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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: alirobbie on Tuesday 06 September 11 15:49 BST (UK)
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Hello, I was wondering if anyone has any information on what happened to these two brothers, Toyne and Robert Almons (or Almonds), who were both in Spilsby Workhouse on the 1851 census. Toyne was baptised 12 Apr 1836 at Wainfleet All Saints, and Robert was born about 1838, at Skegness I think (or around that area). Their mother was Susanna Almonds, who in 1851 and up to her death in 1860 was with a Francis Howsam. In 1851 Susanna and Francis are in Skegness, with some of her other (illegitimate) children. The last trace I can find of Toyne and Robert is the 1851 census. I can't find any marriage or death records for either of them. Any further information would be brilliant. Many thanks :)
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Hi there,
If my father's research is correct Robert signed up for the army and ended up in India. He left India in the early 1900's and emigrated to Tasmania.
We have not been able to find any mention of Toyne.
Do you have any information on these boys or their relatives?
J
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Hello Jodes :) Good to hear from you.
It seems as though your father's information is agreeing with subsequent information that I have found since posting this original message. I have come to the conclusion that Robert joined the army, went to India and subsequently settled in Tasmania. Sadly, I also have been unable to find anything else out about Toyne, I wonder if he too joined the army and died.
I have quite a lot of information about Robert and Toyne's mother, Susanna, including where she's buried. I am descended from one of her brothers, but she has always interested me. Are you directly descended from Susanna, or one of the other Almons? It would be great to share information. Look forwards to hearing from you!
Best wishes :)
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Hi alirobbie,
By coincidence I just found a Fanny Toyne in my Harrison family and was wondering if there is any connection to your family, seeing that Toyne is an unusual first name.
Fanny was born in Spilsby about 1836. I think she is the Fanny Toyne, 5 yrs old, living at Bullsyard, Spilsby with Robert and Eliza Handy on the 1841 census.
Just thought I would ask in case any of these names crop up in your family as well?
regards Janine
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Fanny was born in Spilsby about 1836. I think she is the Fanny Toyne, 5 yrs old, living at Bullsyard, Spilsby with Robert and Eliza Handy on the 1841 census.
Presumably this one http://tinyurl.com/7dyv5lm
and a brother - also "deserted" in 1841 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NG5T-FYT - in fact with TUTTY grandparents. :)
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Hi Geoff, ;D ;D ;D
Hey this is great. Thanks a lot. I had only just found Fanny when I accidentally clicked on this page and saw alirobbies post. That is indeed Fanny's christening and also her brother.
That now explains the 1861 census where Francis Harrison was listed as visiting with the Tutty family in Welton, with his wife Fanny and brother, John.
Now to find out if there is a connection with the Almond family. By the way alirobbie do you have the newspaper articles about Robert Almond in Tasmania? I presume it is your Robert who is mentioned attending the annual dinner for naval and military veterans of Hobart and its vicinity in 1913.
regards Janine
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That now explains the 1861 census where Francis Harrison ... with his wife Fanny
Do you have the marriage?
14 May 1858 at Louth
Francis HARRISON (son of James) to Fanny TOIN (dau of Thurston) :)
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;D ;D ;D
I wish it always fell into place this easily. I have been tracing them going backwards from when they lived in London. I knew the marriage was in 1858 but its great to get the proof. Thanks heaps.
How quirky to accidentally click on a page and see a name you have just found yourself.
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Thurston TOYN died just before registration started, buried at Spilsby 7 May 1837 aged 23.
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Ah this explains why the family was split up. Poor things.
Janine
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Hi alirobbie,
I'm a direct descendent of Susanna, Robert was my great grandfather. I don't know how much you know about him, particularly his time in India but here's a brief summary.
He married twice while in India, the first marriage was to Elizabeth Edwards born at Anfield Barracks. They had four children, two boys and two girls. Elizabeth died at the age of 26. Two years after her death he married Sophia Dickens who was Indo-British and they had five sons. They emigrated to Tasmania in 1909 and Robert died in 1918 in Hobart. Sophia was much younger than Robert and she passed away in 1951.
We have Susanna's siblings as William, Elizabeth, Thomas and John Walls - is this the same as you have?Which one are you descended from?
