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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: dorsyb on Tuesday 23 August 11 16:42 BST (UK)
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Hi i am new on here.
I am researching the roots of the Buck family, and i have been told they were of Romany stock.
The family were hawkers/ general dealers and costermongers. They came from Shoreditch and Bethnal Green area of East London from about 1822 to 1900.
What i cant find is where they came from before 1822.
I have Thomas Buck (who married Caroline Smith, whose father was a horse dealer) born in 1822 in Shoreditch according to the 1851 census, and although i can find a number of Thomas Bucks in 1841, they all have a diffrent profession so are not the right one.
Does anyone know of where the Romanies came from before they lived in the Eastend of London? And are any of you ancestors to those Bucks?
thanks,
Dorsyb
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Hyah, New On Here. I'm Passing Through Again ..... ;D
Robert Dawson, in his " A Romany In The Family ", records that he's found intermittent records of the Buck surname being offered by Gypsys since 1656 to pretty much today.
Places he's found it used being Derbyshire, Hampshire and Yorkshire.
I knew settled Buck's in Hampshire, in the 19's. I'd suggest ye barking up the right tree here. I'm sure someone will be along, presently, to feed ye some more information.
Stick around :)
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hi. dorsyb, welcome. the bucks are a old romany family. and lived/live all over britain. in fact i was staying on a gypsy camp with a buck, a couple of years back, so they are still travelling. there are lots around skipton, gargrave, and north yorks. nice family. as to where they came from. as steve g says, by the way he is a good saurce for info. they came to this country in mid 1600s mainly from france, as they were hanging new born babies just for the romany breeding in them it was a capital crime, to be a gypsy in france. many came as refugees, as did many other people, for ethnic, religion, and many other types of persecution. but give romany history a look, it can be interesting? romany people came from the east thru europe, then england. the name gypsy came from where they camped, it was called little egypt, hence gypsy, lots stayed in epping forrest areas, and all over the south of england, including many around london. but to get back to your question about the bucks it can be hard to trace travellers back as they often did not register in a parish, so did not leave much in the way of records. by the way you had to register in a parish to work there at that time. i have traced my family back to around 1600, burslem staffs. but that was only because they sold/made earthenware, pottery. so often were in the same area. try looking at all the areas around the info you have. and look at other family names, as gypsy folk tend to use the womans family name at times. hope this is of help to you, good luck. rob g
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Thanks Stevie G and Rob G for the info, its all very interesting.
The Buck family is my husbands, and it was quite a surprise to him and his family when a distant Buck relative in Australia told him. This person originally came from Bethnal Green and remembered his gt granddad telling him when he was young that their family were Romanies.
So i will try all the womens names in the family, although very hard with the name Smith! lol
Dorsyb
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I have ancestors named Thomas Buck b c1795 Shoreditch/Bethnal Green son Henry Geo b c 1816 m Mary Jolliffe 1853 Bethnal Green. My father always said we were of Romany Gipsy Stock. Any help.
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hi Archie,
yes it could be of help, as your Henry George could be the brother of the Thomas Buck we have in 1822.
Do you know much about the family history? Where did you find the info on your Thomas born in 1795? ::)
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Hi Dorsyb
I found the info looking through Ancestry.co. Henry Geo Buck was born c1816. A widower, he was married to Mary Jolliffe b c1832. His father was Thomas, a Chairmaker. On birth cert his father is shown as Thomas. I believe & his grandfather also Thomas. I have skeleton records of 2 Thomas Buck b 13.3.1784 christened St Leonards Shoreditch parents Thomas & Eleanor, & 23.12.1768 christened St Leonards, parents Thomas & Susanna. There is also believed sister Charlotte b 25.7.1780 christened St Leonards Shoreditch, parents Thomas & Eleanor. I also have record of a Thomas Buck b 10.4.78 Norfolk parents Thomas & Elizabeth. Also Thomas John b 7.12.1768 christened St St Leonards, parents Edward & Elisabeth.
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My great,great grandmother was called Catherine Emily Buck.Her birth was registered in December 1881 in St Georges,Hanover Square district & later census reports show her as being from Pimlico & Belgravia London.I am having great difficulty finding out who her parents & birth family were because she appears to have been orphaned & was living with cousins in 1891,Thor & Katherine Remington. By 1901 she was with an aunt & uncle Richard & Emily Simpson.The family she lived with worked as brass founders/moulders.
