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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: cwr1404 on Monday 15 August 11 01:36 BST (UK)
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Hi all. I'd be very grateful if someone could take a look at the following image and help with transcribing it. This is the first time I've transcribed a document this old and have only been learning about Secretary Hand for the past few days. So far I have:
To the most reverent Father in god William Archbisshop of Canterbury and Channceller of England
unto your gracious Lordshipp your dayly Oratour Rychard Appulby that hyere is he in peacible possessed and seased/feafed? of ___ ___ and ____ withyn the Countye of Cumberland ___ do means as of fee and soo? seased/feafed? gracious Lord Dynes? evydence _______ the _____ ben? comen to chandes? and possession of Arthur Wirwy? & Gaweyn Warwyk and John Dawton of? ______ hath desired _____ of the said evydences and ajuysments? which to due they and _____ of theym _______ all ryht and good consience [.] And by cause your said Oratour knowing not the ______ numbre of the said evydences ... they be conteyned he is without remedy by the courts of the comen land [.] Please it here? for your grace ... writt sub pena to be dyrected to the said Arthure Gawyn and John comandynt them by the same? ... at a _____ day and _____ ______ ______ by your ______ to be Lymetted there to be answerd to ch___ ... and shall ________
I also need help with the text in the bottom right as I can't really make much sense of it. Thank you in advance.
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I think it's called court hand, and yes, it is terrible to decipher.
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The word that looks like seased is feafed - it's to with the transfer of land. If you look up 'Feoffment' in the dictionary (online or a book!) it should give you a proper definition.
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Hi pinefamily. Yes, i think secretary and court hand are the same thing. Thanks Archivos. I guessed it was about property/land as it mentions peacable possession so thought it was more likely feafed than seased.
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I understand the term feoffment etc., but my memory bell is ringing. Seased, or seized, I think is also an old term to do with property transfers etc.
Of course, inevitably, I will be proven wrong. :)
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Guesswork here:
...Cumberland which demesne is of fee and so seased
vv.
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I understand the term feoffment etc., but my memory bell is ringing. Seased, or seized, I think is also an old term to do with property transfers etc.
Of course, inevitably, I will be proven wrong. :)
Yup, spot on! - see...
Guesswork here:
...Cumberland which demesne is of fee and so seased
vv.
Aha, I think you're right! It's seased, not feafed - the f in fee is totally different.
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hath desired _____ of the said evydences and ajuysments? which to due they and _____ of theym
think it's "hath desired delyv[er]ie of the said evydences charters and agryments which to doe they and ev[er]y of theym" (which they obviously haven't hence Richard trying to get a supoena!)
Ermy
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at a _____ day and _____ ______ ______ by your ______ to be Lymetted there to be answerd to ch___ ... and shall ________
think its "at a c[er]teyn day and under a c[er]teyn payn by your grace to be lymetted there to answer to the .... as shall requyre"
I think Arthur's surname is also Warwyk, wonder if there was another brother called Lancelot!
Ermy