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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: rainybell on Friday 02 September 11 00:40 BST (UK)
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any information appreciated, on Joseph ROSE and MaryannWELSH. Joseph ROSE was in Illchester goal 12th April 1836, ref q/agi15/3, was transported to Tasmania 15 Nov 1836 for life circa 1814, states he was single and that it was his mother that came to see him in goal. Maryann WELSH was in goal 5th Jan 1838, and again 1840 Dec 31st , she was transported to Tasmania June 1841 for 15 years, Maryann circa 1814. Maryann and Joseph married 14th Aug 1844 in Launceston. Know details over here in Australia, but nothing more of them in England. Its not much to go on but would appreciate any help
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Possibles here.
http://www.freereg.org.uk
What were their ages at death?
Have you traced the court proceedings?
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Maryann died 6th April 1853 Tasmania--Joseph died 2 nd Nov 1882 Tasmania. Have only their convict records, and they give why they were sent to Australia.
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Ages would have helped pin down birth dates.Court details may have included parents names etc.
Handy site for Somerset.
http://www.wsom-opc.org.uk/
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thanks for your suggestions Warncoort, when they were married Aug 1844 Joseph age is given as 30, so that would make his birth 1814, I put wrong date for Maryann her date is given as 22 so that would make her birth date 1822, but on her convict records Oct 1841, its given as 21. I know this is a long shot to get any more information, but thanks for your help, and any other suggestions are more than welcome
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can anyone give me sites for court records for Joseph or Maryann, found this one
http://www.beyondtheseas.co.uk/unclaimesconvictssr.htm there wouldn't have been much more information than I already have, cost $24, not sure how much that would in Aussie dollars. Thanks for help so far
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Cost would be around $40.Check resources page here or google Somerset Records Office.
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Thanks Warncoot, you were right, about $40. That's about what you pay for information, except from your great team, your help is very much appreciated
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is this any more help to find Joseph?? I sent to beyond the seas for indictment files, only real new information was that Joseph was from the Parish of Batherston in the county of somerset. He went from Ilchester jail to York Hulk, moored at Portmouth for 2 mths, before being transported to V.D.L. Any help to point me to where I could look next would be much appreciated
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only real new information was that Joseph was from the Parish of Batherston in the county of somerset.
That would be Batheaston?
Bath Archives (www.batharchives.co.uk) looks to be your next stop?
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Thanks for that suggestion KGarrad, have looked it up, all I can get is sorry 0 results, but it does give the Parish as Batherston on Joseph's indictment files, there was two othe chaps with him Robert Maggs and William Stevens and they are from there too. Looks like one more brick wall, but I'll keep trying. Thank you rainybell
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There is no such place as Batherston! ;D
Batheaston or Bathealton.
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thanks kgarrad, now I'm completely lost, makes you wonder just where did they come from??
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I'd go for Batheaston!
A written "r" can often look like an "a"?! ;D
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I have folded the file as it was to big to send,so you can see where i got the parish of Batherston from, looks like I will have to put Joseph in the too hard basket. Thanks for your interest Rainybell
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BUT . . . . .
That will be a typed transcription!
It's what is (hand-)written on the original that counts!
And I be prepared to lay a bet that it was Batheaston!
As I keep telling you - there is no such place as Batherston! ;D ;D
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There are only two adult Edward Crooms in Somerset in the 1841 census. One in Batheaston and one in central Bath. Joseph must have lived at Batheaston. (It's a village on the edge of Bath.)
FreeREG gives two baptisms for Joseph Rose in the Bath area 1814 +/- 5:
Son of David and Kitty in Bathwick in 1813
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=1712863
and son of Richard and Martha in Walcot in 1817
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=1708604
and another at Beckington in 1816 (about 10 miles from Bath)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Baptisms&RecordID=1888585
but that's at a Baptist chapel so I suppose he would have been an adult.
None were in Batheaston but that's where he was living when arrested, not necessarily where he was born.
David
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Thank you David, I didn't mean to cause so much trouble with that name, was just trying to explain where i got it from. Many thanks to you and the team for all your effort
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This is a bit late. Did you get all the online convict images from Tasmanian Archives? Some of the indent/convict records show names and residences of living relatives in England.
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Its never to late to offer help geneaccount, the convict records give a lot of info, and some of the records I have do show family names, but no names on Joseph and mary Ann's, which is a shame. Many thanks for your interest. Rainybell