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I am looking for maiden name of Sarah Brown.
She married Thomas Brown in the dec quarter 1859 in Wigton, Cumberland (10b 666)
Have looked on ancestry and Free BMD site but there is no Sarah listed, according to the 1871 census she was born in wigton in 1836.
A bit stuck here can anyone help?
Carol
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Hi,
I don't know where you got the marriage from but the names on Fndmypast are: Thomas Brown and the following:
GRAHAM, Ann
ROPER, Mary
GLAISTER, William
Which explains why there is no Sarah. There are Sarah and Thomas's 1863 and later for Cumberland.
Regards Norma
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I am looking for maiden name of Sarah Brown.
She married Thomas Brown in the dec quarter 1859 in Wigton, Cumberland (10b 666)
Have looked on ancestry and Free BMD site but there is no Sarah listed, according to the 1871 census she was born in wigton in 1836.
A bit stuck here can anyone help?
Carol
From Freebmd:
Marriages Dec 1859
Brown Thomas Wigton 10b 666
Glaister William Wigton 10b 666
Graham Ann Wigton 10b 666
Neilson Elizabeth Wigton 10b 666
Roper Mary Wigton 10b 666
There is no Sarah as Norma says.
What leads you to believe that Thomas Brown married a Sarah in Dec 1/4 1859 in Wigton?
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From Freebmd:
Marriages Dec 1859
Brown Thomas Wigton 10b 666
Glaister William Wigton 10b 666
Graham Ann Wigton 10b 666
Neilson Elizabeth Wigton 10b 666
Roper Mary Wigton 10b 666
There is no Sarah as Norma says ...
... and there should be only two women on the page. :-\
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Sorry think I am getting confused here.
Am looking for the marriage details of Thomas Brown and his wife Sarah. With them both being born and living in wigton I presumed the Thomas Brown married in 1859 in wigton was the one but obviously not.
They were living in 52 Burnfoot, Wigton in 1871 census but their first child Joseph was born in 1856 so I need an early date I think.
Thanks for trying.
Carol
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These ones in 1861?
Old Lane, Wigton
Thomas BROWN 27 Tin Plate Worker, Wigton
Sarah 25 Carlisle
Joseph 4 Carlisle
Hodgson 2 Carlisle
Mary Jane 6m Cartlisle
Perhaps the census clerk got carried away with his dittoes. All of those kids were bap at Wigton.
There were a couple of Sarah HODGSONs bap at Carlisle in mid 1830s :)
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Yes thats them, I have found a Sarah Braithwaite possibly marrying a Thomas Brown in 1851 in Carlisle.
Looking into that idea now.
Oh I do love this!!
Carol
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Yes thats them, I have found a Sarah Braithwaite possibly marrying a Thomas Brown in 1851 in Carlisle.
Looking into that idea now.
Oh I do love this!!
Carol
She married James SAVAGE (see IGI)
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Hi
I the couple married in Wigtown, this is Scotland so will not appear of BMD records for England and Wales. I doubt the Scottish records BMD are online
Linda
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Thanks for that, just have to keep searching.
Carol
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Hi,
There is this marriage in Wigton which is not in Scotland at this time.
BROWN, Thomas
Registration District: Help Wigton
County: Cumberland
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: Help 25
Page No: Help 187
MarriageFinder™: Thomas Brown married one of the following people
COULTHARD, Sarah
MOORE, Mary
BRAWN, Thomas .
BUSHBY, John
It is spelt Brown on the original copy it has been transcribed wrong.
Regards Norma
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Hi
There was Thomas Brown married 3rd quarter in 1853. The record has a name missing and according to family search he didn't marry either Elizabeth or Nancy. Could this be a possibility? Not too far from Wigton.
BANKS Thomas Cockermouth 10b 451
Brown Thomas Cockermouth 10b 451
CHAMBERS Nancy Cockermouth 10b 451
HARKER Elizabeth Cockermouth 10b 451
SWINDLE George Cockermouth 10b 451
Could just be a double transcribe?
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There was Thomas Brown married 3rd quarter in 1853. The record has a name missing and according to family search he didn't marry either Elizabeth or Nancy. Could this be a possibility? Not too far from Wigton.
