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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Striker69 on Tuesday 06 September 11 20:58 BST (UK)
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Looking for information on the Quarney or Quirney Family who according to the 1911 Census lived at Santry Demesne.
In particular I am looking for details on Frances Quarney or Quirney, born 1903 who I believed may have had at least five children (Patrick William, Charles Samuel, Pansey, Ann [Queenie] and Frank) between 1925 and 1930 to a Patrick Lawson (my grandfather).
They lived at 35 Suir Road from the mid-30s to the mid-40s. I think Frances may have died in or around 1944 or 45.
Also, the family folklore suggests the Frances' son, Patrick William Lawson (born 1925) served in the RAF joining in 1946. How can I confirm this.
Any help or suggestions appreciated.
Striker69
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Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 for Frances Quirney
name: Frances Quirney
registration district: Dublin North
event type: BIRTHS
registration quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1903
volume number: 2
page number: 428
Only one given in https://www.familysearch.org/
This would give her parents address and fathers occupation in 1903, if it is the right Frances.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra_Rural__Part_of/Santry_Demesne/26727/
Says she was born in Co. Dublin
See::
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/airmanraf.htm
for info about RAF.
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An Edward Quarney married Martha Cobbe in Abbeyleix, which fits in with the Queen's Co. birthplace for Edward and Martha in the 1911.
Martha Cobbe
registration district: Abbeyleix
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: Jan - Mar 1890
volume number: 3
page number: 291
Sorry if you have this info already, but it may be of use to someone else. Source again familysearch.
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And here from familysearch.org are Martha's birth record and her parents' marriage, including names of her grandfathers.
Name: Martha Cobbe
Birth date: 04 Sep 1865
Birthplace: Emo, Queens County
Ref.: 0577
Parents : Charles Cobbe & Susan Franklin
Groom: Charles Cobbe
Bride: Susan Franklin
Marriage date: 19 Nov 1864
Page place: Lea, Queens Co.
Groom's father: Charles Cobbe
Bride's father: William Franklin
www.rootsireland.ie has also a baptism for Martha in 1890 as well as her marriage that year to Edward Quarney. The baptism seems to have been to convert to Catholicism before marrying Edward. Charles and Susan are CoI per 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Queen_s_Co_/Emo/Killimy/1648185/
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Thanks for the information.
Striker69
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Re your enquiry. I think I may be related to Frances Quarney. Have been doing some research over the past while. What is your connection to her?
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Hi Fieldstar
Great to hear from someone who might be related to Frances Quarney.
I'm going to type up a reply off-line and get back to you before the end of the day.
Don't go away.
Striker69
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Hi Fieldstar
First of all I would like to say I’m delighted you are taking the time to correspond with me regarding possible connections between our ancestors. I will hopefully be able to confirm your research and clarify some of the mysteries surrounding our respective families.
Likewise, you might be able to shed light on my own research and I hope we have an open and frank exchange of information, whilst confident that we will both keep anything we share private and for immediate family only.
My grandfather, Patrick Lawson born in 1891 In North Dublin Inner City to a Samuel and Catherine Kane. Patrick grew up as an only child, became a slater (like his father) and got heavily involved in the Citizen Arm, IRA, IRB and Free-State Army during the War of Independence and Civil War (He took a limited role in the 1916 Rising building barricades).
His army pension records state that he was married to a Margaret Moore in 1914 and they had one son, * Lawson (still alive and living in Drimanagh - his grand-daughter contacted me last year from Canada to confirm the family connection. Patrick and Margaret separated in the early-20s, because each took opposing sides in the Civil War (she the Republican and he the Pro-Treaty). Margaret Lawson died in 1945 and this was confirmed by my distance cousin in Canada.
Now I’ll step forward a bit to my family connection to Patrick Lawson before I get to Frances.
In 1945, Patrick Lawson married my grandmother, * Byrne (still alive), then 16. He was in his mid-50s. They lived in Mourne Road, Drimanagh (still there) and they had three children, my mother and my two uncles.
Patrick Lawson died in 1973 and all I remember of him was of an old man sitting in a chair, smoking. He is buried in Glasnevin Cemetery with his parents.
Patrick and Frances
Now the family folklore (that is my mother’s and uncles recollections) state that Patrick was married to a Frances Quirney (Quarney) and that she died, naturally before he married my grandmother. My mother recalls that they had four children (Patrick, Pansey, Ann (Queenie) and Frank). Now I think I found a Charles Samuel born before Patrick, but died as an infant and Queenie who died in 1944 (I have the death notice). They lived in 35 Suir Road, Kilmainham (the Dublin City electoral register confirms a Patrick and Frances Lawson lived there from the late-30s to 1945).
Reference Frances’ own parents, they lived in Santry Demense (found them in the 1901/1911 census).
Growing up in Mourne Road, my mother recalls her father’s children to Frances (*, * and *) calling to the house on a few occasions during the 50s, 60s and Pansey was to only surviving child to attend her father’s funeral in 1973.
