about the only other documentary evidence I have is photos of various Taylors, all taken in Montreal -- for once, helpfully annotated on back. (I assume before being sent back to my relatives in UK). These are:
James Williamson Taylor (undated; but photo depicts late-middle- aged man)
Thomas M Taylor (dated 1882; late-middle-aged man)
Mrs Thomas M Taylor (dated 1882; late-middle-aged woman)
Mary Isobel Taylor (dated 1891; girl in mid teens-ish)
I know James and Thomas also had a sister: Margaret Peploe Taylor. This is known because she married her cousin, Huntley Mackay (b Inverness, Scotland; emigrated to Canada in 1840, aged 18 -- we know quite a lot about HIM!) in 1868 in Montreal.
Since there is evidence of all three siblings being in Montreal, I assume their parents likely emigrated there. But I have no idea when (or even, for sure, that they did!).
Although the Taylors are fairly distant relatives of mine, it would be really lovely to be able to add some flesh to these names and photos. Anything that anyone with access to Canadian records can turn up without going to a great deal of trouble (census records, perhaps?) would be very much appreciated.
Many thanks! :D
CELTIC ANNIE
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Here are some freebies to get you started :).
You can access the Canadian censuses for free at these links.
1871, 1881 (includes images unlike the census from familysearch), 1891 .... click on 'Census of Canada' for the relevant year.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html
1852, 1901, 1911
http://automatedgenealogy.com/
Montreal directories .... start at 'serie principale' and it will be English after that .....
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
Polarbear
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thanks, polarbear! I'd no idea there were ANY Canadian records that could be accessed free of charge (yippee! :D); so this is great news. I will get straight on to these and see what I can unearth!
many thanks to you for your trouble.
CELTIC ANNIE
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You're most welcome. Happy hunting!
PB
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You might check if your local library subscribes to Ancestry Library Edition. This would give you access to the Drouin Collection which has parish registers for Quebec with images of each record. You can search for baptisms, marriages and burials. Civil registration in Quebec did not start until about 1994 (yes) so these are the only available records for this time period.
Looks like there was a 3rd brother Edward? He was a witness at Margaret's wedding to Huntley (Drouin Collection).
PB
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Thanks for that, Polarbear! I live in Texas -- things might be different in relation to what's accessible at our libraries, but I'll make enquiries. So far, I've managed to unearth a d. o. b. for Margaret (wife of Huntley) from 1901 census records -- which is a good start! :) But the other Taylors remain strangely elusive. I'll keep looking, though; and thanks for the "heads up" about Edward -- hitherto completely unknown to me.
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Ancestry Library Edition might also be available through your local Family History Center (the familysearch folks) if you are lucky enough to live near one of those. I understand some carry it.
PB
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This family used the Montreal (Congretional Zion) church for a number of baptisms and burials.
Archibald Dunbar Taylor, civil engineer, d. 11 Aug 1865 age 72 with sons Edward and James witn
Mary Taylor (Davies) d. 14 Feb 1870
Burials for this family appear to be in Mont Royal Cemetery
There is a 4 Feb 1846 marriage in Montreal (Presbyterian Crescent) between Thomas Mallegaum Taylor and Mary Redpath and the following baptisms and deaths of children were in the Montreal (Congretional Zion) church. Thomas was a banker
Redpath Taylor b. 11 March 1850
Archibald Dunbar Taylor b. 12 Oct 1853
Helen Ida Taylor b. 4 Dec 1856
Edward Thornton Taylor b. 13 Sept 1858
Mary Elizabeth b. 3 Mar 1847 d. 3 Nov 1861 age 13 years 8 months eldest daughter of Thomas
Alice Jane Taylor b. 10 Dec 1851 (married 7 Sep 1876 Alfred Walter Brailsford)
Margaret Beatrice Taylor b. 26 Feb 1862
Gertrude Francis Taylor b. 21 Sep 1859
Children between Edward Thornton Taylor and Victoria Dougall
Thomas Malligaum Taylor b. 2 Jan 1856 d. 30 Jul 1863 age 6 1/2 years
Mary Francis Elizabeth b. 23 Jan 1857
James Dougall Taylor b. 27 Sept 1858 (father Manager of a branch of the Bank of Upper Canada)
Owen Llewellyn Taylor b. 18 Jun 1860 d. 5 Nov 1862 age 17 months
Alexandra Victoria Taylor b. 31 Mar 1862
Ida Beatrice Taylor b. 2 Dec 1864
Kate Peploe Taylor b. 3 July 1866
Allan Davies Taylor b. 22 Dec 1873
Douglas Thornton Taylor b. 27 Aug 1870
Children between James Taylorand Mabel Louisa White
May Isobel Taylor b. 10 Jul 1874
Edith Taylor b. 15 Jan 1877 d. 9 Feb 1877
Victoria Dougall w/o Edward Taylor d. 13 March 1898 age 60 Montreal (Anglican Saint Martin)
James Williamson Taylor d. 26 Jan 1892 Westmont (Presbyterian Melville) refers to his employment at the Caledonia Insurance Co.