BANKS Thomas Cockermouth 10b 451
Brown Thomas Cockermouth 10b 451
CHAMBERS Nancy Cockermouth 10b 451
HARKER Elizabeth Cockermouth 10b 451
SWINDLE George Cockermouth 10b 451
There should only be four names on a page (from 1852) :)
I think Thomas BROWN was 10b 456
This could give a possible Sarah JONES
Marriages Sep 1853
BROWN Thomas Cockermouth 10b 456
JONES Sarah Cockermouth 10b 456
RALPH John Cockermouth 10b 456
WHITELOCK Agnes Cockermouth 10b 456
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Hi
I the couple married in Wigtown, this is Scotland so will not appear of BMD records for England and Wales. I doubt the Scottish records BMD are online
Linda
Well, how about Scotland's People?
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&402
It's pay-per-view but a lot more information on Scottish records.
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Family search is showing Agnes Whitelock marrying Thomas Brown in 1853.
I think its more likely that as Thomas was born in Wigton in Cumberland, the census would seem to confirm that, the marriage would take place in somewhere in Cumberland, but of course nothing is beyond the realms of possibility.
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I am pretty sure Thomas was born in Wigton, I have found him in the 1861, 1871, 1891 census and it looks like Wigton, Sarah was born in Carlisle although in one census she says she was born in Wigton.
The 3 oldest children Joseph, Hodgson and Mary Jane were born in Carlisle while John, Annie, Catherine and Sarah were born in Wigton.
Their daughter Annie married John William Holdsworth in Wigton but John died in cockermouth so there could be a cockermouth connection.
Sarah Jones could be a contender.
Carol
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The 3 oldest children Joseph, Hodgson and Mary Jane were born in Carlisle ...
Sarah Jones could be a contender.
The first three kids were bap in Wigton ... and 1871 says they were born there so probably not born in Carlisle - indeed
Births Sep 1858
BROWN Hodgson Wigton 10b 418
I'm afraid Sarah JONES is not really a contender because, as steelos-mrs found, that Thomas BROWN married Agnes WHITELOCK. :-\
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The 3 oldest children Joseph, Hodgson and Mary Jane were born in Carlisle ...
Sarah Jones could be a contender.
The first three kids were bap in Wigton ... and 1871 says they were born there so probably not born in Carlisle - indeed
Births Sep 1858
BROWN Hodgson Wigton 10b 418
I'm afraid Sarah JONES is not really a contender because, as steelos-mrs found, that Thomas BROWN married Agnes WHITELOCK. :-\
Well wouldn't the next logical step to be to purchase this birth certificate. You will then discover Sarah's maiden name - at least if you know her surname you'll have something to follow up.
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Hi
If you can hold off for a day or two I'll have a look at the Wigton baptisms and marriages in the church records in the archoives when I'm in at the start of the week.
I did look in the Wigton RC marriages online to 1856 and they're not there.
Best wishes
:)Emms :)
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Thank you Emms for that, where are the wigton records kept?
That would be very helpful.
Carol
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Yes Emms where are those records online? ???
I'll be in Whitehaven RO on Thursday (and maybe Carlisle on Friday). :)
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Hi Carol and Goeffe
Sorry, I should have put a link!
As far as where the Wigton records are kept, the original parish records are in Carlisle, but there are copies of all the Cumbria parish registers on film in Carlisle and Whitehaven. Also films of Westmorland BT's in Carlisle.
Not sore offhand how much is in Kendal and Barrow as they're Cumbria but originally in Westmorland and Lancashire.
I'll find the link for the Wigton RC register and put it in another post.
There are also some for the Parish Church and the cemetery but they don't have your dates for the parish church.
When I lose the link I always look in the resources for the relevant Rootschat county board.
best wishes
Emms :)
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Hi RC records here
http://www.cumberlandroots.co.uk/WIGCATH.htm
Emms :)
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Hi List for Wigton on here
http://www.cumberlandroots.co.uk/page4.html
and full list for Cumberland Roots on here.
http://www.cumberlandroots.co.uk/
Good starting point!
Emms
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Thanks Emms :)
I had WigCEM, WigBUR and WigMAR but not WigCATH ::)
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Hi Goeffe
You're welcome
Maybe they've added it more recently.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Update on Sarah Brown's maiden name.
I sent for Hodgson Brown's birth certificate.
I think her maiden name reads Lowry, anyone agree with this?
Also Thomas was a Tin Plate Worker with Master underneath it, does this mean he was in charge?
