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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: Galapagos on Sunday 28 August 11 16:27 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to trace information about my great grandfather John Jane and his family. He was born at Nine Oaks, St Ive, near Callington, Cornwall in 1865/6. In the 1871 Census he is at Durnaford Farm with his Uncle and Aunt Nathanial Hurrell and Mary Richards Hurrell.
He married Annie Margaretta Lobb at St Enoder, Cornwall on 21st September 1891 and they had 4 children. Annie Margaretta Lobb Jane was my grandmother, also there was Leonard Jane and Dorothy May Jane. I cannot trace the 4th child.
He must have left Durnaford around 1900 as on the 1901 census he is at Mount near Perranpoth, Cornwall and in 1911 he is at Chapple near St Columb, Cornwall.
I know that later in life they lived at New Mills. Ladock near Truro, Cornwall.
I cannot trace his birth parents or where he died although I understand it may have been at a hospital or old peoples home in the Falmouth area.
Does anyone have any informatiion regarding this.
Galapagos
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have you eliminated this baptism?
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1049520
& a brother
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1049617
John Jane dec qtr 1865 Liskeard vol 5c pg 57
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marriage of aunt & uncle
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=774616
possible for Samuel in 1861 given that this farm is enumerated on same page as NIne Oaks
Fursnap Farm, St Ive RG9/1527 folio 18 pg 3
Richard Jane head mar 59 famer b. Pillaton
Betsy wife 65 b. Sy Germans
Mary dau 29
Richard son 25
William son 25
Samuel son 19
William grandson 7
James Best 15 servant
all born St Ive except where noted
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brother William with parents in 1881
Newland Coombe, Southill RG11/2284 folio 100 pg 19
Samuel Jane head mar 39 farmer b. St Ive
Ann H wife 37 b. St Mellion
William son 13 b. St Ive
Mary Caroline dau 12
Samuel son 8
Harry son 7
Elizabeth dau 6
Richard son 4
Selina dau 2
Theodore son 1
all born Southill except where noted
marriage reg
Samuel Jane dec qtr 1863 Stoke Damerel vol 5b pg 614 with Ann Hawke Keast on the same page
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baptism of Mary, wife of Nathaniel
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1300347
The Keasts moved to St Mellion & have more children baptised there
http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=486191&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
http://v1.cornwall-opc-database.org/moreinfo.php?ID=486246&dbtype=baptisms&formval=
But I haven't found a baptism for Ann Hawke Keast, wife of Samuel Jane, as yet.
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Ann Hawke Keast bap St Mellion 1844 to Catherine Keast.
Fizzy
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well, I don't think Catherine is a sister of Mary Richards Keast, so the relationship might be a bit further away.
Galapagos, is any of this info of use to you? Could you say either way, assuming you have read the replies in one of your visits to the site since the info was posted?
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edited typo
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Hi
Yes this information is very useful and supports what I have previously found. The problem I have is that on his marriage certificate he quotes his fathers name as John Jane. I do not think this is correct as I think his father was Samuel Jane.
He was born at St Ive and I can only find 2 John Janes born at St Ive at this time. One to Samuel Jane and Ann Hawke and one to Mary Jane who was unmarried. I think Marys child died in December 1865.
I am trying to check and double check the information I have as I can trace him during the middle of his life but not his birth or his death. I am told he lived into his 90s.
As he was raised by his aunt and uncle is it possible he did not actually know his fathers name?
Thanks for all your help.
Galapagos
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do you have the 1865 birth cert for John Jane to see which one he is?
Possible death regs
John Jane 89 dec qtr 1854 Redruth vol 7a pg 124
John H Jane 83 dec qtr 1950 Kerrier vol 7a pg 56
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Perhaps he was Nathaniels nephew
1863 Harriet Hurrell married John Jane. Harriet was the widow of George Hurrell (perhaps Nathaniels brother as both born St Ive)
1871 Nine Oak St Ive
John Jane 36 Menheniot
Harriet 38 Landrake
Theodosia Hurrell 11 Quethiock (bap to Geo and Harriet)
Caroline 7 St Ive
John Henry 2 St Ive
Emily 4m St Ive
Looks as though the three children born St Ive were baptised St John 1875.