1891 census he is in Cote St. Antoine Hochelaga with wife Mabel 20 years his junior and daughters Isabella 15, Dasie 13 and Lillian 9. Also sister-in-law Emily White.
Debbie
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Debbie, this is WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL stuff! So much detail; and tons and tons and tons of information. I find it hard to find words to express how very grateful (and excited!) I am to have all this; but bless you! :-* :) Am going to have a lovely time, this afternoon, slotting all this info. into my family tree!
Interesting to have Edward confirmed as son of Archibald, as 1852 census suggests Archibald could only have been 12 years old when he had him! :D I did wonder if perhaps he was a younger brother who emigrated with him. (But then we all know dates can be out a bit).
Was aware there was a link with the Zion church as Huntley Mackay had his second marriage there, but of course I don't have access to records.
Once again, thank you so, so much -- you have literally made my weekend!
CELTIC ANNIE
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p.s. "Mallegaum" -- what a wonderful middle name Thomas has (I'd been wondering what the 'M' stood for); and a possible clue on his grandmother's surname, perhaps?
Still can't get over how much info. you've so kindly given me! I'm SO excited to have all this!
:-* :-* :-* :D
CELTIC ANNIE
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With the children's names you can search the later census to try and find them. On the 1901 in Saint Antoine Ward Montreal Daisy b. Mar 3, 1878 and sister Lillian b. Aug 3, 1881 Taylor are lodging with Thomas McGregor (dentist).
On the 1881 census for St Antoine Montreal Thomas M. (insurance agent) with wife Mary and children A. Dunbar, Helen, Gertrude and Margaret.
Marriage Montreal (anglican Saint John the Evangelist) 16 April 1884 between Archibald Dunbar Taylor and Isabel Churchill Craigie
On the 1891 they are iin Cote St. Antoine Arch D. Taylor and Isabel with 5 year old Dorothy and 3 year old Kenneth. They are in the same area on the 1901 with the addition of Thomas b. 1891 Archibald's sister Helen is living with them - she is single. On the 1911 census the family has moved to Vancouver, BC
From FamilySearch you can access some additional BC records. Isabel Churchill Taylor d/o Ernest Craigie d. 2 Aug 1924 at Pt. Grey BC. Her son Thomas Alexander Hatch Taylor d. 1971 BC and daughter Dorothea Redpath Taylor marries in 1914. Son Kenneth joins the WWI forces and was killed in action.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=271661&interval=20&&PHPSESSID=j5l1dcg6qaautou54749rdqn72
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem/Detail&casualty=613779
Bit more information for you.
Debbie
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http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html
check out the military section for additonal Taylor signups for WWI. Edward Thornton Taylor s/o James Dougall Taylor (grandson of Edward Thornton Taylor) signed up.
The spelling of Thomas' middle name might vary from record to record.
Debbie
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James D. Taylor (insurance agent) s/o Edward T. Taylor and Victoria Dougall married Cecille Dougall, d/o James Dougall and Elizabeth O'Neil on 8 Sep 1892 at Montreal (Ste. Jacques). James D. died 1 Dec 1932 at Richmond, Quebec.
On the 1901 Montreal Saint Laurent census James D. with Cecile M and children Edward T. (7) and Mary E. (4) with mother-in-law Eliza Dougall (75). Same area on the 1911 census. Mary E. enumerated as Elizabeth and they forgot to add the 10 years to Edward's age.
Edward Thornton Taylor (son of Archibald and Mary Davies) d. 10 Feb 1900 at age 76.
Debbie
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Margaret Beatrice Taylor, d/o Thomas M. Taylor and Mary Redpath married Arthur Wells Robinson of Bucysus(? ) Ohio s/o Joseph Orr Robinson and Georgina Buchanan. Married Montreal (Anglican Saint Martin) 13 Sept 1892. Thomas M. was noted as deceased. A.D. Taylor and Helen Taylor witnesses.
Record of a birth on FamilySearch for a male child of this couple in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. FamilySearch brings up an entry for this couple on the 191 British census as visitors. Arthur had been born in Quebec.
