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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: DJLee on Friday 02 September 11 17:31 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find out if my Great, Great Grandfather William Lee was a worker on the Dawson Grove Estate Co Monaghan in 1857. The address on the church baptism record for one of his children is Demense gate lodge Cootehill. Addresses for other children are Bawn Gate and Bellamont forest. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated.
Dave
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/gallery/dartrey_a_great_irish_estate_paradise_lost_11444
Has info on this estate, it changed name at some point, and is better known as the Dartry Estate.
There is a Dartry Heritage association:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dartreyheritage/
They may be of help - worth an email, anyway!
The Estate papers are in PRONI.
Google "Dartry Estate Cootehill " for link.
See also:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gchung/coyle/1861census%20Drumgoon%28cootehill%29.htm
Another researcher on Lee in Monaghan:
http://homepage.eircom.net/~leeea/EmanuellMonaghan.htm
For background info.
PM
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http://www.geograph.org.uk/gallery/dartrey_a_great_irish_estate_paradise_lost_11444
Has info on this estate, it changed name at some point, and is better known as the Dartry Estate.
There is a Dartry Heritage association:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dartreyheritage/
They may be of help - worth an email, anyway!
The Estate papers are in PRONI.
Google "Dartry Estate Cootehill " for link.
See also:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gchung/coyle/1861census%20Drumgoon%28cootehill%29.htm
Another researcher on Lee in Monaghan:
http://homepage.eircom.net/~leeea/EmanuellMonaghan.htm
For background info.
PM
Hi Pastmagic,
Thank you so much for the information, it is greatly appreciated.
I found the birth of another child of William Lee. The birth was for James Lee who was born on 13th November 1854 and the address is given as Bellamont Forest and William's occupation is given as a Gatekeeper.
Thanks again.
Dave
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That is interesting! looks like he worked for the Coote's then - an eccentric lot to put it mildly!
Bellamont Forest House has survived, though Dartry is gone.
http://william-montgomery.com/properties/bellamont.htm
This says - "The Gate Lodge is single storey, set within the walls at the entrance to the property. There are six rooms and an entrance hall." So you could try Google maps street view to find it.
"Demense gate lodge Cootehill. " - could this mean Dawson Lodge or Bellamount? There is still the question of Bawn lodge!
I expect that as it was built by such an important architect, there will be surviving documents etc about the lodge. There is a protected structure - Gate Lodge Bellamont House, in the Co. Cavan list which might be it.
PM
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There is a g/stone for a Wm D Lee, Kilmore, d.1902, age 33 and Eliza Jane Lee who died San Francisco 1960, age 96 in the g/yard on Dawson Estate (Ematris)
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Hi hallmark,
Thanks for the information although I have actually taken a photo of that particular headstone in the graveyard at St John's (Kilcrow) church of Ireland. There seems to be quite a few Lee families living in the Dartry area, unfortunately I have been unable to trace any that were related to my lot.
My Great, Great Grandfather William Lee married Mary Jane McKeon from Kilmore West in St John's Church on the 13 July 1852. About 1867, the whole family moved North to Belfast.
Thanks again.
Dave
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That is interesting! looks like he worked for the Coote's then - an eccentric lot to put it mildly!
Bellamont Forest House has survived, though Dartry is gone.
http://william-montgomery.com/properties/bellamont.htm
This says - "The Gate Lodge is single storey, set within the walls at the entrance to the property. There are six rooms and an entrance hall." So you could try Google maps street view to find it.
"Demense gate lodge Cootehill. " - could this mean Dawson Lodge or Bellamount? There is still the question of Bawn lodge!
I expect that as it was built by such an important architect, there will be surviving documents etc about the lodge. There is a protected structure - Gate Lodge Bellamont House, in the Co. Cavan list which might be it.
PM
Hi Pastmagic,
Thanks for the info and links etc.
I knew of the location of Bellamont Forest but I didn't know about Bellamont house !! I just assumed the estate that William worked on was the Dartry estate.
I tried to find a photograph of the Bellamont House gate lodge on Google images, but unfortunately no luck. I think I'll put a post on the County Cavan site asking if anyone has a photograph of the Gate Lodge.
I will try to contact the other "Lee" researcher within the next few days.
