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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: JMoo on Tuesday 30 August 11 12:35 BST (UK)
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This is probably a very long shot but we've tried looking and we can't find my OH's Great Granda who went to Canada in 1912 as a young man of 17. He lived in Garrabost in Lewis but we don't know which port he went from in the UK or when exactly except 1912 and possibly to Quebec.
Is it possible to for anyone to find anything out? His name was Malcolm Graham, known as Mal Graham. DOB 24/10/1895.
Thanks in advance
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Hello JMoo
It's a good job you mentioned his short first name :o
Departure date - June 14 1913 on the ship Athenia of the Donaldson Line, bound for Quebec & Montreal, Port of departure - Glasgow.
Mal Graham. age 19. Resident of Scotland. Farm Hand.
Mike
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The Athenia arrived Quebec 23 Jun 1913.
Malcom Graham, 19, arrived with $15.00, on his way to his brother in Fort William Ontario. His brother (not named) was a farmer and that is the occupation Mal was going to take up as well. Mal was going to be travelling by train from his port of landing to Fort William.
Polarbear
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Thanks very much to you folks, appreciate that....
Hmmm that's thrown up more questions as they don't think he did have a brother out there! :D Well not one they were aware of!
Don't suppose it's possible to find out who the brother was by any chance? Anything we can try to find out?
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I don't know whether polarbear would have a look to see if there is a Mal Graham arriving in Canada at the same time as I noticed on the passenger list that there was another Malcolm (not Mal) who was the same age and his occupation was Farm labourer, but his name was crossed through so don't know if he sailed.
The other name on the list was definately Mal.
Mike
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Hi again
Here is a link to the passenger list for the Athenia that arrived as above. It can be searched page by page to see if there is a Mal as opposed to a Malcolm. If I recall correctly *A* did not put a 'Mal' in their Canada inbound index, only the Malcolm I happened across. Sorry he doesn't appear to be yours.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-119.01-e.php?&sisn_id_nbr=6247&interval=20&&PHPSESSID=8qt7g785kqteh6lq7ul1l58hi6
PB
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I think I've solved one problem ::)
On the outbound list, the two Malcolm/Mal Grahams are one and the same, even though they are on different pages as the Mal Graham has been deleted from the passenger total.
All of the entries, outbound and inbound have the same ticket number 3913, so it looks as though the one on arrivals is correct.
Mike
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Good to know they are all the same person. Now there is the 'problem' of the brother. There is no cebsus until 1921, which will be released in 2013. Did your Mal marry in Canada?
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If the brother immigrated before 1911, you may be able to find him on the 1911 census.
You can try this site and see if you can find a possible brother.
http://automatedgenealogy.com
1911 Census of Canada
Ontario
Thunder Bay and Rainy River
Fort William is Districts 20-29
The easiest way to search is to put Graham under surname search and then pick out ones that may match and then use the split view to look at original census pages. Census info gives age, country of birth, year of immigration, occupation and religion.
I would look for names that may fit in with a naming pattern that was very common in Scotland. Naming sons after father, grandfather, parents brothers.
Donald, age 28 and John , age 22 are two possible brothers but would take more researching to confirm.
If the brothers enlisted in the CEF, it may be possible to find them if the parents and addresses are listed as Next of Kin. You may have to wait for the 1921 census to get any real information.
If someone is able to find a marriage certificate tha may have the same prents listed would be another possible way to find the brother.
If you can provide the names of the parents, someone may work their magic and find something.
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Thank you so much for all your efforts...
Doesn't look this one will be solved quickly though as the only older sibling he had was an elder sister, we did wonder if it was a brother in law but no one knows in the family.
We tried the census valeriec and we came up with a John Graham near his age and we checked him out on Scotland's People as i had some credits to use up before the end of the month but that's definitely not him.
So i think for the moment we can assume it's not the chap from 1913 and that somehow maybe his record was lost??? ???
He didn't marry over there, he fought with the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada we believe in the First World War and then married in Lewis in 1919 and then went back to Canada with his family in 1924. (We can't find his immigration record of arrival and yet he was recorded as getting on the boat in 1924) His family returned 3 years before him in 1932 on the Duchess of York and he came back finally on 13th December 1935 on the Montclare.
As you can see twice he's proved elusive! ;D
Bit of a family mystery. :-\
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Hi again
I don't have time at the moment for further research but did Malcolm have a daughter Dolina b. Lewis 1920
with a grandmother possibly Keshia(?) Graham of Stornoway Scotland. There is a Form 30A for this child signed by a Malcolm Graham for a sailing on the Canada 17 May 1924.
