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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: lueli on Tuesday 23 August 11 14:21 BST (UK)
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Looking for information on Anastasia Navin (Nevin). Have a baptism in Ballycallan parish register for 12th April 1823. Parents were Thomas Navin and Anty Darmody, residence was Glebe and sponsor was Betty Kavanagh.
She married Pierce McCormack and had six children, Patrick, b.1851/2, (Knonckanglass) sponsors Thomas Navin/Elizabeth Cormack, Mary b. 1854 (Moyglass) Sponsors Patrick Murphy/Catherine Murphy, Margaret b. 1856 (Knocnkanglass) Sponsors Thomas Navin/Margaret Navin, Henry b. 1864 (Harley Park), Sponsor Catherine Dunn, Anne b. 1863 (Harley Park) Pat Cormack/Fanny Durcan and Pierce, b. 1867 (Harley Park) Sponsors Peter Byrne/Ellen Fennelly.
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what kind of details are you searching for ?
It looks like you already have baptism and marriage details, plus details of her children ..
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Would like to find out her siblings and where she got married to Pierce, when she died.
Think she is buried in Ardmayle in Tipperary but they have no records for her.
Thanks.
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The records for Ballycallan parish only go back to 1820, but you might be able to locate baptisms for the younger siblings in the family. Have you checked the parish records already ?
Brides usually married in the parish they were living in, so I'd would have thought Ballycallan would be the place to start.
RC registers rarely include death/burials, so it might be better to try searching for a civil death record. What are the last details you have on Anastasia i.e. ? location , date etc
Shane
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I got the baptism from Rothe House but they couldn't find any other siblings. Thats all I've been able to get so far.
How would I go about the civil death record? I assume she would have been in Harley Park at her time of death but I don't know when she died.
Thanks for your help Shane.
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Based on the civil births for Henry & Pierce jnr, the registration district for Hanlypark would be Callan, so that's what I would look for in the index. The two children mentioned in the extracted births are registered as Cormack rather than McCormack, so Anastasia's death may be listed as the spelling also..
I'll have a search for any likely matches
note that death certs dont give that much detail.
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Shane
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Hi...I'm just wondering about the children who were born in Knockanglass (Knockinglass) near Moyglass - did any of them marry any person with the surname Grant? I have family from that area.
Regards,
Ann Marie
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the age is quite a bit out.. but this is the closest match for the death that I see in the right area :
Name: Anastasia Cormack
Registration district: Callan
Event type: Death
Year: 1868
Age : 65 (est. year of birth 1803)
Volume 9 / Page 371
see : link (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Aana*%20%2Bsurname%3ACormack~%20%2Bdeath_place%3ACallan~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1864-1904~&collection_id=1408347) (BMD Index result on Familysearch)
just a year after the birth of Pierce jnr
Shane
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That is fantastic but the age is bit out alright though, she'd be marvelous if she gave birth at 64! Pierce, her husband was born in 1819 so the baptism of 1823 kind of fitted in with her. I know they were bit hit and miss with ages back then, do you think they might have put a wrong age down for her?
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Death certs are often the least accurate document when it comes to age/year of birth... it's possible the informant didn't know, or overestimated
Pity the marriage is before the start of civil records, since a cert would give you father's name, which would help confirm, or rule out, the connections. I presume you've already searched the RootsIreland/Rothe House records for possible marriages in church records ?
That death cert might be worth a try anyway, as it would give place of death etc, and the informant might be a family member which may allow you to check if it's the correct person.
Shane
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I got searches done in both Kilkenny and Tipperary for the marriages and nothing at all came up unfortunately. Just that one baptism for Glebe. I'll keep digging away hopefully something will turn up. Thank you so much for the help and advice.
Regards
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Hi Anniedwyer 84,
The only possibility might be Mary, she is the only one of the McCormacks I can't find. I don't know anything about the sponsor Margaret Navin though. Does that tie in anywhere with you?
Regards.
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Not all the parishes in the area have records back far enough for the marriage - so it depends on which parish it took place in.
I dont think RootsIreland has all records for all the south Tipperary parishes...
You can check details for parishes (date, map, NLI film references etc) on the Irish Times website to see if any of the neighbouring parishes would be worth checking out..
Shane