Francis Evan Malligawn Robinson married 18 June 1929 to Margaret Lois Joanna Warren. His mother Margaret Beatrice was a witness and Arthur was noted as deceased. Passenger record 1930 on the Duchess of Bedford (have to check can't read my writing) for Francis Evan Malligawan Robinson, 36, b. Milwaukee WI, with wife Margaret Lois Joanna, 22, b. Dublin Ire. He had been in Canada between 1908-1930 and she 1928-1930. Home address was Melbourne, Quebec.
Debbie
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WOW!!!!!!!!
Debbie, I'm totally gob-smacked by all this extra stuff you've found out for me!!!!!!!! Thank you so, so, so, so much! (You've given me enough here to keep me going on my tree updates for several days, now, I reckon! ;D ;D)
This is just AMAZING -- you must have covered about a hundred years of this (extended) family's history, here! (And so quickly, too!) Like I said, I'm just totally gob-smacked.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!
CELTIC ANNIE
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It would be worth your time and money to take out a month subscription to ancestry.ca to access the Drouin collection yourself. Certainly double check my findings and to save the actual records for future use. That would also give you access to the images for the 1861 and 1871 census.
Alice Jane Taylor b. 1851 (Thomas M. and Mary Redpath parents) married Alfred Walter Brailsford. The record indicated that he was a manufacturer from Thornton near Bradford Yorkshire.
1881 English census in Bradford Yorkshire are Alfred and Alice J. who is shown born in Montreal Canada. On the 1891 and 1901 in Bradford Yorkshire. On the 1901 he is shown as a Worsted Manufacturer.
Alfred W. was born in Bristol Somerset and his children in Yorkshire
Ethel W. 23 on the 1901 b. Thornton Yorkshire
Enid L. 21 governess on the 1901 b. Bradford Yorkshire
Alice R. 19 b. Bradford, Yorkshire
Mary D. 14 b. Bradford, Yorkshire
FreeBMD should allow you to try and find marriages for these daughters.
Debbie
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Gertrude Francis, d/o Thomas M. and Mary Redpath should actually be
Gertrude St. Francis Taylor. Passenger records, and marriage show the St. much clearer than the birth record.
She married 24 June 1896 at Windsor Mills. Her father, Thomas M. Taylor, was deceased. Groom was Emile Theodore Lambert, s/o Justin Auguste Lambert of Eastbourne, England, professor of language, bachelor, living Montreal.
On the 1901 census Emile T. and Gertrude are living with Gertrude's sister, Margaret Beatrice and her family (Arthur Wells Robinson and son Francis). Gertrude has a daughter Helen T. On the 1911 census the family is still in Westmount Hochelaga Montreal but on their own. Helen is known as Dora and daughter Clare has been added.
The family visited England in 1920 and the Form 30A filled out for their passage gives the full names of their daughters. Margaret Clare Lambert and Helen Theodora Lambert. Helen T. was born in Cambridge, Mass.
Debbie
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FamilySearch has the BC marriage in 1908 for Helen Ida Taylor to Valentine John Robert Christian.
Kate Peploe Taylor, d/o Edward Thornton Taylor and Victoria Dugall is on the 1881 Canadian census with her parents. I can't find her on the 1891 but she should be in the Windsor, Ontario area as she married William Albert Hanrahan. There are Ontario births and Roman Catholic baptisms for
Mary Florence Gwendolyne b. 11 Nov 1890 Windsor
Mona Beatrice (Mary Beatrice in the Catholic register) b. 10 Feb 1897
Dorothy (Dorothea in the Catholic register) b. 12 Jun 1892
Edward Thornton b. 16 Oct 1886 and d. 30 Mar 1887 at 5 months
Albert Stanislaus b. 19 Oct 1888
In Windsor for the 1901 and 1911 census but only daughters Gwendolyne and Mona are shown.
Catherine Hanrahan d. 28 Feb 1940 @ age 73. St. Alphonsus RC Windsor (old)
http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php
Debbie
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Allen Davies Taylor (s/o Edward Thornton and Victoria) married 19 Oct 1898 at Montreal (Saint Patrick) - Catholic church
Marriage to Mary Catherine Corinne Kinsela.
1901 census they are in Montreal Saint Antoine under Alan D. and Katherine
1911 census in the St. Laurent section of Montreal. Son Edward C.H. (9) is with them.
Edward Charles Hosmer Taylor marries 23 Sep 1926 to Mary Louise therese Alain and at least one child - a son is born 20 Aug 1927. D.J.A. Taylor
Douglas Thornton Taylor married 21 June 1902 at Quebec (Saint Andrews') to Grace Caroline Anderson and on the 1911 census they are living in Sherbrooke Quebec with daughter Helen Anderson Taylor. B. 23 April 1903 at Montreal. Married at Levis (Church of Scotland) 14 Sep 1929 to Horace Roland Willmott. Her father was deceased at the time.
