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This is the Military Campaign and a ward roll I found today of my ancestry John Liversage (but it says Liversedge on here), he is the last name on the list (he was in the Military between 1793 - 1815), but I can't make out the writing that has been written underneath and at the end of his entry, and I don't really understand what the whole document is telling me. So any help will be truly gratefully received. I hope the picture is clear enough.
Thank you in advance for your time and trouble x
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Ok, first off this is telling you is that John Liversedge served in the 23rd Regiment (at the top of the page). It's a page from the regimental medal roll, which means he was entitled to the Military General Service medal
http://www.northeastmedals.co.uk/britishguide/militarygeneralservice1793_1814.htm
Each column refers to a particular clasp for the medal, so you'll see he has 4 check marks next to his name meaning he was entitled to clasps for Corunna, Salamanca, Badajoz and Toulouse. I confess I can't read the scrawl underneath but according to my printed roll the regimental roll lists possible entitlement to the Fuentes D'Onoro clasp as well, so I'm guessing that's what it's saying. (the FD clasp here would be very unusual, possibly even unique, in the regiment).
The medal was only awarded in 1847 to veterans still alive at the time, so you can infer that about hiim straight away.
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It also says he served in Capt Hawtyn's company I see.
He also served with the regiment at Waterloo, but at that point he was in Capt Harrison's no.3 company.
So he would have received the Waterloo medal too.
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Thank you so much for all your help Neil1821. It really has made things a bit clearer for me, and is very much appreciated. I can't wait to tell my Dad now.
Thank you ;D
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hi,,,,if its the same man John Liversage was b c1770 in Poolford ,Chester.
he first joined the 1st Dragoon guards in 1793,,,then joined the 23rd foot in 1807.
he served 15 years and 279 days and was allowed 2 years extra for service at Waterloo.
He was discharged through general debility in may 1817 age 47.
on discharge he was 5 ft 7",,grey hair,,grey eyes,,dark complexion,,and a labourer by trade. ;)
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Hi Curly
The headings on your document appear to be as follows:
Corunna, Martinique, Albuhera, Ciudad Roddrigo, Badajoz, Salamanca, Vittoria, Pyrenees, St Sebastian, Nivelle, Nive, Orthes, Toulouse
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Duplicate thread on Photo Restoration board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,550955.0.html
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hi,,,,if its the same man John Liversage was b c1770 in Poolford ,Chester.
he first joined the 1st Dragoon guards in 1793,,,then joined the 23rd foot in 1807.
he served 15 years and 279 days and was allowed 2 years extra for service at Waterloo.
He was discharged through general debility in may 1817 age 47.
on discharge he was 5 ft 7",,grey hair,,grey eyes,,dark complexion,,and a labourer by trade. ;)
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Thank you for this information ;D Could I please ask where you got this information from and can I obtain a copy of it, as it does sound like my John Liversage. Sorry for all the question but this is the first time I have research any military connection.
I would again like to thank everyone for there help and I am sorry I duplicated my question. Would you like me to remove the post from the Photo Restoration board?
Thanks
Debbi x
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I would again like to thank everyone for there help and I am sorry I duplicated my question. Would you like me to remove the post from the Photo Restoration board?
Thanks
Debbi x
Not a problem Debbi, I have asked people on the Photo Board thread to respond on this one so there will hopefully be no confusion :)
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I would again like to thank everyone for there help and I am sorry I duplicated my question. Would you like me to remove the post from the Photo Restoration board?
Thanks
Debbi x
Not a problem Debbi, I have asked people on the Photo Board thread to respond on this one so there will hopefully be no confusion :)
Thank you :)
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Hi Debbi
The A/a on the form stands for ‘Accepted’. The Xs are when claims for clasps were rejected. The writing underneath appears split into two by a bracket. The remarks on the right are along the lines of ‘directed to England 21/28 Mar/May 1813…..before return in 8? April’ – if correct then he was not in Spain for Nivelle (November 10, 1813) or Orthes/Orthez (February 27, 1814) - but back for Toulouse (April 10-12, 1814).
I cannot read the remarks under Albuera (May 16, 1811). He may have been off on detachment somewhere. This may also explain why he was awarded Fuentes de Oñoro. The 23rd Regiment were at Albuera, but they had two battalions at the time, and he may have been with the 2nd Battalion.
Here is a useful Wiki link to the clasps/battles - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_General_Service_Medal
As Neil says you had to be alive on 1st June 1847 to be entitled. The Waterloo medal was awarded soon after the battle.
Ken
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Interestingly, I found an ancestor of mine listed on a similar roll and ignored it as I didn't think it gave much information ::) I'll have to find it again and see if it is anything like Debbi's.
Lizzie
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I think the Remarks column says Faints, with something else beneath. And below that could be a date of 21 Mar 1813. Not a lot of help but the date might be significant to the Military Experts ???
Added: Sorry, I hadn't realised that the thread had gone on to a second page and Ken had already covered the date. :-[
Colin
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hi,,the information i posted comes from his service/pension record,which is available to see on the findmypast website,,,if you buy some credits ;)
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Thanks for the info Gortonboy, I have access to FindMyPast but didn't realise it had that kind of info.
Lizzie
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Wow! ;D I didn't dream of getting as much information as I have got from all you fantastic people. Thank you sooooo much again. Believe me it is very much appreciated and now I feel I am able to find out a bit more about my ancestry, or at least about the battles he took part in.
That's fantastic that it is on FindMyPast. My local studies library has access to it so it is definitely on my list for my next visit :D
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Hi Debbi,
I think we might share the same John Liversage (Liversedge) as an ancestor. I'm new to this site and not really sure how to share my info with you.
I've got an entire family tree posted on Ancestry.com that you could see I believe.
anyway...hopefully we can connect and see if we are related.
cheers,
David
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Hi David
Welcome to the Forum. You need to make two more posts and you can then exchange personnel messages with Debbi. PMs are the only way you should swop email addresses for example.
Ken