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Been trying to find William Dangerfield. Tried various searches with no joy.
Grandmother and family always believed he emigrated to Canada.
Having found a passenger list with W. Dangerfield arriving in New York in Nov 21, 1909 on the ship Caronia. His sister is listed as 'nearist relative in UK', E. Dangerfield. The list also shows his destination as far as I can make out 'Los Angeles'.
Born approx. 1875 in Tipton, Staffs, UK.
thanks
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It says he was going to join his uncle W. Robinson, 1047 So. Hill Str., Los Angeles. It's helpful to check the next page of each manifest, as they often have further information.
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California Death Index shows a William Henry Dangerfield. Born 16 May 1865 Other Country and died in Los Angeles 30 January 1953
Mother's Maiden Name was Austin
Father's Surname was Dangerfield
Does this look correct ?
Sandra
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Thanks,
Just been reading all my notes and family tree etc.
Although it appears the above William Dangerfield I've been tracing is my relative because of E. Dangerfiled being listed.
He is 1 of 11 brothers & sisters, Parents James & Annie Glover, my mistake birth is 1875 on my tree, not 1865 and is from Tipton.
Unless he was visiting his uncle for some 17yrs, I've found another list of arriving in Quebec 24 Sept 1920 on ship 'Melita'. Desination - Winnipeg. Which maybe where they believe he did go to Canada.
thanks again
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Canada Ocean Arrivals Form shows - William Henry Dangerfield. Born 1875 Stipton. Staffordshire (thats how it is written) and aged 45 years. Travelling on SS Melita to Quebec and arriving 24 September 1920. Protestant. Gardener. Resides in Canada.
British Columbia Death Record shows:- William Henry Dangerfield. Died 8 February 1947. Aged 72 years in Vancouver.
Son of James Dangerfield and Ann Glover.
Wife Lillian Nelson
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/MN5M-ZKN/p1
Sandra
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Lillian Dangerfield 15 th March 1879 - Father Frederick Nelson and Mother Emilee Fryer died 8 December 1945 Vancouver. British Columbia. Married to William Henry Dangerfield.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/MNP1-B7H/p4
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra,
Found several W H Dangerfields travelling to Canada over some 10 years, but now having your find allows me to further research my Grt. Uncle.
Thank you
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Perhaps you could ask the moderator to move this thread to the Canada board where you may get some further input from the Canadian experts.
Good Luck
Sandra
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Popping in with perhaps a brother also in Winnipeg, Samuel George Dangerfield ...
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=346488
oops just saw it was "Simon" G. born 1881....however I don't see any Dudley district Samuel rin that year range either...
So I think it may have been an error as I believe it is Simon... Here he is in 1911 and he lives with a sister Mary Jane Gilbert
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/View.jsp?id=34598&highlight=11
Gilbert John E. b.Sept. 1883 Eng. arrived 1906
Mary Jane b. Aug 1885 Eng. arrived1910
son John W. Gilbert b. Dec 1910 Manitoba
brother Herbert
Simon G. Dangerfield - Brother-in-law b. Mar 1881 Eng. arrived 1910
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Hi JJ
Yes, it looks like Simon. Poor chap was a Lemon G Dangerfield on the 1891 census ??? and a Simeon in 1901. There is a death record for Simon G Dangerfield Q3 1950 Smethwick. Staffordshire. 9 b 302
Sandra ;)
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Marriages MarchQ. W. Bromwich J 1910 of Mary Jane to John Edward Gilbert
John Wilfred GILBERT Date of Birth: Dec.30 / 1910 Winnipeg http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
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Thanks JJ and Sandra,
Very interesting find.
from my tree, William had a brother Simon G 1881 and sister Mary J 1885. No one knew alot about mary, but I think Simon died here in the midlands not certain about 1950 as I remember him around mid/late 1950's.
Simon and Mary were still with parents in 1901 UK census RG13/2718 page 26 and he also served in 1914-18 WW1.
thanks again
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I found this earlier but had to cook supper:
Marriage March Q. 1901 - William Henry Dangerfield / W. Bromwich / vol 6b p.952 but Lillian is missing from page...
Or was he perhaps married to an Elizabeth first??? 1911 Winnipeg says immigration date 1903
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=34749
an Elizabeth Dangerfield died March 7 Wpg. 1914 age 45
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
She's buried in Brookside cemetery with an Edith nearby....Edith was one year old, so not sure whose she'd be...
http://www.winnipeg.ca/ppd/cemeteries/Brookside/BrooksideDAA_DAO.html
Can't see daughter Doris's birth in 1908 to see last name of Elizabeth...
