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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: ellis1813 on Sunday 04 September 11 19:40 BST (UK)
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One of my OH's ancestors was born in 1830 in PreuBen, Hirschberg.
Would this have been part of Poland or Germany ?
Thank you
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it was prussian in 1830.
"Nach der Neugliederung Preußens gehörte Hirschberg seit 1815 zur Provinz Schlesien und war ab 1816 Sitz des Landkreises Hirschberg."
from 1815 - 1919 belonged to province Silesia of Prussia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelenia_G%C3%B3ra
The Province of Silesia (German: Provinz Schlesien; Polish: Prowincja Śląsk; Silesian: Prowincyjo Ślůnsko) was a province of the Kingdom of Prussia from 1815 to 1919; the territory had been conquered from Habsburg Austria during the 18th century Silesian Wars. The provincial capital was Breslau. During the Weimar Republic, in 1919, Silesia was divided into the separate provinces of Upper Silesia and Lower Silesia. The two provinces were reunited into a single province from 1938-41.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia_Province
district Hirschberg:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreis_Hirschberg_im_Riesengebirge
now Powiat Jeleniogórski (Lower-Silesia) in Poland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelenia_G%C3%B3ra_County
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powiat_Jeleniog%C3%B3rski
the town Hirschberg now Jelenia Góra. Poland:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelenia_G%C3%B3ra
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Thank you Carinthiangirl,
Lots to read there.
Debbie x
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http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&sugexp=gsis,i18n%3Dtrue&cp=12&gs_id=3&xhr=t&q=jelenia+g%C3%B3ra&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=572&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
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Thank you so much Carinthiangirl.
Debbie x
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By today's standard the name sounds very German, rather than polish. Probably why it was renamed to that "Jelenia Góra" cited below.
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Hirschberg was the german name when it was Prussia- clear that it got a polish name when it became polish. ;)
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;D Thank you CGirl and Ownpe...So,
Was..Hirschberg, Silesia, Prussia
Now..Jelenia Gora, Poland.
Looking at the maps and reading various links, would this have been Lower Silesia and how would he have travelled to the Uk ?
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correct - Lower-Silesia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Silesia
old map - go into the right corner below, then scroll up to 50° (above it) at right side and you find Hirschberg with the former german name:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/33-51.jpg
he possible travelled by train to the coast in the west of Europe and then maybe with ship - from Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Bremen, Hamburg or so....don´t think it was a habour at the Adria like Genua or so. some possibilities....
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Thank you once again CG,
Unfortunately some of the material will not translate so, will print off what I have and have a good read.
The old map is fascinating...Paulinalno..( I think ) was just below Hirschberg ?
Thank your for mentioning the train journey..I would never have thought of that.
Regards
Debbie
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oh, hard to read - but it means Paulinum:
http://www.freehotels.info/de/hirschberg_im_riesengebirge/11225
it´s an old castle/palace and now a hotel.
http://www.paulinum.pl/
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Thank you for the links CG. There is a gallery on one of the other links that you sent me, what a beautiful place it is.
Still stuggling on how to track his journey to the UK..:(
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no idea if Bremen, Germany would fit and also to find ships for the time this person emigrated to England,
but make attempt and search with the lastname.
there are some destination harbours in England stated like Dover and Bristol:
http://hotel432.server4you.de/passagierlisten/index.php?lang=en&=
here also some lists for Hamburg but don´t know if also for arrivings in England:
http://search.ancestry.de/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1068&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
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Thank you again CG for the links...I have spent days on the Ancestry passenger lists and, no luck as yet !
The Die Maus link is superb, although tricky to navigate but...will keep trying :)
The earliest record I have of him is his marriage in 1857 and as he was born in 1830, think I have a lot of searching to do .
Kind Regards
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for "Die Maus-Link" you must only search by the lastname left side above - or not.
think it´s easy.... :)
maybe he made the journey only by train - apart from the trip across the channel with ferry?