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I’m following a line down from Ann Antill (1812 – 1862) and William Noon (1807 – 1873) to one of their sons, Samuel Noon (b 1839) and his wife Emma Baum (b1841). They are part of the Mountsorrel quarrymen (I’ve got Antills, Waterfields, Baums & Noons) who spread to Trevor in Wales and back.
I can see many of Samuel and Emma’s family in the Keswick area, in particular Henry Noon (b 1861, Mountsorrel, Leicestershire) is listed as granite quarry foreman on the 1901 census, then granite quarry manager in 1911, and living at Blencathra House, Threlkeld
I’ve found a web site for Threlkeld Quarry, so I’m assuming that Henry (and other Noons) worked there, but were there any other granite quarries in the vicinity?
Mountsorrel and Trevor quarries were part of the same company, but were there the same commercial links with Threkeld, or was the move north just(!) part of finding work?
Some of the family also settled in County Durham as quarrymen/sett makers
mareanna
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Was Blencathra House the fever/ TB hospital at that time?
maryd
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http://www.threlkeld.org.uk/ThrelkeldHome.htm
"Keswick & District 125 years ago" - old newspaper articles
regards
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Hi
Blencathra House is by the smaller ordinary quarrymens' cottages, but slightly bigger. It's not where the fever hospital was.
I actually followed an ancestor for a friend who was the predecessor of your man and also lived in Blencathra House - I never decided whether it had always been in the same place.
I think from what yu've said that the house must have gone with the job, and your ancestor must have taken over from my friend's. as a matter of interest, do you know when your man took the job? We're not exactly sure when our man left. He died in Canada where many of the family were.
I took a lot of notes but I'm away for a while at the moment so I don't have them. I'm not so hot on management and the commercial side though. There were other mines but I'm not sure if they werte the same type or what the companies were.
Best wishes
Emms
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Hi Emms :D
So far:
I’ve only got Census information about this branch of Noons. Henry Noon and his family are on 1871 in Alnwick with his father, Samuel, a stone cutter. A long way from their roots in north-west Leicestershire. Next they are in Middleton on Tees and Henry is now old enough to be a sett maker. 1891 Henry is in Keswick (his father is in Penrith) and is a granite quarrier. By 1901 Henry and his family are at Blencathra House and Henry is granite quarry foreman. His son, Wilfred, is granite quarry clerk. 1911 sees them still at Blencathra House and Henry is granite quarry manager, with son Laurence following his father as sett maker. Their peripatetic lifestyle and general society then would add up to them living in rented or tied accommodation. Henry’s father, Samuel, is in Keswick for 1901 & 1911, a granite foreman for both censuses. I’m pondering whether they could have both worked at the same quarry in Threkeld or did Samuel travel to a quarry nearer Penrith where he was in 1891?
I haven’t managed to find Blencathra House from an address search in 1891 from FMYP, so perhaps it was built after then?? From the address search for Threkeld in 1891 there weren't that many granite quarriers. More lead miners instead.
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I don't know if you've seen this http://www.threlkeld.org.uk/picQuarryand%20ValeofStJohn.htm
and http://www.threlkeldquarry.co.uk/
I can only see one quarry in the vicinity of Threlkeld http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=332312&Y=524860&A=Y&Z=115
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Historical Directories (on line) - there is only one reference to Blencathra House.
History, Topography & Directory of Cumberland 1901
Noon, Henry, Quarry Foreman, Blencathra House
Could be newly built or newly named?
regards
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Should add the 1901 Directory includes a description of the Quarries activities
regards
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Hi
fascinating reading thank you every one.
I can't remember the details everyone, as I may have said I'm away from home and don't have all my notes with me.
I do know though, that my friend who's descended from the earlier foreman came up, we went upo to the mine and village, and to Threlkelld and St Johns in the Vale Church.
We looked at various generations of the OS map, including before and after the new road route and also talked to the people in the museum.
We went along the houses with the various census entries and notes.
At the end of it, we decided the only way we could make everything work was if the foreman's house - Blencathra House / Blencathra view had started life at the end of the row of quarrymen's cottages and then a new one had been built and / or some renaming had happened.
The newer house though would fit in with your idea that the house was built more recently.
I'll have a look when I get back but it won't be yet.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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By the way, one thing that became really apparent was that that quarry played a large part in the paving of a huge proportion of the cities of England.
Have fun!
Emms
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See also
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,556759.0/topicseen.html
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I realise that I am coming to this topic very late but just wanted to say that I worked with men from Keswick Granite Company which owned Threlkeld Granite and they made great distinction between being rock men as opposed to stone men. Stone men quarried the like of sandstone, limstone, shale chalk etc while rock men quarried the much harder granites and igneous rocks (rocks that at one time were molten magma deep beneath the surface).
The Noons seem to have followed the granite type rocks and there were quarries of similar stone at Shap (Westmorland) with Shap Granite, Greenhead (Northumberland) with dark grey dolerite, west Cumbria in various small outcrops of the Ennerdale granophyre and over the border in Scotland there were several granite quarries in what is now Dumfries and Galloway.
I went to school with a JAck noon in the early fifties in Carlisle.
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My partner is the Granddughter of Albert Noon b. 4 March 1901 14 Bridge St, Middleton in Teesdale d. 1 February 1972 3 Milbank, Keswick.
Albert married Frances Ellen Nanson 3 November 1923
They had 2 daughters:
Frances Audrey Noon
b. 17 February 1924 Derwentfolds, Threlkeld
d. 28 June 2007 Blackburn Royal Infirmary
Marjorie Paulina Noon
b. 24 August 1926 Threlkeld
d. August 2001 Warrington
Albert was one of 6 children of:
Joseph William Noon
b. 29 June 1876 New Town, Middleton
d. 1 February 1955 Manor Crest, Ambleside Rd, Keswick
Alice Mary Stuart
b. 9 July 1877 Threlkeld
d. 15 August 1958 Keswick
The other children of Joseph & Alice were:
Beatrice b. 1899 Threlkeld (married Robert Holmes)
Annie Alexandra b. 26 June 1902 Middleton in Teesdale d. 1976
(m. Tom McCrossan)
Florence b. 1905 Threlkeld
(m. Jackson Varah)
Edna May b. 2 May 1909 Threlkeld d. 8 April 1941
Margaret b. 2 May 1909 Threlkeld d. 13 June 1980 (m. Frank Asquith)
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Hi,
I'm the great grandson of Beatrice noon, and the great great grandson of Joseph William noon, in the above post.
Very interesting to read.