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Must have retired to the west coast later in life, as he's still in Winnipeg ( North Kildonan) May 3, 1927
page 5: http://www.mmcalumni.ca/v2/docs/nk/North%20Kildonan%20Municipal%20By-Laws%201925-1939.pdf
"To transfer property to William Henry Dangerfield"
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And there is a birthday tribute in the Wpg free press newspaper Aug. 20 1938
W.H. Dangerfield Kildonan, Man. born Tipton Staffordshire Eng. Aug 20 1874
In 1906 Winnipeg Brother-in-law and his brother are living with Wm & Elizabeth
Dangerfield Wm. H. 32 / Elizabeth 37
Herbert Gilbert / Lodger 21 and Jack Gilbert / Lodger 24
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census06/
says both immigrated 1909 but A.O.B. says 1903 for both http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action
speaking of Free Press...this article is by a Dangerfield...scroll down for email address...never know if related somehow
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Human-rights-museum-25M-short-111555479.html
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Corsican June 23 1910
Simon Dangerfield
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e143/e003563348.jpg
earlier on same passenger list Mary Gilbert http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e143/e003563326.jpg
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William is living at 28, Winnipeg Centre, Manitoba (958 Lipton Street) in 1916
William Dangerfield aged 41 years. Born England. Head. Methodist. Immigrated 1902. Gardener.
Doris Dangerfield aged 8 years. Born Man. Daughter.
Lillian Whiteley aged 34 years. Born England. Housekeeper.Anglican. Immigrated 1906. WIDOWED
Couple of years difference in age but could Lillian Whiteley be Lillian Nelson ?
Sandra
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Lillian Nelson's parents living in 22, Springfield, Manitoba (D Y S, 54, Ekildonan) in 1916
Fredrick H Nelson aged 64 years. Head. Methodist. Immigrated 1906. Municipal Ferryman. Born Bradford England.
Emilie Nelson aged 60 years. Wife. Immigrated 1912. Born Leeds. Yorkshire.
Dennis Vivian Cole aged 6 years. Grand-son. Immigrated 1912. Born Leeds. Q3 1910.
Sandra
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Mountain View Cemetery. Vancouver.
Lillian Dangerfield December -08-1945 Location Ref - ABRAY/*/10/036/0002 (524)
William Henry Dangerfield February -08-1947 Location Ref - ABRAY/*/10/036/0002 (524)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ewp/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ewq/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ewr/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ews/ - Edith Dangerfield - Brookside Cemetery
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ewt/ - Elizabeth Dangerfield - Brookside Cemetery
Perhaps you can contact the contributor to ask for a photograph, the inscriptions may tell you a little more.
Sandra
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Well FreeBMD has a marriage SeptQ 1907 Leeds - but the date being out for immigration and see no matching records so far for them on passenger lists...nor death to correspond, so won't confuse by posting full information. She could have married here in Winnipeg, but if so... it isn't transcribed online.
Can't see a second marriage for him, or for her for that matter, for Edith interred near Elizabeth to belong to them....but we have solved enough to see where the family settled, and perhaps a family member may spot this and join in one day...
In the meantime dropping a line never hurt... here are some locals with the surname
http://www.canada411.ca/search/?stype=si&what=dangerfield&where=winnipeg&x=27&y=12
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A William Whiteley from Yorks appeared on a passenger list in February 1907 but that was prior to the 14 August 1907 wedding to Lillian Nelson. Lillian was listed as a nurse on the certificate and William a Boot Manufacturer. Haven't found Lillian (spelt Lilian on the certificate) on a passenger list yet.
William Almond Whiteley also appear on British Army WW1 Service Record - York and Lancs Regiment in 1915. ???
Apologises I forgot to mark Lillian as widowed on that 1916 Census :(
Sandra
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Thanks both,
The info you found is greatly received, I'll have to collate it all over the next few days with my tree.
I do have an aunt in Vancouver from the Keyes side, so I will ask her for some help too.
Thanks again for the help given.
Terry
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Unless he was visiting his uncle for some 17yrs, I've found another list of arriving in Quebec 24 Sept 1920 on ship 'Melita'. Desination - Winnipeg. Which maybe where they believe he did go to Canada.
Why would you assume he visited his uncle for 17 years because of a second passenger list entry? Not all passenger lists or border crossing documents survived so it's very possible he travelled between Canada, the US and England multiple times with no record being available.
an Elizabeth Dangerfield died March 7 Wpg. 1914 age 45
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
She's buried in Brookside cemetery with an Edith nearby....Edith was one year old, so not sure whose she'd be...
http://www.winnipeg.ca/ppd/cemeteries/Brookside/BrooksideDAA_DAO.html
J.J., you have the date backwards for Elizabeth's death. The Manitoba Vital Stats website lists entries as day/month/year and the Brookside Cemetery website lists them month/day/year so Elizabeth died 3 Jul 1914.
