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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: mariona on Saturday 03 September 11 06:18 BST (UK)
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My brick wall is that I cannot find when my 2ggrandfather arrived in Australia. His name was Peter Krygger and according to marriage, death and hospital records in Ballarat Victoria he was born in Antwerp Belguim c1825. He states on his marriage certificate he had a wife and child who died in 1849.
He remarried at Ballarat in 1865 to Isabella Thompson and he died 1878 age 54 and had lived in Australia 27 years.
I would appreciate any help in finding his arrival
Many thanks
Mariona
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Try looking in the paper local where he died or lived in Victoria. Fingers crossed it could give a ship's name if there is an obituary.
What about naturalisation records for Victoria, particularly if he owned a property, he may have had to be naturarised first.
The death certificate's of the first wife and child might have a clue to the ship aswell.
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Hi! Thank you for your reply.
Peter did not own property he was a miner at Ballarat until he became ill, then he worked as a cook, dishwasher, wine seller etc.
I do have his funeral notice which is in German, it's been translated for me, but unfortunately does not give any helpful info. It is possible he was German but all the certificates state he was born in Belguim. I have not found a naturalisation for him, so I presumed it was not compulsary then. And I haven't been able to find where his first wife died, I have checked all the Australian states so probably overseas. The only mention of her was on his wedding certificate.
thanks Mariona
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Hi Mariona,
Have you seen the following site which gives a different spelling of Peter Krygger as Pieter Krijger?
http://mepnab.netau.net/k/k09.html
Regards,
Sashar
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If Peter arrived Victoria c1851 then you may not find a record of his arrival as the unassisted passenger records start 1852. Is it possible he may have arrived as ship's crew and possibly jumped ship?
Peter was declared insolvent in 1874
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0evg/
His surname is consistently KRYGGER on the Victorian indexes. I note that there births in Belgium with surnames CRIJGER and KRIJGER on IGI.
Cheers
Cando
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Mariona, there are quite a few trees posted to ancestry.com.au for the family of Peter Krygger. If you have access, or can get someone you know to contact those relatives they might have the answer for you.
Have you looked at the newspapers on TROVE to see if there is any mention?
Cando - if he is part of a crew, is it possible there might be something on the Australian Mariners Index (not sure if that is the name of site, but I think you will know what I am refering to!)?
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Thank you all for your replies. Many family members for years have searched for Peters arrival - all with no luck. All the web sites on him, start with him in Australia.
Many thought maybe he had changed the spelling of his name but as you say it's consistently spelt as Krygger.
I had found on trove re the insolvency and being a colonial wine seller.
I have his info from Australia but unable to locate his arrival.
again thank-you Mariona
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This index record indicates that Peter arrived in Australia c1853.
KRYGGER Peter 48 years Born Antwerp Miner In Colony 25 years Religion Roman Catholic
Hospital record 24 May 1878
Place 142 South Street
Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913.
Comment - German Association.
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you Cando I really appreciate the info.
I have the Goldfields Hospital index on cd but it does not show that Peter was Roman Catholic or that he had been in Australia for 25 years or German Association. Is there another cd different to the one I have.? It did show he was in hospital on that date, was married, his address etc.
Thank you very very much every little bit helps.
mariona
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I did not take my information from a CD. It is from the Ballarat Hospital Admissions Register 1856-1913. Unfortunately I have no further information.
Ballarat Hospital 1856-1913
The full index contains the following fields: name; age; sex; residence; occupation; religion; admission date; discharge date; birth place; time in Victoria; and who recommended the admission. The full index is published on fiche.
Cheers
Cando
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Thank you once again Cando. I am very grateful for the info
Regards Mariona
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Hi Mariona
My name is Elizabeth Krygger married to Peter Krygger. My nephew has a bible with a lot of names in it going back to 1871. I will list them for you and hope this helps.
Thomas Krygger 1871-1922 (born in Ballarat Victoria Australia)
Elizabeth Hannah Dawson 1873-1944 (born Durham England)
CHILDREN:
Violet May 1892
Thomas 1894
Alice 1896
Parkin James 1898
George Edward 1901 (my husbands father)
Ethel Evelyn & John Robert 1908
Joseph 1906
Richard Con 1909
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Hi Elizabeth
Thank you for your reply I appreciate it, but the Thomas married to Elizabeth Dowson is one of the sons of Peter Krygger who was born Belguim c1824/5.
And its this Peter that I have been trying to find out when he came to Australia.
If you want any info on Thomas siblings please let me know.
Again thank you
Mariona
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Hi Mariona,
We are distant relatives it seems. My Great Grandfather was Parkin Krygger, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Dowson. I was just on the phone to my Grandmother Ellen and she was interested in knowing some information as she did not know her grandfather Thomas, only Elizabeth who Nan says was heavy set and intimidating. I have a photo of Thomas, Elizabeth and the children if you are interested and I'd love to know more. My Nan was of the impression that Peter's name was spelt with an "i" being Pieter. She had also mentioned once about a family theory that the family used to be German but either moved or changed something due to the war!?! I had tried to find out some of this info over 10 years ago but clearly didn't try hard enough. :)
I hope to hear from you,
CJ :)
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Hi CJ
I did reply to your email but haven't heard back from you. Thought I would drop you a line in case you didn't receive it.
Please let me know if you are still interested in the Kryggers
Regards Mariona
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Hi Mariona,
Sorry for my delayed reply, I've got a sick, teething bub and I haven't been online much. I'm definitely interested in knowing more about my ancestors! All going well, I'm hoping to get the photo done for you this week.
I also spoke with my Nan again and she mentioned that she thought that Krygger was at one point "De Krygger" possibly with one "g". Actually, she's pretty sure along that line of questioning.
Looking forward to hearing back from you,
CJ :)
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Hi CJ
My email address is (*) if you want to contact me direct,
I think its easier
Your Nan may be just the person I have been looking for, someone who has insider
information. I came to a brick wall ages ago.
Will look forward to hearing from you
Hope your baby settles down for you soon.
regards Marion
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Do you have an exact word for word transcription of the entire family record?
(or an image file you can share)?
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Welcome to rootschat.
I see you are after information on 3 family bibles mentioned on here, are they all related to you. :-\
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Hi, I cannot see the article you refer to about the family bibles, but I am very interested as Peter Krygger was my gggrandfather, and I have not been able to find anything on his arrival.
If you are able to help I would be most grateful.
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Do you have an exact word for word transcription of the entire family record?
(or an image file you can share)?
Welcome from me too. Yes, Rosie is spot on, our new member has made three posts, across three different threads with mention of family Bibles on those threads.
I notice that a new member back in 2012 made just the one post, and I wonder if that is the post that family.bible.chaser.5 is referring to.... I quote it so, here it is:
Hi Mariona
My name is Elizabeth Krygger married to Peter Krygger. My nephew has a bible with a lot of names in it going back to 1871. I will list them for you and hope this helps.
Thomas Krygger 1871-1922 (born in Ballarat Victoria Australia)
Elizabeth Hannah Dawson 1873-1944 (born Durham England)
CHILDREN:
Violet May 1892
Thomas 1894
Alice 1896
Parkin James 1898
George Edward 1901 (my husbands father)
Ethel Evelyn & John Robert 1908
Joseph 1906
Richard Con 1909
Cheers, JM