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Title: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Friday 26 March 10 15:28 GMT (UK)
hi hope you can help trying to trace my family's roots grandfather patrick Doyle and wife Bridget [nee]  peppard of the commons lusk co Dublin.Thank you
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 26 March 10 16:06 GMT (UK)
do you know (even approx.) what years they were born or married ?


Shane
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Friday 26 March 10 16:13 GMT (UK)
sorry dont know exact year but between 1870 1888 .born
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 26 March 10 16:26 GMT (UK)
a little earlier than the years you mentioned, but this one jumps out from the Irish Civil BMD index (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable) as it's in the correct registration district for Lusk :

 Name: Bridget Peppard
 Registration district: Balrothery
 Record type: Birth
 Registration date - quarter and year: 1867
 Volume: 7 / Page: 493

(It's the only one listed as either Peppard or Pepper in the distrct near to that year)
see 2 Minute Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html) for notes on searching the index, ordering certs etc..


Shane
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Friday 26 March 10 16:44 GMT (UK)
Thank you i will search that year hope it is her .Again thank you.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 26 March 10 16:53 GMT (UK)
The IGI (www.familysearch.org) gives some possible additional details for that birth :

 Bridget Peppard
 Birth:  09 May 1867, Dublin         
 Father:  Thomas Peppard    
 Mother: Jane Donnelly


Shane
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Friday 26 March 10 18:00 GMT (UK)
I think she might have been born round a bout1859  sorry  but again thank you  for all the info it is still a great help.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Friday 26 March 10 18:40 GMT (UK)
unfortunately 1859 would be before the start of Civil Registration (1864), so will not in the Civil Index mentioned earlier. You will have check into Church Records for details of Bridget's birth etc... Not sure about Church of Ireland details, but I think Lusk may be in the RC parish of Holmpatrick.


Shane
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: eadaoin on Friday 26 March 10 21:51 GMT (UK)
John Grenham's book says that Lusk was an R.C. Parish with some records from mid 1700s.

James Ryan's book says there's a gap in Lusk 1835-1856

eadaoin
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Saturday 27 March 10 20:05 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that information i will look it up.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: Oaks and Acorns on Wednesday 31 March 10 15:33 BST (UK)
This is what is available for Lusk at the NLI on microfilm P.6616

Baptisms   Sept. 1757 - Aug. 6, 1801   
Marriages   Nov. 20, 1757 - Jan. 12, 1801   
      (This register is in poor condition)   

Baptisms and Marriages   Mar. 11, 1802 - Dec. 27, 1835   
      (The early part of this register is very faint)
   
Baptisms   Aug. 3, 1856 - Dec. 21, 1880   
Marriages   Mar. 6, 1856 - Nov. 22, 1880   

Dara.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Wednesday 31 March 10 22:22 BST (UK)
Hello checked out the census of 1911 and found my grandparents. But how do i go about finding there parents can you point me in the  right direction please and thank you so much for all the work you did :) :)
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: Oaks and Acorns on Thursday 01 April 10 00:31 BST (UK)
If you post a link to the Census entry you found it would be a big help.

Dara.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Thursday 01 April 10 14:57 BST (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Lusk/Lusk__a_/2241/
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 01 April 10 15:17 BST (UK)
The best first step is probably to locate a marriage cert for Patrick and    Bridgid. The census form states that they were married 19 years, which means about 1892. Your can search the Irish Civil Index (http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable) for possible marriages... I'd start with Bridgid as Peppard is a quite rare surname, making the search easier. I see a few possible matches, but none in the registration district that would fit with Lusk (i.e. Balrothery).

 Name: Bridget Peppard
 Registration district: Dublin South
 Record type: Marriage
 Quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1892
 Volume: 2 / Page: 627

 Name: Bridget Peppard
 Registration district: Dublin North
 Record type: Marriage
 Quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1888
 Volume: 2 / Page: 503

Neither fit the date and location exactly - the closest to the date is the one in Dublin South, but the 1888 marriage would be nearer to the north County Dublin area.

I'll have a look and see if I can find a match for a Patrick Doyle for either of these.

You could also confirm the family details by ordering a cert for one of the children - this would show fathers occupation, mothers maiden name etc. There's a good match in the index for one of the children's births :

 Name: Nicholas Doyle
 Registration district: Balrothery
 Record type: MARRIAGES
 Quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1907
 Volume: 2 / Page: 389


 Name: Nicholas Doyle
 Registration district: Balrothery
 Record type: BIRTHS
 Quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1906
 Volume: 2 / Page: 334


Shane

edit - post corrected, I had posted a marriage reference for a Nicholas by mistake.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: Oaks and Acorns on Thursday 01 April 10 15:57 BST (UK)
This looks like a match:

Name: Patrick Doyle
Registration district: Dublin South
Record type: MARRIAGES
Registration date - quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1892
Volume: 2
Page: 627

Dara.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Friday 02 April 10 00:06 BST (UK)
Thank you Dara much appreciated
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Friday 02 April 10 15:37 BST (UK)
Thank you for that info i will look in to that   :)
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: skerries on Thursday 18 August 11 11:19 BST (UK)
hope you can help trying to find if my grandmother Bridget Doyle [nee peppard] had a sister called Catherine who married a sweetman in lusk co dublin. thank you
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 18 August 11 11:20 BST (UK)
any idea of any dates of birth or marriage for Bridget or Catherine ?



