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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: Listerdale on Thursday 18 August 11 20:49 BST (UK)
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I am trying to locate my Grandfather in the 1901 & 1911 Census.
According to my Grandfather's marriage certificatedated January 1915. He was married at the Roman Catholic Church at Knockmore, in Ballina District. His address is shown as 'Ballysliva'.
In December 1915 there first child was born. Registration District was Ballina, and the place of birth is 'Bonnaghsliva'. Registered by Grandmother from Knockmore.
I cannot find any reference to either 'Ballysliva' or 'Bonnaghsliva' on any map or Census records.
I have previously asked about 'Balysliva' without any luck. Can anyone let me know were or what is 'Bonnaghsliva' and what was the meaning of 'Sliva' in the early 1900's
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what are the rest of the registration district details ?
as well as the county (Mayo) and registration district (Ballina) there should be a superintendent district or similar and the name of the registrar.
I dont see any townland with a name like Bonnaghsliva in the townland database.. but maybe it's a spelling variation
Shane
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You haven't mentioned any names in this post but here's a link to your previous thread:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,518216.msg3737005.html
My Great Grandfather Anthony Jordan married Selina (Celina)Brogan in Knockmore, Co. Mayo. in 1915.
The marriage certificate states that Anthony's address was given as Ballysliva. I cannot find this location on any map. Selina's address was given as Knockmore which I have found on maps.
Can anyone please tell me where is 'Ballysliva' or the nearest location?
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Hi Shanew147,
The Photocopy of the entry states:-
Birth Registration in the district of 'Ballina'
Superintendant Registrar's District of 'Ballina'
In the County of 'Co. Mayo'.
These are the same details as on the Marriage Certificate for earlier that year.
The person registering the birth was it's Grandmother who's residence is stated as 'Knockmore'.
The Father profession is a Farmer, so I think that the location must be near Knockmore.
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the only location that looks even close in the district is the townland of 'Tullysleva', which is a townland of 284 acres in Kilbelfad civil parish, electoral district of Ballina.
Shane
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according to the official Irish placename database an alternate name for this townland is Tullynasleevagh
The name seems to be an Anglicised spelling of it's Irish name Tulaigh shleibhe - or literally 'mountain hill'
Shane
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Closest I could find to 'Bonaghsliva' and 'Balysliva' is Bunaveela in Crossmolina civil parish.
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Hi again shanew147,
Thank you for your efforts.
The only 1911 Census entry I can find for Co. Mayo, that has my Grandfather and Great Grandfather's name and the profession of Farmer is in 'Carha' Townland / Street, in Kilgarvin DED. But my Grandfather's age is about 4 years out.
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As 'sliva' appears at the end of both locations I have on the certificates, will the meaning of 'sliva' be any help?
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here are the locations mentioned on a google map
Ballina, Tullysleva, Bunaveela, Knockmore (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Ballina,+co.+mayo,+Ireland&daddr=tullysleva+to:Bunaveela,+Ireland+to:Knockmore,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=54.048908,-9.347305&spn=0.189065,0.539017&sll=54.082354,-9.369965&sspn=0.188913,0.539017&geocode=FZyuOQMdMkV0_ym1eW9gczdZSDHgnjGXqccACg%3BFfRyOQMdGINz_ylDHbrjbjhZSDHipcK6p8cAJg%3BFe8-OAMdzHlu_yk_hByH82xZSDHi67W6p8cAJg%3BFSlWOAMdQgR0_ymBdUYnQUZZSDEQDTKXqccACg&mra=ls&vpsrc=0&z=11)
All in the Ballina district
Shane
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As 'sliva' appears at the end of both locations I have on the certificates, will the meaning of 'sliva' be any help?
I would think 'Sliva' is probably an Anglicized version of the Irish for Mountain - sliabh. bh is promounced like a v in Irish (there's no letter 'v' in Irish.)
The derivation of the townland name could be complicated, and may not really help. For example the townland I mentioned earlier of Tullysleva, Tullynasleevagh also has the same Sliabh section to it's Irish name, but there's no obvious mountain in that area that I can see.
Shane
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Thank you for all your time and effort.
I will be looking around the 4 names you have given.
And thank you for your thoughts on 'sliva'.
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Hello again,
on the other thread, you said that all the children were born Castletown, Castleconnor, Sligo.
I know it is expensive, but do you have their birth certificates to check the place of birth.
I assume that 'Grandmother' was Mrs Brogan who registered the birth?
heywood
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Hi Heywood,
When I first tried to obtain certificates for my Father and his siblings, the General Registry Office found all but 1 of the siblings. They were all born in Castletown, Registered in the Registrar's District of Castleconor, in the Superintendant's District of Dromore West, Co. Sligo.
There parents were married in Knockmore, Registrar's & Superintendant's District of Ballina, Co. Mayo
After a breakthrough on 'Genes-Reunited' I found the children of one on my Father's Brother. I made contact with them, and they could remember their Father mentioning the name of his Brother John Joseph (the one that I had not found).
I then wondered if he could have been born before they moved to Castletown, so looked for him on 'Familysearch' around Knockmore. I found a registration for a John Joseph, so applied to the General Registration Office for a photocopy of the Birth Entry - it had the same parents named and the person registering the birth was Bridget Brogan, Grandmother. These details are in a previous entry in the topic.
Listerdale
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Apologies if the info was there- just trying sort and search :
Perhaps, then, there is a baptism for John Joseph with an address.
You would then wonder why they moved if Anthony's address is in Knockmore area.
I am thinking aloud here - I am sure you have been all round the areas searching.
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Hi Heywood,
Thank you for your thoughts.
I have tried to telephone the Priest at the Knockmore R.C. Church, but the number I had is not correct.
As Anthony's Father was a Farmer (Anthony's) Marriage Cert. and Anthony was a Farmer on his Marriage Cert and Children's Birth Certs, I think that he may have moved to have his own farm.
Listerdale
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You will find Ballinaslava in Lissaniska West; Census/Mount Falcon/Lissaniska West.
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You will find Ballinaslava in Lissaniska West; Census/Mount Falcon/Lissaniska West.
Welcome to RootsChat, runagry ;D
Here are maps for Lissaniska West & Lissaniska East - they border each other.
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/tirawley/ballynahaglish/mount-falcon/lissaniska-west/
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/tirawley/ballynahaglish/mount-falcon/lissaniska-east/
Click in twice on Lissaniska West and you will see Ballinasleva.
Knockmore townland adjoins Lissaniska West townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/tirawley/ballynahaglish/mount-falcon/knockmore/
John Joseph Jordan born 1915 #103
Note Lissaniska townland in a birth two down.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01357/1559623.pdf
KG
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Listerdale last posted on this thread on August 20, 2011
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Hi runagry and Kiltaglassan,
Thank you for your post and info. I visited Knockmore in November 2011, and a new found Cousin took me to Ballinasleva.
The links to the maps are very useful - I will print the West Lissaninska one and place in my file.
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You're very welcome, Listerdale :)
This may remind you - the staggered crossroads at Ballinasleva.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxs/
KG
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Hallmark,
Could you please tell me how to close this Question? I have come a long way since my original posting.
Thanks to all readers.
Listerdale
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You can hit
Report to Moderator that is on a posting
and ask them to close it!
Would certainly stop a lot of confusion about resurrecting an 8 year old thread!