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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Blinkyman on Monday 05 September 11 00:13 BST (UK)
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Trying to locate " Planetree Hall " from the
1861 census record for the Parish of Tongland.
The 3 preceding locations on the sheet
can all be found on the road north out of
Ringford towards Laurieston, namely Greenhill,
Howford, Glen Tarff, but I cannot find Planetree Hall.
My GG grandmother Agnes Stewart was listed
on the census aged 7 with her family.
She was married in "Ringford" in 1872 by the Church of Scotland
minister of the Tongland Parish Church.
Can anyone suggest a church location?
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Not sure if you have already seen these, but there are some excellent zoomable detailed maps here:
http://maps.nls.uk/os/oneinch_1st_graphic.html
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Does the marriage certificate give a location for the marriage? She may not have been married in a church - perhaps at the Manse or even at her home. A little information here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/KKD/Tongland/index.html#ChurchRecords
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I've just spent ages zooming in on the 6 ins OS map (1842-1882) and found all the places that Blinky mentions but no Planetree Hall so far.
I'll try the larger one but not hopeful :-\
gnu
added - 6 ins OS is the largest scale map for KKD at thst time :(
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I can't see it either gnu ... I thought about looking at earlier maps in case the name had changed but the family still called it Planetree Hall. I have found other 'Halls' but not Planetree. Or perhpas it was so small it wasn't even named on the OS maps?
So do you think Plantree Hall is north or south from Ringford?
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Hi again Ruskie
Sorry,I took myself off to bed! I think that Planetree is to the NW of Ringford - definitely to the West, anway ;D
The description on the cover page doesn't help much either :(
I've had a look at the census sheets to see what came after and the route went ~
Greenhill
Howford
Glen Tarff
Planetree Hall
Barcaple Cottage
High Barcaple Cothouse
High Barcaple Cothouse
High Barcaple Farm House
Barcaple High Lodge
As Barcaple is to the SW of the road, I think the route doesn't follow the road in a direct SE-NW direction but must veer off it. The problem is, does it veer off before or after Planetree Hall. There are quite a few buildings in the Barcaple area so it could be any one of those :-\
Also, in rural areas the route did not necessarily take in adjacent buildings. I had this problem when I was looking at households in Wester Ross a few years ago.
Just realised that I travelled down that road from Lauriston a few years ago!
gnu
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For what it's worth, the header reads
That part of the Parish of Tongland bounded on the East by the Road beginning at Tongland Bridge and running along the Vale of Tarff towards Ringford so far as Meiklewood cottages, from this place to Meiklewood Smithy by a small stream of Water, and thence by the Road running past Woodhead, Balannan, Dunycop (?) and Longwood to where the Parish of Balmaghie begins; on the North by the Parish of Balmaghie; on the West by the Parish of Twynholm and on the South by the Parish of Twynholm, the mouth of the Tarff water and the River Dee. This comprises the Village of Ringford (computed Length about 6 miles , Breadth about 2½ miles)
gnu
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My best guess indicated on this modern map:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ew5/
or just to the south!
gnu
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That's fairly comprehensive gnu. ;) Thanks for the guidance.
It can be really difficult to follow the enumerator's route - sometimes there appears to be no logic to it.
Looking at your list, I think the area you've marked has got to be a good bet. As you say, there are a number of dwellings there ...
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Hi Blinkey and Ruskie :)
I do like to get my teeth into these semi-unknowns ;D so I went looking for young Mary Stewart's birth reg (the only one of the family b. Tongland).
Mary was born on 10th March 1861 at High Barcaple so it looks as if that was where Planetree Hall was.
gnu
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I take my hat off to you all ;)
I've learned some valuable lessons,
particularly, in looking outside the box 8)
Actually drove through Ringford last week for the first time.
Beautiful countryside :)
I'm going to content myself and hazard
a guess that the marriage may have been
conducted in the community hall built in 1861.
Looks like it is still a well used center.
Thank-you, Blinkyman
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Hi Blinkey and Ruskie :)
I do like to get my teeth into these semi-unknowns ;D so I went looking for young Mary Stewart's birth reg (the only one of the family b. Tongland).
Mary was born on 10th March 1861 at High Barcaple so it looks as if that was where Planetree Hall was.
gnu
Excellent detective work gnu! ;D