Shane
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 18 August 11 11:24 BST (UK)
Your earlier post on Bridget gives an idea of dates but it's possible Catherine was born before the start of civil registration.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,446532.msg3090202.html  Threads Merged

Bridget's marriage certificate should list father's name and occupation which might help get her brith details.

Catherine's marriage certificate should also list fathers name and occupation. See civil registration index to find details needed to order the certificate:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927084
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 18 August 11 12:08 BST (UK)
The best first step is probably to locate a marriage cert for Patrick and    Bridget. The census form states that they were married 19 years, which means about 1892....

 Name: Bridget Peppard
 Registration district: Dublin South
 Record type: Marriage
 Quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1892
 Volume: 2 / Page: 627

....

This looks like a match:

  Name: Patrick Doyle
  Registration district: Dublin South
  Record type: Marriage
  quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1892
  Volume: 2 / Page: 627


Did you try this marriage cert - was it the right one ?



Shane
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: shanew147 on Thursday 18 August 11 13:41 BST (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Lusk/Lusk__a_/2241/

this looks like the same Doyle family in 1901 - still in Lusk, but more detailed place of birth shown for some of the family...

   Doyle household, Great Commons, Lusk (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Lusk/Great_Commons/1265539/)

Looks like father and eldest son born Dublin city, everyone else born County Dublin. So maybe that Dublin South City 1892 marriage could fit ?


Shane
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: Robert Hand on Sunday 22 June 14 15:45 BST (UK)
I'm from Lusk.  I know of two Doyle families from Lusk. I doubt if they are related to each other.
They one from Racecommons are small farmers with Eddie the father and I doubt if from Dublin.  The other, also from just outside Lusk but the opposite side, might well be from Dublin.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: dathai on Sunday 22 June 14 16:47 BST (UK)
Baptism in St Andrews 1893
Patrick Doyle son of Patrick Doyle and Brigid Peppard 4 Brunswick St, sponsor Kate Peppard.
church register not viewable so allow for mistranscription of mothers name.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: Oliverd on Thursday 10 July 14 22:33 BST (UK)
I'm from Lusk.  I know of two Doyle families from Lusk. I doubt if they are related to each other.
They one from Racecommons are small farmers with Eddie the father and I doubt if from Dublin.  The other, also from just outside Lusk but the opposite side, might well be from Dublin.

In Lusk current Graveyard, Paddy Doyle is buried and he was married to a (Kate / Kitty) Rafferty, her brother Thomas was killed during 1916 Rising at Ashbourne as part of Tomas Ashe's men and also buried there, Paddys's sister was married to Dan Brophy but she sadly died young.  All were involved in 1916 Rising.

Seems to have been common for men to have married sisters po men they were fighting with........ probably not surprising really when not knowing who to trust.
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: annclare on Friday 11 July 14 10:37 BST (UK)
hope you can help trying to find if my grandmother Bridget Doyle [nee peppard] had a sister called Catherine who married a Sweetman in lusk co dublin. thank you
There is a record in the civil marriage index for a Catherine Peppard marriage Balrothery registration District 1865 Vol 17 p 492 and a James Sweetman on the same page. However this seem to be an earlier generation than your grandmother?
annclare
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: catchpjd1 on Saturday 05 February 22 22:13 GMT (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Lusk/Lusk__a_/2241/

this looks like the same Doyle family in 1901 - still in Lusk, but more detailed place of birth shown for some of the family...

   Doyle household, Great Commons, Lusk (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Lusk/Great_Commons/1265539/)

Looks like father and eldest son born Dublin city, everyone else born County Dublin. So maybe that Dublin South City 1892 marriage could fit ?


Shane

The Joseph Doyle, aged 2, at the bottom of the census link, was my Grandfather.

Jules
Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 06 February 22 11:21 GMT (UK)

Welcome to RootsChat, Jules  :)


The Joseph Doyle, aged 2, at the bottom of the census link, was my Grandfather.


skerries (the OP) was last online here in June 2016, but if their e-mail hasn't changed they will get a notification of your post and hopefully reply.

You probably have this, but here's the link for others of your grandfather's birth.   #56

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01635/1653799.pdf

Two elder siblings-
Mary Anne born 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01827/1714403.pdf

Nicholas born 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01720/1680615.pdf

KG


Title: Re: doyle family.
Post by: catchpjd1 on Sunday 06 February 22 17:46 GMT (UK)
Thank you, Kiltaglassan. My mother has researched our family tree, and as we're planning a visit to Dublin in a couple of weeks, I thought I might visit Lusk to have a look at the root of her family.