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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: Kiwicol on Monday 05 September 11 04:19 BST (UK)
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There were some reference to Butlers living at Coscamin/Cuscam/Cuskam parish of Dungarvan, would anybody know how, where this place was, even google comes up with 4 hits to a c1635 event there, but thats it?
Would the people who had the licence to operate the ferry service from Dungarvan have been recompensed when the bridge was built there, and are there any refernces to these ferry services?
In 1761 Peregrine Butler and his brother in law Benjamin Green had released to the the brewhouse and stables in Dungarvan, from the Clarke family, there seem to be a few transactions where Butlers and Clarkes were involved together, wondering if a family connection?
And how big would this brewhouse have been?
Regards Colin
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Hi
I am also very interested in the ferry leases for Dungarvan, Waterford. Particularly interested in who Esther (wife of William Clarke) was. Suspect she was a Roche, perhaps an unrecorded daughter of James "the Swimmer" & first wife Susan Gough. Esther appears to have inherited or exercised rights to operate the ferry, possibly through patent or leasehold stemming from James Roche’s royal grant (Mem Deed 31312 dated Aug 1725). Also mentioned in same Deed is Peregrine Butler, sp. Elizabeth Greene, dau of Benjamin Greene & Mary Roche (confirmed dau of James the Swimmer).
Based on the above, would it be likely that Esther was a Roche descendant?
Chris
NSW
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there is about three records for Peregrine Butler on find my past 1761
also one for Benjamin Green 1761
on the IGP site
http://www.igp-web.com/waterford/land/est.htm
owner is Thomas Ponsonby Carew Esq. 1752 and 1770
1751 and 1770
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on the IGP site
http://www.igp-web.com/waterford/land/est.htm
owner is Thomas Ponsonby Carew Esq. 1752 and 1770
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Hi everyone
Firstly my apologies for the delay in replying to yesterday's comments re my query. I have gone back further in the Memorial Deeds and located one dated 1710 (deed 10026) which features Robert Carew, the younger leasing land in Key Lane, Dungarvan to William Clarke, innkeeper, to be held for the natural lives of William and his heirs & assigns (William Jnr, George & Esther). I have located a reference to William Clarke Jnr of Mitchelstown, Cork in 1731 being a share holder of the Dungarvan ferry which would most likely indicate that the parent who held the ferry lease was deceased by then.
Whilst Carew may have owned the land the inn was located on, it does not look as though he held the Ferry lease, as this would have been awarded to James Roche by William of Orange after the Siege of Derry in 1689. There is evidence to support Peregrine Butler (mother in law confirmed as Mary Roche, dau of James Roche) being involved with the ferry lease as well. A deed dated 1725 (deed 31312) mentions Peregrine Butler, Esther Boate (alias Clarke), William Clarke et al. In light of the 1710 lease, I now believe that Esther Boate was Esther Clarke, dau of William Clarke Snr & Esther ? and not mother Esther.
Unfortunately, based on 2 accepted marriages for James Roche (ie Elizabeth Gough & Elizabeth Hammerton) I cannot reasonably fit Esther into the time line. However, I have located a memorial epitaph referring to James' first wife as Susan. Would this indicate that James had 3 wives? If James married prior to Elizabeth Gough then it is possible that Esther fits into this earlier family line. James died in Dec 1722 at Dungarvan.
I honestly cannot think of any other connection between the Ferry Lease, the Clarke family & Peregrine Butler except through the Roche family. And it certainly makes sense that an innkeeper would want to tap into the crowds using the ferry, so merging the 1710 lease with a ferry licensee (even if partial) would make perfect sense.
Regards
Chris
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Just an additional thought re the legal side of the lease if inherited by a woman. Did this automatically pass onto her husband during this time period or did she retain it by right?
Chris