Carol
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Also Thomas was a Tin Plate Worker with Master underneath it, does this mean he was in charge?
Yes, I agree with LOWRY but can find no marriage ???
"Master" implies that he had served his apprenticeship as a Tin Plate worker and now had some apprentices under him.
I can see her (I think) in 1851
King St. Wigton
Henry JORDAN ?? Weaver, Wigton
Mary (wife) 21 Wigton
Richard (father,wid) 58 Weaver, Wigton
Sarah LOWRY (niece) 16 Weaver, Carlisle
JORDAN marriage http://tinyurl.com/3sqkame
Perhaps 1841
Gray Stone Cottage, Botchergate
John LOWRY 30 Joiner
Isabella 30
Robert 5
Sarah 3
Richard 1
Baptism http://tinyurl.com/3ffmbru
Marriages Dec 1837
LOWRY John Carlisle 25 49
MAXWELL Isabella Carlisle 25 49
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No I cannot find a marriage either.
Maybe they did not marry, or married later on.
Thanks for the information on her whereabouts though.
Could you tell me what a hair draper was please Geoff?
Carol
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Could you tell me what a hair draper was please Geoff?
It's a "long s" usually used when there was a "double s" at that time.
Hair drefser = Hair dresser :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s
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Thanks Geoff.
Found a Sarah Lowery living with a Richard, Elizabeth, Henry Jordan in 1841, living in Hudson Court, Wigton, possible do you think??
Richard was a cotton weaver.
Carol
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Thanks Geoff.
Found a Sarah Lowery living with a Richard, Elizabeth, Henry Jordan in 1841, living in Hudson Court, Wigton, possible do you think??
Richard was a cotton weaver.
Carol
Looking very good I should think :)
Living next door to my SHERRARD ancestors! :)
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I am still trying to find the parents of Sarah Lowry, she was living with Richard, Elizabeth & Henry Jordan in wigton in 1841, and living with Henry Jordan, his wife Mary and his father Richard, she is down as Henry's niece, in the 1851 census, Henry seems to have 3 sisters, Mary, Sarah & Elizabeth but known of them married a Lowry that I can find. Henry's wife was Mary Anderson but I cannot find a connection there either. Has anyone any other options that I have not thought about?
Carol
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Have found that a James Lowry was buried at the Holy Trinity Church in Carlisle on 3rd august 1839, and a Sarah Lowry was buried at Stanwix, Carlisle on 6th august 1839, probably just a coincidence but possibly Sarah's parents, not sure how to check this.
Carol
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I am still trying to find the parents of Sarah Lowry, she was living with Richard, Elizabeth & Henry Jordan in wigton in 1841, and living with Henry Jordan, his wife Mary and his father Richard, she is down as Henry's niece, in the 1851 census, Henry seems to have 3 sisters, Mary, Sarah & Elizabeth but known of them married a Lowry that I can find. Henry's wife was Mary Anderson but I cannot find a connection there either. Has anyone any other options that I have not thought about?
Carol
Henry JORDAN appears to be the son of Richard JORDAN therefore Sarah LOWERY could be Richard's granddaughter
Richard JORDAN marriedElizabeth ANDERSON 1812: Henry married Mary ANDERSON 1848
There is a burial for Richard LOWERY in Wigton in 1840
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THank you for that.
I do not live too far away from wigton so I will go and see what is on Richard Lowery's headstone.
Carol
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I do not live too far away from wigton so I will go and see what is on Richard Lowery's headstone.
Carol
I doubt you will find a headstone for an infant, for that's what he was http://members.madasafish.com/~cgrs/WIGBUR.htm
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Thanks Geoff. Think I am going to have to admit defeat with Sarah parentage and her marriage to Thomas.
Thanks for all help.
Carol
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Hi ;D ;D ;D
If this is Wigton Parish Church, most of the head stones aren't standing. Many are laid flat in the pavement and garden or if it's inside many are under the floor covering.
It's a beautiful church though.
if you're local, you might also know that there is a brilliant little book in the library in Wigton. It's one of the old hard back transcripts and covers the old monumental inscriptions with an index.
From that you can find a transcripthe full inscription which I've found brilliant.
You have to ask as it's not on the shelves.
Merry Christmas :) :D ;D :)
Emms
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Thanks for that Emms.
Happy Christmas.
Carol
:)