Regarding their own lives, * I was told joined the RAF in 1945 or so and married the daughter of the Belfast Post Master of the Royal Mail. Now I found a * Lawson mentioned a number of times from the early-60s to the early-70s in the London Gazette. He received the Air Force Medal and promotion to officer rank, before retiring in the early-70s. He was born in 1925, so could still be alive, though I have yet to confirm his RAF record. My mother told me that he couldn’t attend his father’s funeral because of the nature of his work in the RAF . She remembers * calling on his father in Mourne Road in the early-60s with his two children and wife and bringing his father out for tea in Dublin City.
* I was told moved to England and married a doctor of either Indian or Pakistani origin and they had children. Again, I have no contact with her.
* was the youngest of Patrick and Frances’ children. The story goes that he moved to the US, married and had children. The story goes that Frank’s family died in a plane that crashed into the Hudson River, New York State. Again, I have not confirmed this.
Most of the information above I have gathered (and continued too) over the past few years. When starting the research, I was hoping to contact a member of Frances’ extended family. So when I was contacted last year by Joseph Lawson’s grand-daughter, I was surprised and apprehensive at first. But, I did confirm her connections through my grandfather’s army records.
So really what I am looking for are details (folklore or fact) on Patrick’s relationship with Frances. Where they lived, married, when she died and her extended family, if any?
Anyway, I know it’s a lot to take in, but if we have a shared past, then together we might put some ghosts to rest.
Personally, I am very proud of my grandfather, especially his record in the revolution. I am also very aware that some of the material I’ve unearthed already is upsetting to members of my family. I am doing this not for profit or personal gain, but to let my own children know where they come from.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Striker69
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Hi striker 69
That's an awful lot of information to digest. I need to take time to go through it and put connections together. I'll be back to you as soon as I can.
Thanks a million. :)
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Hi.
First time poster. I am following this thread with interest. I am a grand-nephew of Frances Lawson. What I can contribute is a photograph of the grave of Frances Lawson and her daughter Queenie, in Mount Jerome Cemetery in Dublin, if you are interested. I generally pay a visit there every year or so.
There are family of Frances Lawson still living in Dorset in England, so do be aware of that as well.
Only figuring out this website for the moment, there seems to be no PM function, perhaps because I am new. I will come back when I have more time.
KD.
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Received your PM Striker69, cannot reply until I have three messages up.
Just to note that year of death for Frances Lawson was 1997.
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Hi Guys,
My research shows Frances Quarney to be my Grandmother. Anyone out there want to swap stories?
Gerard
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Gerard
I have been exchanging material reference Frances Quarney for over a year now with a nephew of hers. My connection to her is that my grandfather, Patrick Lawson was in a relationship with her from the mid-1920s to the mid-1940s, before Patrick met my own grandmother. I know Patrick and Frances had a number of children together. Which one is your parent...
Striker69
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Thanks,
Patrick Lawson & Frances were my paternal grandparents. I'm interested in finding out more about their children. Any idea how we can exchange info privately?
Also, I have a DoD of 14 June 1973 for Patrick Lawson, but can't find a DoD for Frances.
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Leinster Moderator
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Frances and Patrick were my grandparents (Frances died in London on 20.10.97) and their daughter Pat (Pansy) was my mother. My parents lived in Dorset and my mother died in 2018.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
A couple of links for others reading-
.......looking for details on Frances Quarney or Quirney, born 1903.......
Born 22nd April 1903. MMN Cobbe
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01869/1727969.pdf
An Edward Quarney married Martha Cobbe in Abbeyleix.......
Marriage on 7th January 1890 in Abbeyleix RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10693/5897591.pdf
KG
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Frances and Patrick were my grandparents (Frances died in London on 20.10.97) and their daughter Pat (Pansy) was my mother. My parents lived in Dorset and my mother died in 2018.
Hi there, we are second cousins. I remember your mother and grandmother. I only met your mother once, but my own mother corresponded with her for years, and they were great friends. My mother is still alive, living in Dublin. I have done a lot of research on our family tree, which you are most welcome to share. I think you need three posts on this forum before you can send or receive a private message. I don't want to post private details on the public forum. Lovely to hear from you, and would love to correspond. Nigel.
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1911 census
House 11 in Santry Demesne (Drumcondra Rural, Part of, Dublin)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000032610/
Mary Quarney married John Brangan in 1930. She was living at Santry Demesne and her father Edward, a labourer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09039/5270847.pdf
This was probably the marriage of William Quarney to Elizabeth Colohan in 1927. One of the witnesses was Mary Quarney.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1927/09104/5293323.pdf
Susan Quarney married James Brady in 1916. Frances Quarney, her sister was one of the witnesses.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09779/5549488.pdf
KG
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Hi there
Very good to hear from you and yes, I would be very interested in finding out more about the family tree/history. It is lovely to correspond
David
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Frank Lawson (also known as Francis, or Tracey lawson) is my grandfather. Frances Quearney is my great grandmother.
Frank went missing in 1968 and we are desperate to find him or any children he may have had. He has a living daughter so if anyone has any information please let me know.