Death for Douglas Taylor 21 Dec 1926 Levis (church of Scotland) with burial at Mont Royal Cemetery Montreal
Lots for you to work with
Debbie
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There is a marriage for Archibald Taylor and Mary Davies taking place in Petty, Inverness on 9 Dec 1820 at ScotlandsPeople. This Archibald is said to be the overseer for the Earl of Moray and Mary the daughter of Mr. Davies, Mains of Connage. Could this be your couple?
SP also has birth/baptism entries for Thomas Taylor, son of Archibald Taylor and Mary Davis, in Inverness dated 22 May 1822 and for Edward Thornton Taylor, son of Archibald Taylor and Mary Davie in Aberdeen dated 20 Jun 1824. No occupation is listed for Archibald on Thomas' entry but the entry for Edward indicates he was a merchant.
By the way, I believe the ages for Archibald D. Taylor and Mrs. Taylor are 58, not 38 on the 1851 census.
Jacquie
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Hello, Jacquie!
Thank you so much for this valuable extra info! :-* It's extremely helpful to have a bit more of the extensive Davies family's activities in Scotland "pinned down". (My ggggrandmother was a Davies). I'm also extremely grateful for the helpful further dates/places relating to the Taylors that you have found.
Scotlandspeople -- doh! I would have gotten there eventually (honest!); it was more a case that I hadn't gotten around to researching Archibald+Mary much yet than that I hadn't been able to find anything on them. But, as something of a "technophobe" and a relative "newbie" to genealogy, I don't find Scotlandspeople easy to "navigate" (I'll keep working on that, though!) so it's very helpful to know what's on there to be found before I go and try and locate the records myself. Left to my own devices, I know I could easily have hunted for and not found this stuff -- or some of it. Thank you so, so much for that. This was really very kind of you. :-*
So I'm a VERY happy girl, today! :D My Rootschat family are a wonderful lot! (I never dreamed I'd end up with all this when I started this post!)
CELTIC ANNIE
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p.s. sorry, Jacquie, I should have confirmed that the Archibald and Mary you found are DEFINITELY the right couple. I already knew of a link with Petty, Inverness in relation to other Davies family members -- and of the Mains of Connage link for Daddy Davies; this all confirms you've found the right pair. It's very helpful to have a further date (ie the wedding date you've located), though, to confirm when the Petty link/Mains of Connage were on-going. :)
Thank you again!
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You can also have a look in the Lovell's Directory for Montreal here:
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
The introductory page is in French but subsequent pages are in English...select Serie Principale.
In 1900 James D Taylor was working for E T Taylor & Son, apparently something to do with insurance, and living at 491 St Urbain street which is right downtown. If you load 491 rue st-urbain, montreal into Google maps it will give you the location and also a modern image. The area has changed much over the years and today is right next to a major expressway. The address seems to be a Holiday Inn now, and across the street from a Metro station (subway).
Oh yes, and in around 1900 it was a heavily Jewish neighborhood, but now it's the Montreal Chinatown :)
Cheers,
China
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I see Polarbear already gave the link to the Lovell's....I should have read more carefully. But I bet she didn't know about Chinatown ;D
Cheers,
China
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Thanks so much for these interesting additional snippets of info. Chinakay -- I'd not thought of google-mapping the address. :)
Cheers!
CELTIC ANNIE
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Hi
I know quite a bit about the Taylors as my wife is a direct descendant of Archibald Dunbar Taylor (christened April 11 1793). The oldest Taylor that I've found is Archibald's father Jo. who married Beatrix Brander. I've also some info on the Davies family which goes back to the 16th century and earlier in some cases. The name Mulligaum appears as a tribute to the brother of Mary Davies who was killed at the Batlle of Mulligaum in India.
I need to look through all the info in this thread to see how it tallies with what I have.
Photographs of Thomas Mulligaum Taylor and his wife Mary Redpath appear in the book A Gentleman of Substance The Life and Legacy of John Redpath (1796-1869) by Richard Feltoe.
Best regards
Jan
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Hello Jan -- how wonderful to hear from you! Am very excited to touch base with someone else who has Taylor and Davies connections, and look forward to comparing notes and hopefully swapping information about them with you. But, unfortunately, right about now, I have to go out! :( :( :( So I will post here again tomorrow; and then perhaps we can start personal messaging each other about these interesting families.
Meantime, if you have not found it already, would recommend you check out thread entitled "Thomas Davies, Esq. of Davies Place, Inverness" on the Scottish forum (sorry -- can't presently lay my hand on the web address; first post dates to 16th Jan. 2010) -- think you will find that (and its daughter thread) very interesting!
