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Hi,
Not sure if I am posting in right place but I am trying to find out about my great great grandfather who was born in Cork. I did subscribe to Ancestry for a year but do not know anything about tracing Irish Ancestry.
His name was Thomas Day and he is listed on the 1881 census as born in Cork about 1833 and residing at St.Ann's Road , Rotheram, occupation steam boiler maker. In 1891 he is at Commercial Street, Middlesbrough but birth date estimated 1836.
I cannot trace him prior to 1881 and if anyone could give me some pointers on how to go about this it would be much appreciated :)
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Thomas was born well before the start of civil records in Ireland, so you would need to check for church records for him. You would need to establish where in Co. Cork he came from to start a search.
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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Thanks for such a prompt reply Shane
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Do you know where and when Thomas married ?
If a marriage cert could be located it would give you his father's name and occupation, which could help
Shane
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Haven't been able to trace, his wife Elizabeth was from Kidderminster, they had their first child in West Bromwich 1861, on freeBMD there is a marriage in Aston 1859 but not sure if this is the right one, I could take a gamble on ordering the certificate but Aston doesn't sound quite right. Yes, a marriage certificate would be a great help. Thanks again.
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I had a quick look at the 1881 return (Ref : RG11 - piece 4672 / Folio 123 / page 9 and 10) , and it looks like all of the children were born in England. Locations mentioned include West Bromwich, Derby and and what looks like York, 'Rawmarsh' These might be locations to check for earlier returns.
It's also worth checking later census returns for Thomas, as these sometimes give a more detailed place of birth.
Shane
English Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I think this might be a possible birth match for one of the younger children listed on the 1881 return ... the district is correct for Rawmarsh.
Quarter/Year : Mar / 1875
District : Rotherham
Name : Lucy Day
Volume : 9c
Page : 629
If it's the correct one, then a cert would give you Elizabeth's maiden name, and help narrow down the right marriage.
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Thanks Shane, yes you had just got me thinking about ordering the birth certificate of the youngest child James born 1861 in West Bromwich as this would be the earliest record I can trace, my great grandmother Rose Hannah was born after in Derby, it seems they kept moving north, maybe for his work. I thought I had Rose' birth cert but do not seem to so it would also be a good idea to order hers as well.
Thanks for your help, Debbie
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Hi Shane, really sorry to bother you again but you were so helpful last time :)
I have now received from the GRO the birth certificate of Lucy Day which records the mothers maiden name as Davis.
My problem now is I still cannot trace the marriage of Thomas Day and Elizabeth. I would imagine the marriage probably would have been maybe around a year before the first child James was born in 1861 in West Bromwich and in that vicinity. I have checked back to 1855 and although I can find marriages for both names I cannot find them occuring on the same page. I would have thought it unlikely that Elizabeth being born in Kidderminster would have gone to Ireland to marry Thomas and them then settle in England. All supposition obviously.
Have you any idea where I go from here?
Many thanks,
Debbie
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Hi
This won't help with the marriage but I have found the family in 1871.
Forge Row, Christ Church, Rawmarsh
Thomas Day aged 36 boilermaker born Ulster
Elizabeth aged 32 born Kidderminster
Five children, the eldest being 13 but I can't read the place of birth, perhaps someone else might be able to help.
RG10-4708
Folio 16 Page 26
Regards
Kirstie
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Thanks Kirstie,
I have seen this census also 1881 and 1891 with slightly different ages, unfortunately I cannot find anything prior to 1871.
I had hoped finding Elizabeth's maiden name would help me find the marriage and then more about Thomas. The later census records list him as born in Cork.
Thank you for looking it up.
Regards,
Debbie
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Hi
I just noticed that the age of the eldest child might make the marriage a bit earlier.
A bit of a long shot, but in 1851 there is a Thomas Day age 20 from Ireland lodging in Ipsley, Warwickshire which is not too far from Kidderminster. He is a Sugar Boiler. The age is a bit out - but maybe he was pretending to be older to get a job!
Regards
Kirstie
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Thanks again Kirstie,
I will look into it,
Regards,
Debbie