Thanks again Pastmagic
Dave (Lee)
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see : Photo of the Gate Lodge of Bellamont House (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,553449.msg4064011.html#msg4064011)
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That photo matches the description of the main gate lodge at Bellamont.
Just noticed there were more than one, according to the wiki article on the house!
Further info about the Coote's at Bellamont etc.
http://www.geograph.ie/photo/1657237
For anyone else looking for Dartry info:
http://www.printspast.com/selected_print.asp?PrintID=993011&Return=pwap1008010006.htm
http://www.briansdesign.com/oaks/index.html
Suggest you contact these people, as they may be able to identify local history sources on the Lee family for you.
Best,
PM
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http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1850/NOV.html
November 21, 1850 Anglo-Celt, Cavan Paper:
MORE ROBBERIES AT COOTEHILL (Extract from this longer piece as follows:
Could this refer to William -7 years before the date you give above.)
ROBBERY OF LEAD. = At an early hour on the same morning (Saturday last) a gate keeper belonging to Richard Coote, Esq., of Bellamont Forest, discovered a sweep and his wife in the act of carrying off a considerable quantity of lead which they had just stripped off the roof of the house lately occupied by Mr. Eyre Coote, J.P., adjoining the church of Cootehill (which verifies the old adage - "The nearer the church the farther from God!") and being armed with a fowling piece he (the gate keeper) arrested them both and delivered them up to the police, and they were committed by the petty sessions' magistrates, on the same day, to the gaol of this town to abide their trials at the ensuing quarter sessions of Bailieborough for the offence.
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http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cavan/1850/NOV.html
November 21, 1850 Anglo-Celt, Cavan Paper:
MORE ROBBERIES AT COOTEHILL (Extract from this longer piece as follows:
Could this refer to William -7 years before the date you give above.)
ROBBERY OF LEAD. = At an early hour on the same morning (Saturday last) a gate keeper belonging to Richard Coote, Esq., of Bellamont Forest, discovered a sweep and his wife in the act of carrying off a considerable quantity of lead which they had just stripped off the roof of the house lately occupied by Mr. Eyre Coote, J.P., adjoining the church of Cootehill (which verifies the old adage - "The nearer the church the farther from God!") and being armed with a fowling piece he (the gate keeper) arrested them both and delivered them up to the police, and they were committed by the petty sessions' magistrates, on the same day, to the gaol of this town to abide their trials at the ensuing quarter sessions of Bailieborough for the offence.
Hi Pastmagic,
It may be him but unfortunately I have no way of knowing. I don't know what year William was born, in fact I know nothing about him before his wedding to Mary Jane McKeon in St Johns Church of Ireland church at Kilcrow on the 13th July 1852, other than his Father was a John Lee from Monaghan and at the time of the wedding both William and his Father are shown as pensioners (Military or RIC I presume but don't know for sure)
Best regards
Dave
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Hi Dave. Is your William Lee connected at all to John Lee b 1810 in Co MoOnaghan, married Jane McCallum, had 7 children, 6 of whom emigrated to New Zealand? Drum, Killeevan, Aghabog, Dawson Grove are all place names known to be connected to these Lees. Any information you can share on Lees in Monaghan would be very welcome.
MJLee
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Hi mjlee
Would one of the 7 children of John Lee, be Jane Lee. I have a relative Jane Lee who married Charles Mccullum in 1851. They came from Dawson Grove.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Dawson Grove demesne and Dartrey House.
From GeoHive National Townland and Historical Map Viewer, choosing the Historic 25" map 1887-1913 from the Basemap Gallery.
https://arcg.is/0GL1uq0
Dawsongrove Demesne
https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/dartree/ematris/dawsongrove/dawsongrove-demesne/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5640734#map=13/54.0868/-7.0514
Dartrey archive (D3053) held in PRONI.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/introduction-dartrey-papers
KG
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Hi mjlee
Would one of the 7 children of John Lee, be Jane Lee. I have a relative Jane Lee who married Charles Mccullum in 1851. They came from Dawson Grove.
John and Jane Lee had a daughter Jane, but she married a Mills here in NZ. Perhaps your Jane Lee was his sister.
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Dawson Grove demesne and Dartrey House.
From GeoHive OSi National Townland and Historical Map Viewer, choosing the Historic 25" map 1887 1897-1913 from the Basemap Gallery.
https://arcg.is/0GL1uq0
https://arcg.is/jOf8y