Oh, and welcome to Rootschat! As you will probably have already gathered from reading the entirety of this thread (ie my Taylor thread), there are a lot of very helpful and friendly folk hanging out on here.
Crikey, I'm now late -- must run! Really looking forward to talking with you further!
Warm regards.
CELTICANNIE.
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Hi
Good to hear from you. First of all, a correction, it's Malligaum not Mulligaum - a touch of fat finger there.
I've attached a photograph from the Taylor memorial at Mount Royal Cemetery in Montreal.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Jan
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Looking at Cosmac's info - I have found the Hanrahan's in the 1891 census but cannot find them in the 1901 and 1911 census on Automated Geneaology. Mona Beatrice Hanrahan was born 10 Feb 1897 in Walkerville, Essex, Ontario.
Jan
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Here's a link to William and Kate Hanrahan (misspelled on census as Harrahan) on the 1901 census with daughters Gwendolyn and Mona in Windsor, Ontario (starts line 38):
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=50073
Here's a link to the family on the 1911 census also in Windsor, Ontario (starts line 10):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0g0f/
Jacquie
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Thank you, Jacquie -- super-girl! :D :D Jan and I have been exchanging some interesting (well, to us!) PMs on 'the clan'; and FYI of my helpful Canadian rootschatter friends, Jan has told me that the middle name "Malligaum" of Thomas M Taylor comes from a place/battle in India, where one of his mother's siblings (also called Thomas) lost his life in 1818. Rather a sweet way to commemorate and remember him, I thought.
CELTIC ANNIE
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Here's the gravestone for Thomas Malligaum Taylor and his wife Mary Redpath.
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Blimey, I've just noticed I've just told everybody what Jan had already told us earlier in this thread -- i.e. about the origins of the name "Malligaum" -- how embarrasing!!! :-[ :-[ :-[ Sorry, everybody -- thought it was something Jan had mentioned to me in one of his PMs. I've been hopping about all over the internet today and clearly have lost track of whether I'm coming or going! (And definitely forgotten where I've been!)
Sorry, folks!
CELTIC ANNIE
P.S. Thanks for sharing this further photo, Jan -- really hope I get to see the memorial for myself, one day!
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I've searched the OCFA site for the Hanrahans. I was unable to find Catharine Hanrahan who is reported in an earlier message to have died in 1940 and to be buried at St Alphonsus RC cemetery (old). However there is a WA Hanrahan buried there and a Mona B Hanrahan who may be the daughter of Kate Peploe Taylor and William Albert Hanrahan.
Jan
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Time to put a little flesh on the bones!
Archibald Dunbar Taylor (b c1793) was named after his godfather Sir Archibald Dunbar of Northfield. The family moved to Canada in 1835 apparently so that ADT would work on canal building there (family document). In economic terms he did not succeed but his son Thomas Malligaum Taylor did well for himself and at the age of 21 (1843/44) he bought a property for his parents (a cottage on Clarke Avenue, Westmount then the village of St Antoine).
TMT with his brother James Williamson founded the firm of Taylor Bros which became the leading stock and produce broking firm. In 1862, together with their brother Edward Thornton, went into the fire insurance business being sole agents for the Home and Colonial Insurance Co and later for the Northern Insurance Co and the Scottish Imperial Co which became the Caledonian Insurance Co.
Through his marriage to Mary Redpath, TMT established a strong link to the Redpath family who became a dominant force in Montreal. Together with his aunt Jane Barnard (née Davies) TMT bought a country property in Upper Melbourne, PQ. This was originally a summer residence (no heating) but became a focal point for the family. It was later taken on by his son-in-law Arthur Wells Robinson who invested heavily in the building and surrounding land to create a model farm. The property was sold to the RC church in the 1940s.
TMT was a very religious man who published a collection of hymns. He later joined the Plymouth Brethren. A church was built on the site of his Montreal home (169 Drummond Street) demolished shortly after his death.
I'll be putting up more posts about the family.
Jan
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Descendants of Thomas Malligaum Taylor.
I can add the following info.:
Children of Alice Jane Taylor Brailsford - Ethel Wood Brailsford married Frederick James Burnley in 1904 but she died in 1912. Her husband then married her sister Enid Taylor Brailsford and they had a daughter Alison born in 1919. Alice Redpath Brailsford married Richard Taylor Booth in 1906 and they had six children - Meredith Taylor, Eliza, Margaret, Herbert, Dorothy Brailsford, and Jack. (All from FreeBMD). Meredith died in 1994 and had four children. Dorothy died in 2003 and had two children.
