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Hi
help needed please on finding this family in 1881 and 1891
my GGGF William MILLER was born 7th Jan 1891, registered in Newcastle
Parents:
Henry MILLER b. 1848/58 North Shields
Margaret THOMPSON b.1861 Percy Main, North Shields
Married 1880 (Marriage Cert. Residence Railway Street, Ncl)
I thought it would be easy to find:
Henry & Margaret year after marriage on 1881 census
William as newborn on 1891 census
... but no luck so far.
They were a mining family which moved around the Tyneside pits
The children/siblings are:
Henry b.1883, Hebburn
Peter Brunton b.1885, Hebburn
Thomas Trewick b.1888, Wallsend
Any hits on these would be great - thanks
I will be ordering the Birth Cert for William in due course, which should point to an address in 1891 census
Thanks
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I now have the birth certificate for William MILLER
Born 9.1.1891, Wallsend (Registered Tynemouth)
He was born 12 Birket Street, Wallsend.
When I searched by address on 1891 census the houses only go up to 11 Birket St!! I have searched the houses on Birket St. but no sign of Henry, Margaret. Peter, Thomas and William.
So I feel that the family was in/around Wallsend in 1891 but cannot find them anywhere!!
Can any one find them?
I have since found family names of Brunton and Trewick associated with Margaret but feel that MILLER would have been the name used as they'd been married for 10 years by this census.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
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shopbooth,
The National Archives records tells me that Birket St of Wallsend was recorded on Piece 4221, Folios 20 to 26, and two Pages for each Folio.
The street lay in Wallsend sub-district 4a. Folio 4221 should contain 80 Pages.
Birket St should be on 4221-20-34 to 4221-26-46.
Ancestry "version" contains only 65 "images" of the 80 Pages, so 15 Pages have not been imaged. Up to and including Birket St, nine pages have not been imaged.
These nine missing census pages are
4221-5-3
4221-6-5
4221-7-8
4221-10-13
4221-12-18
4221-19-31
then pages missing for Birket St area..
4221-20-34
4221-24-42
4221-26-45
Perhaps Miller family were enumerated one one of these missing pages, not just in Birket St ?
Have no clever answer for where they were on 1881 census
Michael
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Thanks Michael - I was really thrown by this
Does that mean if I refer to the original census the complete portfolio may be there? - or has it disappeared for ever - I can't believe the cut-off was no.11 Birket St!!
Do you have any ideas where I could access the full set - if it exists?
It would help immensely to track the family in 1891.
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Re 1881 census:
It turns out that they will not be recorded on this census as Henry & Margaret MILLER
I have taken the Miller-Thompson wedding 1880 as the correct one for the last 6 months but couldn't explain the family names Brunton/Trewick in subsequent generations. When I obtained William's bc this week his mother is 'formerly Brunton' and not 'Thompson' as I expected.
I then re-searched for Brunton and found the marriage took place in 1891 in South Shields, Tyneside. I have now ordered this mc.
So the search for 1881 has now shifted to
Henry MILLER b. North Shields 1858ish
Margaret BRUNTON b. Wallsend 1862ish
Always interesting ...!
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I then re-searched for Brunton and found the marriage took place in 1891 in South Shields, Tyneside. I have now ordered this mc.
Are you sure about the date?
The only Margaret Brunton - Henry Miller marriage I can see was in 1882, not 1891.
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shopbooth,
Oh dear, I hope I can explain this clearly. My head swimming with census page reference numbers !
Ancestry (or whoever did the task) filmed the census pages that we can access via Ancestry. The Wallsend Piece of 4221 should I think consist of 80 sides of pages. I say 80 as that is the last numbered page before the records move on to Piece 4222. i.e Piece 4221 Folio 43 Page 80. The first page of the piece is 4221-4-1.
So when 4221-43-80 is shown, Ancestry's image counter shows only number 65, instead of 80, showing 15 images are missing from this Piece.
Within 4221 Piece I think the first missing page or side of page is 4221-5-3. This side is on the frontside of page 4221-5-4. Ancestry has imaged the backside of 4221-5, but not the frontside of 4221-5.
And that is I think the situation throughout- that all the side/faces are there, but not all have been imaged/filmed.
Other census page providers e.g. National Archives. etc, may have correctly filmed both sides of the census sheets/folios.
Michael
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Within 4221 Piece I think the first missing page or side of page is 4221-5-3. This side is on the frontside of page 4221-5-4. Ancestry has imaged the backside of 4221-5, but not the frontside of 4221-5.
Michael: 4221-5- 3 can be seen on Find My Past and the page is completely blank. So is 4221-6-5. I'm going through to see if any others are missing.
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These nine missing census pagesissing pages are
4221-5-3
4221-6-5
4221-7-8
4221-10-13
4221-12-18
4221-19-31
then pages missing for Birket St area..
4221-20-34
4221-24-42
4221-26-45
All 80 pages of piece 4221 pages are on FindMyPast.
Folio 5, page 3 and folio 6, page 5 are both completely blank. However, there are no missing schedule numbers between page 2 and page 4, and page 4 and page 6, so one can only assume that the blanks are pages which should have been used, but weren't.
4221-20-34 is Wanless Street.
4221-24-42 is numbers 9 & 10 Birket Street. 26-45 is 11 Birket Street and 6 Hedley Street. I don't see any Millers on either page.
In the 1881 census the numbering of Birket Street goes from 1 to 27 consecutive. In 1901 it goes from 1 to 27 consecutive + number 30. In 1891 it only goes from 1 to 11. I wonder if the enumerator failed to enter the schedules for 12 to 27 in his book?
Interestingly in 1871 there is a Brunton family living in Birket Street, Wallsend. head of household is Peter Brunton, and there is a daughter, Margaret aged 6. RG 10 / 5109 / 88/ 8
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Hello - thanks to all for contributions :)
The Marriage was indeed 1892 - have become obsessed with 1891!!
The 1871 census spot (thanks for checking Birket St, JenB) was really helpful as Margaret is my GG Grandmother and was not sure if she was born to Thomas Trewick (Margaret's first husband) or Peter Brunton. The census points to 1864/5 and now I have the baptism record off Fam search of Sep 1864 with Peter as father. Thomas Trewick death was 1862 so I think Peter Brunton is my GG Grandfather - and Margaret was the first of his 19 children by 2 wives!
Have been in touch with Register Office but no birth record for 1863-66 - thought might not have been registered if Margaret & Peter not married.
Can anyone find birth (Margaret) or marriage (Peter BRUNTON & Margaret TREWICK/HESLOP 1862 onwards)?
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Is there any way from baptism transcription records to identify the church involved? - the records on FamSearch have WALKER as baptism location but no church mentioned.
Is it a case of a trip to the Records Office and checking each church in Walker? - no idea how many there are
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Have just found marriage Peter BRUNTON & Margaret Heslop 1866 - fantastic! All coming together - gradually...
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A lot of the church records on the Fam Search site seem to be non-conformist ones, well I have found many of my family in them in Northimberland.
Genuki has a list of all the churches in Longbenton (of which the Walker ones seemed to belong): http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Longbenton/ChurchRecords.html
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Have been in touch with Register Office but no birth record for 1863-66 - thought might not have been registered if Margaret & Peter not married.
What about Margaret Branton, 2nd q. 1864, Tynemouth 10b, 126
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Is there any way from baptism transcription records to identify the church involved? - the records on FamSearch have WALKER as baptism location but no church mentioned.
Is it a case of a trip to the Records Office and checking each church in Walker? - no idea how many there are
The IGI gives the baptism at Walker Parish Church (which I think is Christ Church, Walker).