PB
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Thanks Polarbear, yes that bit is right we have the forms 30A for Annie Graham and Dolina Graham but we can't find the elusive man anywhere?! We did suspect on that particular voyage that some records were lost as there did seem a "gap" in the M's....
Just to update i had someone check the 1901 census for Garrabost and there is definitely no older brother so we can only assume that this isn't the one we were looking for. :(
So looks like we'll have to carry on looking unless the records have been lost...
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www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
Soldiers of the First World War
Attestations Papers for
Malcolm Graham
Regimental # A39254
enlistment 1915 May 25 at Port Arthur, Ontario
b. 24/11/1892
gives his address of next of kin as Garrabus, Stornaway and next of kin as Catherine Graham, mother
You can view the papers at the above site and also order the complete military file if you think this may be the Malcolm Graham you are looking for.
He enlisted in Port Arthur, Ontario and the regiment number matches up with the 52nd battalion.
The 52nd Battalion - March 20, 1915 - MD #10 based in Winnipeg issued orders for the mobilization of a battalion in the Thunder Bay district. The battalion is numbered the 52nd with headquarters in Port Arthur. You mentioned in a post tht your Malcolm served with the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada. They were out of Winnipeg, Manitoba so I would at least have a look at this Malcolm. His birth is close to that you gave. Many of the servicemen gave dates to make themselves older so they wouldn't be rejected when enlisting. The complete military file will give you his next of kin, pay allotments, medical info and also any transfers within battalions. Many of the men transferred many times within brigades and the info is very complete. The file will give you his embarkation and debarkation dates, ships, where he went on release and may be your best bet to determine if this is your Malcolm. If he married while still in the CEF it will be in his file.
Do you have his marriage certificate or just going by info passed on to you. The marriage certificate or registration may give more information on where he was living and also if he was in the CEF when he married.
Can you provide information on his parents and siblings and also those of his wife. the more information that is available to search with, the easier it is to find information.
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www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
Soldiers of the First World War
Attestations Papers for
Malcolm Graham
Regimental # A39254
enlistment 1915 May 25 at Port Arthur, Ontario
b. 24/11/1892
gives his address of next of kin as Garrabus, Stornaway and next of kin as Catherine Graham, mother
You can view the papers at the above site and also order the complete military file if you think this may be the Malcolm Graham you are looking for.
He enlisted in Port Arthur, Ontario and the regiment number matches up with the 52nd battalion.
The 52nd Battalion - March 20, 1915 - MD #10 based in Winnipeg issued orders for the mobilization of a battalion in the Thunder Bay district. The battalion is numbered the 52nd with headquarters in Port Arthur. You mentioned in a post tht your Malcolm served with the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada. They were out of Winnipeg, Manitoba so I would at least have a look at this Malcolm. His birth is close to that you gave. Many of the servicemen gave dates to make themselves older so they wouldn't be rejected when enlisting. The complete military file will give you his next of kin, pay allotments, medical info and also any transfers within battalions. Many of the men transferred many times within brigades and the info is very complete. The file will give you his embarkation and debarkation dates, ships, where he went on release and may be your best bet to determine if this is your Malcolm. If he married while still in the CEF it will be in his file.
Do you have his marriage certificate or just going by info passed on to you. The marriage certificate or registration may give more information on where he was living and also if he was in the CEF when he married.
Can you provide information on his parents and siblings and also those of his wife. the more information that is available to search with, the easier it is to find information.
Thanks very much for that. Hopefully we can look at this this weekend, it's been a busy week with OH's work so haven't had any time to digest it! ;)
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Thank you very much, that's him.
I'm not sure any more information would help us find him on a ship as all his siblings stayed at home at the time he went. As i said before he seemed to have a knack of avoiding the officialdom! ;D
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Sorry for barging in on this discussion but does this Malcolm Graham have a daughter called Dolina and two sons, one called Donald the other called Murdo?
If so he still has relations living in the home island, including a niece and nephew.
What info are you trying to find out and I can see what I can find out.
Rudhach.
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Sorry for barging in on this discussion but does this Malcolm Graham have a daughter called Dolina and two sons, one called Donald the other called Murdo?
If so he still has relations living in the home island, including a niece and nephew.
What info are you trying to find out and I can see what I can find out.
Rudhach.
Yes that is the one and we are aware of all of his family including Dolina and her two brothers. We' in contact with the family remaining on the island. I'll also PM you.
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Sorry for barging in on this discussion but does this Malcolm Graham have a daughter called Dolina and two sons, one called Donald the other called Murdo?
If so he still has relations living in the home island, including a niece and nephew.
What info are you trying to find out and I can see what I can find out.
Rudhach.
Rudhach,
I have quite a bit of information on this family. If there is anything that you need to know then get in touch.