Archibald Dunbar Taylor was a lawyer who became a KC after moving to Vancouver from Montreal via Milwaukee. A plaque in his memory has been erected in Montreal as part of the Hockey Walk of Fame - he was an early pioneer of ice hockey. He was a theatre owner in Montreal as well. His wife, Isabel Churchill Craigie was a noted photographer in her day. They had five children of whom two died in infancy. Kenneth Churchill Craigie Taylor died from wounds received at the Battle of the Somme. There are living descendants from the other two children. (Obituary attached)
Edward Thornton Taylor was born in 1858 (and not 1850 as per Wikipedia). Details of his military career can be found easily on the internet. He had a great passion for big game shooting and he died from a stroke while on a final post-retirement expedition in India. He is buried at Mandla, UP, India. He married Alice Madeleine Campbell and they had four children - Alice Mary, Edward Archibald Thornton, Frances Audrey Margaret, and Phyllis Madeleine. Alice Mary Taylor (known as Ailsie) married William Palmer Ladd and they lived in New England - she died in Maryland in 1961. They had four children - John Hilda, Edward Taylor, Penelope, and Persis Joan. There are further descendants. The other three children eventually settled in England.
Gertrude St Francis Taylor married Emile Lambert and they had two daughters - Helen Theodora (d1967) and Margaret Rachel Clare (d1987). The latter married David Willis and they had a son Theodore.
Margaret Beatrice Taylor married Arthur Wells Robinson and they had one son Francis Evans Malligaum Robinson who appears to have died in Oregon in 1988. he married Margaret Lois Joanna Warren and they had at least two children. Francis contributed to a book on economics in the 1930s and he was involved in the property at Upper Melbourne, PQ (see previous posting).
Jan
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The name Edward Thornton Taylor appears several times in the family tree. It is believed that Edward Thornton was a great friend of Archibald Dunbar Taylor's father. The first Edward Thornton Taylor was the second son of Archibald Dunbar Taylor and Mary Davies and as mentioned in a previous posting he worked with his brother in their insurance business. He was born in Aberdeen in 1824 and died 10 Feb 1900. With his wife Victoria Dougall, he had 11 children - Thomas Malligaum (died young), Mary Elizabeth (1858-89), James Dougall, Owen Llewellyn (died in infancy), Alexandra Victoria, Ida Beatrice, Kate Peploe, Douglas Thornton, Allan Davies, Florence, and Gertrude.
Perhaps the most curious of these is James Dougall Taylor who farmed at Upper Melbourne. He married Cecile Dougall - "of his mother's (ie Victoria Dougall) family" according to a family document - and they had two children Edward Thornton and Mary Elizabeth. Neither of them appears to have married. My research indicates that Victoria Dougall was the daughter of James Dougall and his first wife Susanne Baby. Cecile Dougall was the eldest daughter of James Dougall's second marriage to Eliza(beth) O'Neil(l). In other words, it appears that James Dougall Taylor married his mother's half-sister. There was 28 years difference between Victoria and Cecile. Information on James Dougall is widely available on-line and you can find his biography at http://biographi.ca/009004-119.01-e.php?id_nbr=5486
Jan
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I have some more info.
Children of Thomas Malligaum Taylor
Redpath Taylor was born March 11 1850 and died July 29 1852.
Helen Ida married Valentine John Robert Christian, a widower, on Feb. 29 1908 in Vancouver and they then moved to England. He died in Eastbourne in 1916 and she died in February 1938 in a nursing home in Godalming, Surrey.
Edward Thornton Taylor died September 25 1922 at Camp Pakwar, Mandla Central Provinces, India. Except for the eldest daughter, the family appears to have settled in England. His wife Alice died September 3 1937 in South Norwood, London and left her (modest) estate to her son Edward Archibald Thornton and her daughter Frances Audrey Margaret who had married John Stenson. The Stenson’s daughter Amanda Jane married Harlan L Davis in London in 1954. It looks as if he was American and she moved to the USA. From travel records, it appears that Edward Archibald Thornton Taylor was a colonial civil servant (political officer) based on the Gold Coast (modern day Ghana). Phyllis Madeleine Taylor, who died in London in 1979, married Charles Marriott in London in 1924 and their son David Giles was born on March 26 1927. In the 1950s he worked in Nigeria as an “education officer” which suggests that he was a colonial civil servant at the time. He married Vilma Anne Stuttle (born January 5 1937) in 1957 in Surrey, England. Either he died early or the marriage foundered quickly as she remarried in 1963 and then again in 1971, dying two years later.