Fizzy
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Harriet was a widow at time of marriage, so not a Hurrell by birth
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=774747
The John Jane who died as an infant was living at Furzenapp at the time he died
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=571914
As it's the death of a child, the death cert should give the name of his father. It it's Samuel, you can eliminate that baptism.
John Jane dec qtr 1865 Liskeard vol 5c pg 39
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Yep I said possibly Nathaniels brothers wife.
Catherine Keast mother of Ann Hawke Keast seems to be cousin to Mary Richards Keast. Their fathers being brothers John and Stephen sons of Robert and Priscilla (St Neot).
John and Harriets son John Henry Jane went on to be a RN seaman.
Fizzy
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Moving on again
Cornwall record office :
CY/7224
Bankruptcy of John Jane Durnford Farm St Ive
Fizzy
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John & Harriet have a son called John, but he's younger than the one with the Hurrells on the 1871, 1881 &1891 census, so 2 different people.
Nine Oaks, St Ive RG10/2234 folio 58 pg 1
John Jane head mar 36 ag lab b. Menheniot
Harriett wife 38 b. Landrake
Thadotha Hurrell dau-in-law 11 b. Quethiock
Caroline Jane dau 7 b. St Ive
John Henry son 2 b. St Ive
Emby dau 4 months b. St Ive
Thadotha should be Theodosia
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1376457
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Re the John belonging to John and Hariet, I was merely exploring a John Jane with a father called John - thats what this was about partly.
Fizzy
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John Jane's bankruptcy proceedings can be found 1897 through 1898 in the online edition of the London Gazette.
Fizzy
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Hi
The bankruptcy is a surprise. I will follow this up as I had no idea but it does explain why he left the area.
I have both the birth certificates for the John Janes born in 1865. One was born to Samuel Jane and Ann Hawke Keast at Nine Oaks. The other was born to Mary Jane at Furzenapp and does not give a fathers name. I think Samuel and Mary are brother and sister. They were both registered on the same day.
I will get the death certificate for the one who died in December to confirm if this was Marys child.
I will also follow up on the deaths to see if I can find the right one.
Thanks for all your help. It is much appreciated.
Galapagos
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registered the same day? No wonder you've been having problems!
The baptism for John son of Mary is noted as private which suggests the baby wasn't well enough to be taken to church
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1049519
Is this Mary's burial? Age ties in with Samuel's sister Mary in 1861
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=571969
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Hi Folks,
If I might interject at this belated time?!
The mother of Ann Hawke Keast was indeed Caroline - and there was a court case regarding the father.
This was transcribed from the West Briton and posted to Cornish-Gen in 2007 and I copied it and circulated it to those subscribed to the Keast list - you can search the Rootsweb archives for free.
Caroline later married Thomas Pinwell Jeffery and had a further 5 children with him.
She is the sister to Mary Richards Keast.
Ann married Samuel Jane and appears to have had at least 14 children with him (and there a couple of possibles).
I hope that helps.
If anybody wants to contact me for Keast info, you can Google Keastconnect.
Cheers,
Phil
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Anne Hawke Jane nee Keast was my great grandmother. She had 16 children, 2 died at birth. One of them was John Jane, one of them being my grandmother Florence Jane. My mother Gladys made an album up of all Anne H Jane's children and she even has a photo of your John Jane!! He was evidently sent to live with his uncle at an early age because they had no children of their own. Seems harsh if true, but in those days I suppose life was often cruel. Anne Hawke Keast was the illegitimate daughter of Caroline Keast and William Hawk(e) who was a prominent landholder in Pillaton. The story already alluded to by another poster. I hope I can send a photocopy of John Jane's photograph to you via this site.
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Hi Brooks
Thanks for the email. I would love to have a picture of John Janes brothers and sisters.
