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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: ianocon on Monday 15 August 11 05:40 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace the family of Henry Frost in the early 1800s in Midenhall Suffolk.
I know his son Robert was born there in about 1825 but do not have the birth cert. Robert married Eliza Payn in London in 1846 and father Henry was a salesman.
Henry's daughter Sarah was born in Suffolk (not sure about Mildenhall) in about 1820 and her marriage cert to Henry Olive in 1843 shows father Henry was a Bird Fancier.
Neither marriage cert shows Henry as deceased so he should be somewhere in the 1841 census records but I can't find him.
I'm hoping Parish Records from Mildenhall might give me birth details and leads to Henry's wife as well.
I'm in New Zealand and wondering if I can get those records on line? If not I would really appreciate some local help.
Ianocon
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This marriage appears on Boyds marriage index.
Henry Frost
Elizabeth Carmer
1812
Mildenhall
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Thank you - a wonderfully quick response!
With the mother's name, I'll see if I can trace any of the family births.
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lot of frosts in mildenhall on the suffolk burial index. think this is probably another child:
Henry Frost bur 23 may 1819 age 3 mths Mildenhall
Diddy
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ah - may not be - the family search pilot site has a henry frost b. mar 1819 to george & Susan.
However also has children to Henry & Elizabeth:
James frost 7/11/1819 Mildenhall s/o henry & Elizabeth
Sarah frost 19/11/1820 " "
Eliza Frost 11/2/1827 " "
Diddy
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Familysearch pilot site shows at least 4 children for this couple:
James bp.7/11/1819 Mildenhall, son of Henry and Elizabeth Frost
Sarah bp.19/11/1820 Mildenhall, dau. ditto
Robert bp.2/11/1823 Mildenhall, son ditto
Eliza bp.11/2/1827 Mildenhall, dau. ditto
Annette
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as above but missed one!!
Diddy
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Many thanks Diddy and Annette7.
I've been on the familysearch site and didn't find these children.
Is it simple for you to explain how you do the search to find them?
This might save me asking for help in the future!
Thanks again Ian
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its the old family search pilot site
go to:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
this site will soon be replaced unforunately as i think its a lot better than the new one!
put in frost / mildenhall /baptisms/click on advanced search & put in henry & Elizabeth.
click
Diddy
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btw - might to click on 'continue to pilot' if info about new site comes up.
Diddy
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Got them-thanks Diddy
Also It's possible Henry Frost b 20/7/1794 is the father?
How would I ever confirm that?
Just to keep things complicated his father is Henry and mother Elizabeth!
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I have an Eliza Frost who married Thomas Keep on the 19th June 1848 at Wootton, Bedfordshire,England. Eliza Frost was a milliner.The NSW BDM online index shows her parents were Henry Frost and Mary. However, there is Eliza Frost, daughter of Henry & Elizabeth Frost, who was christened 11th February, 1827 at Mildenhall.
Thomas and Eliza Keep arrived in Sydney on the 28th December, 1848 onboard the Walmer Castle. The shipping lists show that Thomas was 24 years old and Eliza was 21 (giving an est. DOB of 1827). Thomas came from Newport Pagnell, in Buckinghamshire and Eliza came from "Midan Hall" in Suffolk.
From Sydney, they moved to Casino in Northern NSW where Thomas became a trooper.
I've pasted these notes in from my files:
Son Joseph Kidnapped By Aborigines
When their son, Joseph, died in 1927, a terrifying tale emerged where he had been kidnapped by aborigines from Roseberry near Casino while his father was away transporting prisoners to Sydney. It is difficult to imagine his mother’s terror enduring this anguish with her husband away and seemingly extremely isolated with no one to help her.
Kyogle Examiner (NSW : 1912; 1914 - 1915; 1917 - 1954), Tuesday 31 May 1927, page 2
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Five Weeks in Blacks Gamp
ex-casino boy's experience
Stolen when a boy from his home at Kyogle by Roseberry blacks, Mr. Joseph Keep died at Kogarah (Sydney) on May 11. He had conducted a butchering business at Kogarah for the past 31 years. The late Mr. Joseph Keep (cousin of Mr. George Keep, Casino) was a son of the late Mr. Thomas Keep, first police constable to be stationed at Casino, and; afterwards appointed lock-up keeper, the lockup comprising an old slab hut. erected on the. site of Mr. G. K. Imeson's present home. Constable Thomas Keep, was also in charge at Kyogle at about this period, and it was while in residence there that the kidnapping of his young son by the blacks took place. Mrs. Keep was in the habit of engaging a black gin to do her washing, and this gin was blamed for carrying back to her camp the information which led to the kidnapping. Constable Keep was absent at the time, his mission being to escort five prisoners in chains to Sydney. The trip occupied five weeks in a flat-bottomed boat. The blacks took advantage of his absence to raid the home and carry off Master Keep to their camp above Roseberry, where, according to all accounts, he was treated as a little king during his brief but enforced confinement there. Returning from Sydney, Mr. Keep soon learned of his loss and set to work to recover his son from the clutches of the wily blacks. In this adventure he enlisted the co-operation of Constable Thaddeus Walsh, then in charge at Casino, and the pair set out upon an undertaking which, as ex-ents proved, was not to be accomplished without bloodshed. The approach to the blacks' domain was met by a fusillade of spears, and to effect their purpose the approach ing constables found it expedient to bring their firearms into operation. The death of two abos. resulted. Eventually young Keep was rescued and returned to his anxious mother, after having spent five weeks with his new masters. A brother of the late Mr. Joseph Keep (Thomas Keep) was born underneath a bullock waggon at Runny-mede Station when his parents were en route to Wyangarie. He is since deceased. An elder brother, Albert, died and his remains were amongst the very (first to be interred in the Casino cemetery. Undertakers being non.existent, his father made a coffin out of boxes, and in this the remains (were reverently placed for burial. At that time a minister of religion visited Casino from Grafton once a year.