Children of Edward Thornton Taylor (son of ADT)
Kate Peploe married William Albert Hanrahan (died December 31 1929) and they had five children, three of whom died in infancy (Edward Thornton, Albert Stanislaus, and Dorothea). She died February 28 1940 in Windsor, Ontario where she had spent all her married life and she is buried in the cemetery of St Alphonsus Roman Catholic Church. Their daughter Mona Beatrice was actually baptised Mary Beatrice.
Alexandra Victoria Taylor married twice. Her first husband was Robert Fetherstonhaugh (it may be Fetherstonlaugh as the writing in the Drouin records is difficult to decipher) and in 1898 she married Charles Edward Hardie and they had two children Gwyneth Dougall and George Taylor. Gwyneth married Geoffrey Hadrill in 1921 and her brother married Dorothy Cochrane Drysdale in 1931 in Montréal. I have seen internet postings which state that Dorothy also married William Alexander Hyndman so what happened to the marriage is not known.
Ida Beatrice Taylor and her husband William Dickinson Farrell Mackintosh lived in Chicago where he died in 1929.
Douglas Thornton Taylor married Grace Caroline Anderson and they had a daughter Helen Anderson born in 1902. Their grandson Duncan Anderson Willmott died in 2006
Children of James Williamson Taylor
There are no known children for Mary Isobel who married twice. She married Archie Gordon Robertson on October 11 1898 but the first marriage was short-lived as she married Eugene Shelton Randall on December 30 1903. He was American and they eventually settled in Florida. By 1930 she was a widow. (Her US nationality dates from her marriage date as per information on passenger lists.) Her photograph attached is from a1922 passport application. Edith died shortly after birth but Lillian who was based in New York lived a long life like her sister Mary Isobel. She visited Montreal after Mary Isobel’s death to inherit her estate.
Emily Daisy married Thomas Palmer Howard (Eugene Randall was a witness at their marriage.) and they had at least two sons – Thomas Palmer Howard (b. 19 August 1910) and Gordon Taylor Howard (30/01/1916-90). From internet postings and passenger lists, it is clear that their son Thomas Palmer Howard (a lawyer) married Katherine Esmond Pineo and they had at least two children – Anne S and Thomas Palmer. I have found a Montreal Gazette report of the marriage in Montreal on August 22 1964 of Thomas Palmer Howard Jr, son of Thomas Palmer Howard QC, to Sandra Jeane Struthers. Gordon Taylor Howard married Katharine Stevenson on January 29 1940 in Montréal. (Katharine may still have been alive in 2007 as the gravestone for her and her husband did not have a date of death for her.)
Jan
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With a bit more digging, quite a lot of information has come to light.
Children of Thomas Malligaum Taylor
Additional information on the children of Alice Jane Taylor who married Alfred Walton Brailsford:
1 Ethel Wood Brailsford had a daughter Cynthia Brailsford Burnley (1909 - 1964) who married Ernest F Tew in 1938.
2 Alice Redpath Brailsford (1881 - 1973) also had a son Meredith Taylor Booth (1907 - 1994). He married Anne Shinner in 1946 and they appear to have had four children.
3 Mary Drummond Brailsford (1883 - 1968?) also had a daughter Isabella de Castro Woodburn (b1910) who married Richard W M Macalpine and they appear to have had two sons. Mary's son Alfred married Audrey Bateman-Champain in 1937 and they had a son and a daughter. It appears that Alfred and Audrey were murdered in South Africa in May 1980. Alfred was awarded the MC for his actions in Burma in 1944. There are further descendants.
Additional information on the children of Edward Thornton Taylor (1858 - 1922)
William Palmer Ladd (1870 - 1941) who married Alice Mary Taylor was the Dean of Berekley Divinity School and he oversaw its move to the edge of the Yale University campus. (It is now a full affiliate of Yale.) Their son John was Professor of Philosophy at Brown University He died in February 2011. Their daughter Penelope died in 1988. She had married Thomas W D Wright, an architect, and they had three children. There are further descendants.
Children of Edward Thornton Taylor (1824 - 1900)
Kate Peploe Taylor's daughter Mona Beatrice Hanrahan married Emerson James Howard on January 27 1921. Mona and Emerson are buried in the same cemetery as her mother (St Alphonse/Alphonsus in Windsor, Ontario) They had at least five children, starting with twins Emerson James and Mary Elizabeth born on December 7 1921. He died in 2005 in Grosse Point Farms, Michigan and according to his obituary he had three children and three grandchildren. His sister was still alive in 2005 and had married a Mr. Kennedy. The other three children were Patricia, Kathryn, and William and they all predeceased their older brother.
Jan
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I have to admit I got pretty excited when I found this page as I have only recently begun investigating my father's side of the family. I have more information about Taylor descendants to add.