Catherine married Frederick Rabbitt from St Mary Cray,Kent in 1902.Has anyone come across any Bucks living in the Pimlico/Belgravia area of London at this time ?has anyone come across Catherine Buck in their research ? What do those of you with Gypsy heritage knowledge think-is it likely that she was from a gypsy family ?We have felt that there is Romany gypsy blood in the family but we have not yet been able to find any direct links or proof.Thanks for your help
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Hello, I have the name Buck in my tree. My husband's 3xG Grandfather was William Clifton Buck, born in 1818 in Hoxton. He then moved to Canterbury where he married Charlotte Perkins and they had a daughter Emma Clifton Buck, who married Charles Pearce (husband's 2.G Grandfather). William is shown as a traveller on Emma's marriage certificate and in some census returns as a hawker.
DorsyB - I wonder if my William and your Thomas could be linked.
From the info I have it does sound like William is a Romany.
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Hello Pootle,
i was intrested in this as i have Bucks from Hoxton area connected to Canterbury in my tree,as well as Perkins connected to Whitstable/Chislet/Canterbury/Ashford,and im wondering if theres a link.
My 4xgreat grandmothers 1st cousin was a horse dealer named William George Spain,who married a girl named Mary Ann Streeting in Canterbury when she was just 14,apparently not unusual back then.She was the daughter of Thomas Streeting,a marine stores dealer born in Canterbury in 1818,and Elizabeth Buckley,from Ireland.Thomas sister,Mary Streeting was a licensed hawker born in Canterbury in 1823.She married a licensed hawker named Daniel Buck in Blean in 1841.He was born London,Middlesex in 1815,according to census.They both died in Birmingham in 1876 and dont appear to have had children.
Daniels siblings were:
James born 1816 E London traveller
John born 1813 E London hawker/china and glass dealer married Emma Wiltshire.
Mry born 1826 Hoxton married 1st Thomas Hitchcock in Blean in 1841 then William Yeates in Canterbury in 1855.
Hannah born 1829 Hoxton.
There parents were James Buck born 1791 Melbourne,Derbyshire hawker glass,china etc and Mary ???.
I think James parents were John Buck and Patience Price.
Its been a while since i looked at this family,and i seem to recall i found them intresting because they start by appearing Romany from occupations etc,and then some seem to become settled and work as auctioneers,that kind of thing,also links to East End Jewish families,suger boilers etc.
I will dig out more if youre intrested,maybe we could share info.
Also,my 5xgreat grandmother,wife of John Spain,was Sarah Warner born 1795 Whitstable,part of a family that included marine stores,general and old iron dealers.
Theres an Albert Warner,marine store dealer,who married Emma Perkins nee Holness in Canterbury in 1864,she was the widow of Robert Perkins.
Roberts uncle was a fishmonger/hawker named Robert Perkins born Chislet in 1798,wife was Mary ???.
There children:
Mary born 1821 Chislet.
Ann born 1826 Canterbury married wood dealer William Sayer.
Esther born 1828 Canterbury married chimney sweep William Ramsden.
Robert born 1831 Whitstable was a chair bottomer/hawker.
Stephen born 1839 Canterbury hawker married Frances Barden in Ashford in 1869,their son Stephen also a hawker.
Some of this might be useful or relevant.Hope to hear from you.
Nel.
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Hello Nel,
your info looks very interesting. I have PMd you.
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Funny thing is I have been going through my files and came across this it looks like John Buck[ both born buckingham buckinghamshre] married a Hester Standley/Stanley in buckingham on 25/5/1736 do no know if linked at all just thought i would pass it on.
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Hello
I've just found this old thread whilst researching William Clifton Buck 1818-1878.
Pootle - William Clifton Buck is also my 3x G Grandfather. I'm descended through his son-in-law Charles Pearce and then Charles' son George Pearce.
I don't know anything about William's parents though.
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I'm a Buck from Australia,. Father was born in Mansfield, he claims that he is from gypsy lineage, but I don't know for sure as he stopped talking to his father around 13 and I have no contact with my grandfather as a result. He moved to Australia Perth when he was 4. My mother comes from Bullocks in Gloucester, her father was born in forrest of dean area and claims gypsy lineage aswell. But he has recently passed and I can no longer ask him. I don't know if this helps you but I ask that if you lean anything about bucks around Mansfield that moved tomperth around the 60s or 70s that would be helpful to me,,, thanks
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Hi! I'm excited to see this! I am a descendant of the Buck family from Yorkshire. My lineage goes back in my documents to 1709 in Sheffield to Thomas Buck, and follows down to the Bucks in London that were toolmakers. I have lots of documentation on the history, and would love to learn more about this possibility!