I have recently met John Janes granddaughter and she told me that he had 14 siblings. I now have 2 pictures of John Jane.
He lived until he was 89 and died in 1954 at Barncoose Hospital, Redruth, Cornwall.
I understood that Florence went to America/Canada and died there but her husband came back to England. Is that correct and are you in Cornwall.
Regards
Galapagos
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Hi! The picture I have of John Jane (they called him Jack!) is taken when he is 88 years old. Florence was the youngest and married Charles Horace Shedwell Allen in Cornwall and moved to Canada where they both lived out their lives. I have a picture of John's mother and father - Ann Hawke Jane (nee Keast) and Samuel Jane, and some of his siblings. I will endeavour to scan and send a few a time. A bit short of time right now, as working 5 days a week and of course the Christmas rush!!! I live in Australia now, having moved here 25 years ago from Canada!
I will try to send a couple of photos this time!!! have been trying to send but the kb are too high. will try again in a couple of days when I figure out how to compress the photos!
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Me again, I am trying this photo size, let me know if it comes through okay!
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one last time - hopefully a bit larger and easier to see!! Ann and Samuel were married nearly 60 years and died 5 days apart!
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Hi brooks
A Picture Of John Jane
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Hi Brook
Thanks for the pictures. They have come through fine. Hope you got the one of John Jane okay. I am not sure what age he was when this was taken. I was only given it recently. I have tried to send a message to you but not sure if it went through okay.
I would love to have any other pictures particularly of all John Janes siblings. It is great to hear from you as I have been trying for a long time to piece together John Janes past. As I have previously stated his marriage certificate states his father as being John Jane which is obviously incorrect. This was making it difficult to progress so your information has been a great help.
Thank you
Galapagos
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Well here are 2 more, one of my grandmother Florence Jane, her husband Charles Allen, my mother Gladys, her brothers Reg and John, taken in Winnipeg Canada probably about 1916 or so. The other is of Ann Hawke Jane (nee Keast), in 1908 and she is 65 years old. This photo was taken at the Launceston Markets.
Hope you enjoy these!
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Hi Brook
These pictures are brilliant. I never expected to see any of these photos because as I have said before I have had such a problem tracing John Janes early years and also where he died. I now know so much more about him. Now that I know his parents and grandparents I can research further.
Thanks so much for posting your original message and please keep in touch and send any more information you have.
I will keep you posted with anything else I find out.
Probably will be after Christmas before I do much more as I work full time as well.
Regards
Marcia
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Hi Brook
How are you? I would still love to have the photograph of John Jane and all his brothers and sisters.
I have not done anything since Christmas but was wondering if there were still any relations within Cornwall. Are you in contact with anyone else?
I look forward to hearing from you or anyone who knows of the Jane family in the Callington/St Ive area.
Galapagos
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Hi sorry I didn't get back sooner. I am not in touch with any Janes in Cornwall and I will send some more photos to you soon!
Lois
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Hi Brook
I have attached a photograph of Leonard Percival Jane who was John Janes only son, he also had 3 daughters one who died at a few days old. Leonard went to Canada Copper Mining. He returned in October 1914 but I am not sure when he went to Canada. I have been told that he stayed with Florence and her family while in Canada. After he returned he joined the Army in WW1 and was killed in France on April 28th 1917. He is buried in France in Orchard Dump Cemetary ( could have had a better name).
Hope all is well and hope to hear from you again soon.
Regards
Marcia
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Great photo! will have to get my act together and scan some of these photos I have, but most aren't as good as the past few , but something at least. I will try to send to your personal email address.
Warm regards from Lois
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Hi Brook,
I too have an interest in Ann Hawk(e) Keast and William Hawk(e) snr [1st cousin *3 removed]
My grandmother on my fathers side was Bessie Hawk(e) who married my grandfather George Serle in 1909.
Sadly I do not have a photo of George Henry Serle but iI do have one of Bessie.
Would it be ok if I copied the photo's that you have put up on this site?
I'm happy to share the info that I have on my family if you are interested.
Regards, Geoff