Francis Evan Malligaum Robinson, son of Mary Beatrice Taylor and Arthur Wells Robinson, married Margaret Lois Joanna Robinson
(from Ireland) and they had 3 children. This is explained in a previous post. Their children are Evan Brough Buchanan Robinson,
Deirdre Robinson, and Moira Robinson. Evan married Margaret Ludmilla Funfer from Crowsnest Pass, Alberta and had 2 sons,
Evan Robinson and Michael Redpath Taylor Robinson (my father) both born in Pincher Creek, Alberta. It may also interest you to
know that since AW Robinson took up farming we have carried on the family tradition of farming. I am now at least the 5th
generation farmer in my family, going directly from father to son. In the late 1960s Evan Sr. moved the family to Philomath,
Oregon. Evan Sr. (known as "Chibber") died in 1982. Margaret Ludmilla died in 1991. I, Clinton Truman Francis Robinson, was
born in Corvallis (near Philomath) in 1979. My name was changed by my mother to Clinton Truman Lindsey in 1983. Thank you to
the other posters for all of the great information!
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I have a distant link through the Brailsford side. You might be interested in this website about the Redpath mansion in Montreal. It has a bit of information about the social history of part of the extended family.
http://www.canadianmysteries.ca/sites/redpath/home/indexen.html
Liz
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What an interesting thread. As a former McGill student, the names Redpath and Roddick are as familiar as my own.
I just spent an hour reading the Mysteries website (instead of doing laundry, imagine :)). Alas, the Interpretations section is password-protected :P :P :P
I must have walked past that mansion a hundred times without seeing it.
Cheers,
China
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On the subject of Brailsfords, have you seen the following: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BRAILSFORD/2006-10/1161830302
I'm not sure that it is all correct
The Redpaths are covered extensively in two books - A Gentleman of Substance and Redpath, History of a Sugar House - both by Richard Feltoe.
Jan
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Thanks, I have seen that link through the Brailsford message board, which has put me in touch with two fairly near relatives, and lots of more distant ones.
I was curious to find out how A W Brailsford, of England, met and married Alice Jane Taylor of Montreal. What I found was that there was already a link between the families. A W Brailsford's mother was Mary Hannah Wood, the sister of Peter Redpath's wife, Grace Wood. Alice Taylor's mother was Peter Redpath's sister, Mary Redpath (who married Thomas M Taylor). In a document I found online called The Redpath Tracts, it said that Peter Redpath was sent to Manchester in 1837, when the political situation in Canada was a bit unstable, for his education and also to learn a bit about business. He worked for William Wood of Bowdon (near Manchester), a manufacturer, and the father of Mary Hannah and Grace. There appears to have been quite a bit of travel back and forth across the Atlantic.
As a matter of interest, William Wood gained some fame for campaigning against sending small boys up chimneys to clean them.
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3 Mary Drummond Brailsford (1883 - 1968?) also had a daughter Isabella de Castro Woodburn (b1910) who married Richard W M Macalpine and they appear to have had two sons. Mary's son Alfred married Audrey Bateman-Champain in 1937 and they had a son and a daughter. It appears that Alfred and Audrey were murdered in South Africa in May 1980. Alfred was awarded the MC for his actions in Burma in 1944. There are further descendants.
Isabella was my grandmother and they did have two sons and 4 grandchildren of which I am one. I am the eldest of their eldest son, unfortunately my father passed away on the 31st May 2014 while his younger brother, my uncle, remains. Feel free to PM me if you would like more information.
Regards
Edit: I should add that I believe it was my uncle Christopher Basil MacAlpine who was murdered in South Africa, who received the MC fighting with Gurkhas against the Japanese and who is my namesake.
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Your PM inbox appears to be full. I was referring to Alfred Basil Brailsford Woodburn who was awarded the MC.
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Hi there.
Alpinemac needs to have at least 2 posts in order to access the PM (private message) system (RootsChat policy). A post to simply say "Hi" should suffice.
PB
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Indeed, thank you Polarbear. I have emailed the link to my uncle who has a better grasp on our shared history and may even post. You are right, my namesake is the son of Alfred I believe, apologies, a long day at a new job in a new sector. Turns out he has visited that side of the family in the last few weeks.
Edit: A little nugget from my childhood. I was told that Great Uncle Alfred, hmmmm, great great uncle I suppose, would say that when he was in Burma the Gurkhas would take in a new British officer and teach him the basics from how to tie his bootlaces to the more complex skills of infantry warfare in the junkle. Important because when reconnoitring a Japanese camp they would approach the sentries crawling slowly, feel the laces of his boots and if they weren't tied a specific way they would use their Khukuri. Handy way to rid yourself of a problematic officer I would imagine.