There's an article in the Winnipeg Free Press dated 17 Jul 1914 regarding her death (and it does say she died 3 Jul 1914 in the article). There was an inquest held and the jury ruled that Elizabeth had died from the "accidental administration of cyanide of potassium by her husband, William Dangerfield". The article also mentions that William's sister, Mrs. Gilbert had testified. Telboy, if you PM me your email address I will send you a copy of the article.
Jacquie
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Canada Ocean Arrivals Form shows - William Henry Dangerfield. Born 1875 Stipton. Staffordshire (thats how it is written) and aged 45 years. Travelling on SS Melita to Quebec and arriving 24 September 1920. Protestant. Gardener. Resides in Canada.
The passenger list for the Melita is also available and it indicates that he had lived in Canada for 17 years. He's the last entry on the page:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e145/e003612189.jpg
There is a passenger list for the Ionian which departed from Liverpool on 30 Apr 1903 and arrived in Montreal on 10 May 1903 which had a Wm H Dangerfield and wife onboard. The outgoing UK passenger list has his wife's name as Elizabeth while the incoming Canadian passenger list refers to her as Mrs. Dangerfield. The Canadian passenger list indicates they were from Staffordshire and destined for Winnipeg. They are the 7th and 8th entry from the bottom:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e147/e003653673.jpg
Jacquie
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Oh, dear yes, I did get that so wrong, didn't I? Thanks for the correction! I do however, now qualify to work on the cemetery transcriptions, as they are not always in the same order ( some thought month came first, some day) so they had quite the jumble. This may have been rectified, though... ;D J.J.
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Hi all,
Not been here for awhile and sorry for not thanking everyone for their help.
I have been in touch with cemetery in Vancouver and they sent me details of their deaths and location etc..
I shall be on Holiday in Vancouver shortly and they will arrange a marker for me to find where they are to pay my respects while I'm there.
Just been reading the previous posts to catch-up and refresh memory of records found.
** Now I'm not sure whether this puts a spanner in the works but these records:-
William Dangerfield aged 41 years. Born England. Head. Methodist. Immigrated 1902. Gardener.
Doris Dangerfield aged 8 years. Born Man. Daughter.
Lillian Whiteley aged 34 years. Born England. Housekeeper.Anglican. Immigrated 1906. WIDOWED
I recall my grandmother showing me photos of Doris and think she lived in or near Seattle.**
Again thanks all
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Hi all,
Picked up again, to go alttle with my searches.
Can anyone help for Mary Jane Gilbert (Nee Dangerfield) born: 1885, she is already mentioned above living in Winnipeg with John Gilbert and two boys also Simon is living with her in 1911.
Did she ever return to England for good, as I have a Jane Dangerfield born: 1876 which I thought lived here in West Bromwhich into the 1960's.
But a distant family descendant claims Jane died at 12mths. Yet i remember a Auntie as Jane (jinny/Jenny) so was she Mary Jane.
Thanks
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There was a death South Staffordshire fo the son John Wilfred Gilbert born 30 December 1910 and passed away January 1989 - Volume 30 - Page 1156 -
The birth date agree's with the Manitoba birth index for John Wilfred Gilbert. Chances are they all returned to England. Can't see any other census entry other than the 1911.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Sandra
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If Jane was in the West Bromwich area, then this could be a death for husband John E Gilbert in West Bromwich - born about 1884 - March 1940 - 6b 1805
Sandra
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and a Mary J Gilbert born about 1886 passed away March 1961 - aged 75 years - West Bromwich - 9b 1105.
Sandra
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National Probate entry for Mary J Gilbert - died 23 January 1961 Hallam Hospital West Bromwich Staffordshire - probate 7 March 1961 Birmingham to Alfred Archibald Hyde, wages and costs chief clerk - effects £276 14 s - Marys Address 49 Great Bridge Tipton Staffs.
Sandra
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National probate entry for John Edward Gilbert - 11 Kiniths Way West Bromwich Staffordshire. Died 4 January 1940 probate 30 January to John Gilbert (printer) and Alfred Archibald Hyde, commercial clerk. Effects £234 8s
Sandra
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There was a UK return passenger list Montreal to Liverpool arriving 17 July 1915 on the Metagama.
John Edward Gilbert aged 31 years, Mary J Gilbert aged 29 years and John Wilfred Gilbert aged 4 years 7 months.
There were 3 other Gilbert's above them on the list - Florence Gilbert aged 25 years, Sidney 3 years and Reginald 6 months.
Country of last permanent residence - Canada. Country of future permanent residence - England.
All going to 5 Blackhouse Road, Walthamstow London.
Sandra
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Florence was Florence Maud Hitchcock married to Arthur John Gilbert according to anc tree.
4 children - Sidney Arthur Gilbert 1911 - 1988 Reginald George Edward Gilbert 1915 - 195 Nesta F Gilbert 1920 - 2013 Geoffrey Gilbert 1930 - 2013
Sandra