Children:
Name Born Year Married Spouse Died
Mary 1849
Thomas H 1851 1920 St Peters
Joseph 1852 1927
Alfred J 1854 Unrecorded
Lucy 1856
William 1858 Chippendale 1935 Kogarah
Richard 1860 Chippendale 1915 St Peters
Eveline 1861 Chippendale 1862
Julia E 1863 Chippendale 1863
Alice A 1864 Redfern
Florence J 1866 1867
Agnes Eliza 1869 1951
Quite a lengthy reply here but a story worth sharing!
Best wishes,
Rowena
MY profuse apologies for the mistakes in my original entry. Was working too late at night!
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Hi Rowena
What a remarkable story!
How sure are you that the parents of Elizabeth b. 11/2/1827 were Robert and Elizabeth.
I have an Elizabeth born 11/2/1827 to Henry and Elizabeth Frost with siblings James 1819 Sarah 1820. Could be a surprising coincidence about the birth date? My info comes from data provided earlier in this Rootschat chain.
Hopefully we are talking about the same Elizabeth because you have a fascinating story to enrich the family tree,
Regards Ian
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Thomas Keep married Eliza Frost, not an Elizabeth Frost.
Plus, the baptism 11/2/1827 Mildenhall is also for an Eliza Frost, dau. of Henry (not Robert) and Elizabeth. A number of Frost couples baptising children at Mildenhall in the relevant time frame but a) no Elizabeth's baptised, and b) no couple named Robert and Elizabeth were baptising children.
Annette
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Marriage;
19 Jun 1848, St Mary, Wootton, Bedfordshire
Thomas KEEP, Labourer, Father SAMUEL Keep, Shopkeeper
Eliza FROST, Dressmaker, Father HENRY Frost, Gamekeeper
Witnesses Sarah Keep/Jame Guest
(FreeREG)
Maybe naming Elizas Father as Robert by Rowena was a mistake on her part
Trish :)
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Hi Rowena
Can you confirm that you don’t have your Eliza as a daughter of Robert and Elizabeth Frost but as the daughter of Henry and Elizabeth Frost?
Like Anette7 I can’t find a Robert and Elizabeth having children in Mildenhall at that time
I was a bit loose with my interchangeable use of Eliza and Elizabeth.
If you can confirm your parents were Henry and Elizabeth then we have a match.
Regards Ian
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As Robert/Sarah married in the London area and are together with their spouses in 1851 Census this may be their Father in 1851.
1851 Census
Holborn St Andrew, Middlesex
Henry Frost, 56, Head, Mar, Journeyman Poulterer, born Hermendam, Suffolk
Sarah Frost, 47, Wife, Mar, born Hackington
Martha Frost, 7, Daug, born St Luke, Middlesex
Marthas 1845 Bapt has Henry as a Poulterer
1861 Census Henry must have died and in the Islington St Mary Workhouse we have;
Sarah Frost 56 Widow Lacemaker born Kimbolton, Huntingdonshire
Martha Frost 17 born St Lukes
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Martha Frost's birth entry shows mmn as Bazely - Henry Frost, widower, married Sarah Bazely, spinster, 11/3/1833 Shoreditch (possible burial for 1st wife Elizabeth aged 40, bur.11/11/1831 Islington).
Cannot find the family in 1841.
Annette
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Greetings All,
My profuse apologies for a few errors in my posting last night, which I have since corrected. I was clearly working on all of that too late at night.
I mentioned that Eliza Frost and Thomas Keep were married at Wootton in Bedfordshire. I should point out that this is where both Thomas's parents and grandparents were married. That said, I'm not sure that he was living in the area. Just thought I'd explain that connection.
Best wishes,
Rowena