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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: pflanagan132 on Tuesday 16 August 11 16:08 BST (UK)
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In 1930 Bernard Coll married Elizabeth Wraith in Halifax. He was aged 57, and described as as widower. I am trying to find who was his first wife. In 1911 he was working as a farm labourer in Burton Hall, Denbighshire, and was then single.
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Hi
a possible from freebmd
Marriage June qtr 1926
Coll Bernard
Gilgan Margaret
Bucklow 8a 463
Rosie
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Hi Rosie, I am aware of that Bernard who married Margaret Gilgan. He is a member of the same Coll clan who came from Castlerea, Ireland. The Bernard I am chasing died in Calder, Yorkshire, 1955.
Thanks anyway, Patrick
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On FreeBMD there's a birth record for a Bernard Coll in March Q of 1926 in the Halifax Reg District.
Could this be your Bernard's son by his first wife? The maiden name of the mother is given as Brophy.
Jill
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Hi Jill, we have this one covered, the Coll who married Agnes Brophy was Joseph, also part of the Castlerea Colls. Thanks for your interest, this Bernard's first wife is a tough nut to crack.
Patrick
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I expect you've seen the Ancestry tree which has a Rosaline Coll born Roscommon 10 Nov 1923, parents Bernard Coll and Rose McConnon. There are no birth death or marriage details for Bernard or Rose, suggesting they are not known.
Rosaline Coll married Charles Casey in Marylebone 1943, and they have living descendents. No death showing for Rose.
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Hi Marmaduke, I have not seen that tree on Ancestry, but will have a look now. Sadly this is a different Bernard Coll. He was born c. 1875, but lived all his life in Ireland. We had a date of birth for Rosaleen, Nov. 10, 1924, so I am not sure which year is correct, but I think most likely 1924, as a sister was born March 1923, who died as an infant.
Thanks to you and everyone who has responded, we will crack this one eventually.
Patrick
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where does your Bernard say he is from on the 1911 census ?
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Castlerea, Co. Roscommon, Ireland
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so he could have married over there then :)
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No toni, he was described as "single" and was living in worker's accomadation on Burton Hall Farm, Denbighshire.
Patrick
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No toni, he was described as "single" and was living in worker's accomadation on Burton Hall Farm, Denbighshire.
Patrick
He could have returned to Ireland between 1911 and 1930. Have you looked at all the Bernard Coll marriages on https://www.familysearch.org/ for this period
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No toni, he was described as "single" and was living in worker's accomadation on Burton Hall Farm, Denbighshire.
Patrick
this is of course what he said if he told the truth
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Point taken,toni, but there is no record of a marriage for Bernard in Ireland.
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I put Coll in the FreeBMD birth search box and 1911 -1930 as dates. This gives all Coll births and mother's maiden names. Now if I had time I could search for corresponding marriages - Brophy you have discounted, O'Donell, and Jordan in Halifax seem likely candidates but you might need to try more before you find a Coll marriage that matches with Bernard.
Dave
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have you searched the BMD for the whole of Ireland ?
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Hi Dave and Toni, O'Donnell and Jordan are accounted for, also a Bernard Coll married a McConnon in Ireland in 1923, wrong man. Have searched all of Ireland with no luck. Wondering now if he told the truth when he married in 1930 when he described himself as "widower". There would not seem any reason for that.
Patrick