I have a feeling that Toyne may have died while in the workhouse as Robert never listed him as a next of kin, however, after his initial enlistment in the army he was discharched and went back to Burgh le Marsh but reinlisted not long after.
Looking forward to hearing more about your side of the family :)
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Hi Jodes,
Thanks very much for the information about Robert, I had gleaned a little about his life in Tasmania but only bare facts. I’m grateful for any information you can supply. I am descended from Susanna’s brother William who is my 3x Great Grandfather and marries a lady called Mildred. I don’t know how much information you have on Susanna’s parents; we’ve traced the Almonds back to a Richard Almonds born about 1670 who dies in Addlethorpe, Lincolnshire in 1729. We’ve been unable to find a definite baptism record for him. We have Susanna’s parents as Richard Almonds (1779-1847) and Mary Walls (1787-1831) and her siblings as Jane, William, Elizabeth, Thomas and John Walls. Her father Richard marries again following Mary’s death; Elizabeth Ladley (1796-1842) and appears to have another William and a Matthew.
Susanna seems to have been quite a character, having at least 7 children illegitimately (Toyne, Robert, Mary, Walls, Charlotte, Elizabeth and John), before living with a man (Francis Howsam) as his wife, but never marrying, and having another 4 children (Richard, Susannah, Francis, John). She lived as his wife until the time of her death at Buslingthorpe, Lincolnshire (1860 buried May 19th), when it somehow comes out that they are not married, as the vicar writes a very terse sentence in the parish registers about Susanna passing herself off as the wife of Francis Howsam, and two of her children being baptised under this supposition. Her last child, John, is buried 23 May 1860 at Buslingthorpe as the illegitimate child of Susanna Almonds but is obviously born to her and Francis. Following Susanna’s death, Charlotte and Elizabeth both adopt the surname Howsam, and marry using this surname.
I also wondered whether Toyne had died in the workhouse, however I’ve checked the burial records for the church the workhouse used and also for Skegness, but cannot find a record of his burial, although it is interesting to learn Robert didn’t put Toyne as next of kin, suggesting he had died by the time of Robert’s enlistment.
I look forward to exchanging further information.
Best wishes, Alirobbie
Hi Tigerquoll,
Thank you for your replies. We had speculated that Toyne is a surname and that Susanna, his mother, had taken to naming the children after the surname of their father, as she also has a Walls, although this is her mother’s maiden name. With your Toyne family being in the Spilsby area it is certainly a possibility that the families are connected, and it’s an area I will probably look into in future.
I haven’t seen any newspaper articles about Robert, as I have very minimal information on his life, but would be very interested to see them if you could forward me to the source.
Many thanks for your interest,
Alirobbie
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Hi,
I don't know if it is just co-incidence but Fanny Toyne"s brother Thurston Toyne also went to India about 1857 with the 38th Regiment of Foot and helped quell the "Indian Mutiny" , (UK Military Campaign Medal and Awards Roll). He returned to England sometime in the 1870's.
regards Janine
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Hi,
Here is a link to the Headstone of Robert and Sophia Almond.
http://gravesoftas.dyndns.org/gravesoftas%20new/Cornelian%20Bay%20Live/Church%20Of%20England/Images/C%20Of%20E/DD/1/Almond%20Robert.jpg
Johngirl
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Forgot these obituary notices.
Albert son of Robert and Sophia.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50983565?
Robert Almond
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/11412410?
Ashley Arnold son of Robert and Sophia.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/29180694?
Sophia Almond.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27031609?
Sophia died at St Johns Park New Town.
Johngirl
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Hello Janine, it certainly seems as though there could be a connection between the Toyne and Almond families the deeper you explore. Susanna, Toyne's mother, spent most of her time living around the Skegness and Croft area of the district, her sons Robert and Toyne and daughter Mary were all in the workhouse at Hundleby at some time between 1851 and 1871, I don't know if Susanna herself was ever in the workhouse - she was living with Francis Howsam in 1851 and died in 1860. The army link is very interesting and I will definitely explore the potential links between the two families.
Thanks again for your help. Best wishes Jane
Hello johngirl
Thank you so very much for those links, that is wonderful and much more than I could ever have hoped for when starting this thread. Many thanks to you.
Best wishes, Jane