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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: ds0706 on Tuesday 03 May 05 23:50 BST (UK)
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Is anyone else researching either of these families? I am trying to piece the many Halls members who were fishmongers/oyster packers in Colchester, and noticed that there is another family in the same trade who have Halls as a middle name which goes back at least to 1800
JOHN HALLS BEAR - International Genealogical Index Parents: William & Elizabeth BEAR
Gender: Male Christening: 10 OCT 1802 Saint Mary The Virgin At The Walls, Colchester, Essex, England
The IGI is patchy, to say the least, in Colchester, so I wondered if there is more info anywhere?
regards
Doreen
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1851 Colchester
Surname Forename Age Born Folio
BARE JOSEPH 21 COLCHESTER ESS 65 CCB
BARE LYDIA 19 COLCHESTER ESS 65 CCB
BARE JOHN W 2m COLCHESTER ESS 65 CCB
BARE WILLIAM 44 COLCHESTER ESS 246 CCV
BARE JOSEPH H 42 COLCHESTER ESS 246 CCV
BARE SUSAN 42 MALDON ESS 246 CCV
BARE FANNY 16 COLCHESTER ESS 246 CCV
BARE THOS. JAS. 11 COLCHESTER ESS 246 CCV
BARE MARGARET E 9 IPSWICH SFK 246 CCV
BARE CORNELIUS A 7 IPSWICH SFK 246 CCV
BARE SUSAN E 5 IPSWICH SFK 246 CCV
BARE HELLEN G 3 COLCHESTER ESS 246 CCV
BARE JOHN HALLS 48 COLCHESTER ESS 275 CCV
BARE MARIA 24 FRATING ESS 275 CCV
BARE FREDK. 16 IPSWICH SFK 275 CCV
BARE EMMA JANE 11 COLCHESTER ESS 275 CCV
BARE HALLS 1 COLCHESTER ESS 275 CCV
1861 Colchester
BARE JOSEPH 31 Colchester Labourer 1097 82 CCB
BARE LYDIA 28 Colchester Tailoress 1097 82 CCB
BARE JOHN 10 Colchester Scholar 1097 82 CCB
BARE WILLIAM 54 Colchester Gent 1100 10 CCN
BARE JOSEPH HALLS 52 Colchester Fishmonger 1100 10 CCN
BARE SUSANNAH 51 Maldon 1100 10 CCN
BARE MARGARET E 20 Ipswich Assistant 1100 10 CCN
BARE ELLEN 13 Colchester Scholar 1100 10 CCN
BARE WILLIAM 9 Colchester Scholar 1100 10 CCN
BARE WILLIAM ALFRED 2 Colchester Grandson 1100 10 CCN
BARE JOHN HALLS 58 Colchester House Agent 1098 124 CCW
BARE MARIA 34 Frating 1098 124 CCW
BARE AGNES A 30 Colchester Governes 1098 124 CCW
BARE EDWARD J A 21 Colchester Insurance Clerk 1098 124 CCW
BARE MARY H 8 Colchester Scholar 1098 124 CCW
BARE CATHERINE M 3 Colchester 1098 124 CCW
MANNING Mary 29 S in law Frating Mortgagee
CCB Colchester St Botolph
CCV Colchester ?
CCN Colchester St Nicholas
CCW Colchester St Mary at the Walls
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Sorry, posted before the formatting was complete.
1861 William, age 54, is Brother to Joseph Halls Bare
Does anyone know how to preserve formatting when copying from Excel?
Regards CP
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Hi CP
Sorry, I don't seem to have had an email alert for your reply, and I had forgotten I had asked the question!
Have just been playing with paste+BBC tags, but they don't seem to do anything much in preserving tabs or borders, and when I tried to copy & paste back into Excel, it treats each line as a continuous text item (ie without tabs). Yuk!
Can't be helped, other message boards seem to be the same and I suppose the alternative would be too memory-hungry to be practical.
Thank you anyway for the census items, just wish I could figure out which Halls daughter married which Bare son, because the Halls' business does seem to have started thriving from that time onwards.
Cheers
Doreen
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I am researching Halls and have come across a Robert Halls who was a fishmonger in the very early 1800's and have a marraige cert for him for Cosford now Sudbury but home parish was St Peters in Colchester. Also some reference to a Halls fishmonger who was listed as going bankrupt.
Julian
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Hi Julian
Sorry, need a bit more info there... robert was a common name in that family, and all of them, I think, were fishmongers. This isn't actually my family, I'm researching for a friend, and his line is George b 1791, James b 1825, Alfred b 1865 (all Colchester), then George b 1906 St Albans.
I tracked most of them though the censuses and baptisms, so I have quite a lot tied into family groups, but i'd need you to be a bit more specific , or I could be typing all night :(
Willing to help
Doreen
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Unfortunately nothing seems to match. Happy to share Family tree on genes re united if you want to go there for your friend Julian
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Dear Doreen
Apologies for being thirteen years late to respond to your request, but I think I might be able to help you with your request, if you haven't already found what you are looking for.
I have recently been conducting some research into my own family, Baré, and have hit a connection with the Halls from Colchester in the 1790s. My 5 x grandfather William Baré married an Ellizabeth Halls (parents Robert Halls - Mary Nash). Halls has been a prominent second name in my family ever since.
Their first son, Robert William Halls Baré (who was baptised Bear as you point out, no doubt due to the Napoleonic Wars) and his family moved to London where they continued to be fishmongers in the West End. Two generations later, they moved to New Zealand.
Though as pointed out above, many Barés remained in Colchester, with Joseph having the biggest family. There are also a number of Baré families in London who remained.
I would be very pleased to share information with you and in kind to learn from you.
Kind regards, Nicholas
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Hi Nicholas
I'm afraid I deleted the tree 3 years ago after passing over my finds & needed to make space. I would have loved to have helped you, and your info does seem to be right for the Halls I was researching, but i don't even seem to have kept a ged or paf file to restore from. Sorry!
In case you haven't found this yet...
It may help your searches to use https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp (free, just need to reg) because it now shows the mother's name on births 1837-1917, & ages at death 1837-1957. It also shows full middle names. Great in places like Colchester & London where its a problem to sort out who a kid belongs to (mostly). Just remember...Mother's baby, father's maybe :-)
Thank you for replying though. Happy hunting
Doreen
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Dear Nicholas and Doreen
My family Halls lived in Essex . My Gt.Grandfather was a fishmonger in Barking and also a Greengrocer in Barking and East Ham. His daughter also had a greengrocers shop in East Ham. He was also a fried fish dealer in Tollesbury Essex and his son was a fishmonger.
I am not familiar with the names Nicholas has given for the family. Although the family did come from Suffolk. If I can find a connection I will let you know.
Merryman