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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: aidansrest on Saturday 13 August 11 14:04 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I wonder if anybody can help me trace the parents of this child:
George Lewis H Raine
He was born (County Durham), on the 11th February 1910, dying within the Durham Northern RD in 1992.
He married Louisa Herdman during the September quarter of 1937 (Lanchester).
But who were his parents? I am unable to find him on the 1911 census.
His relative seems to think that his father may have been a Samuel Raine from Mickleton, but can't find any link - don't really want to buy any certificates.
Cannot find his birth on FreeBMD either, date retrieved from 'ancestry' along with death.
Any ideas anyone??
Thanks
Sue
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Hello,
as you have probably found - there are several Georges born about that time but none quite with the right name. 1911 census shows a similar situation.
As far as I can see, your only option is to get his marriage certificate for his father's name.
best wishes
heywood
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Or his birth certificate as you have a date, as this way you will get both his father and mother names.
JR
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Presumably the date has come from the death certificate - in which case it might be incorrect ???
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Hi All,
His birth date was extracted from the 'ancestry' website from the birth/death/marriage indexes and has been confirmed by a member of his family.
She thought his father may have been a Samuel Raine and his mother Margaret Bell. I have found a marriage for this couple in 1901, but no trace of them in 1911!!
Sue
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His birth date was extracted from the 'ancestry' website from the birth/death/marriage indexes and has been confirmed by a member of his family.
presumably then they have the birth certificate?
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No, I think she actually remembers him and his year of birth at least,
Sue
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Looked at the place of Samuel and Margaret's marriage and it was St Edmund, Edmundbyers.
But why Mickleton Raines? As they are many Raine's in this area in Romaldkirk, Mickleton etc etc.
JR
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The marriage I can see is for Samuel Raine and Margaret Jane Bell. Is that right?
The district is Weardale and there is a 1909 marriage for Margaret Jane Raine to Ralph Currah.
Looking at 1911 indexes, I can't see a George with them.
Does any of this ring a bell with his relative?
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There is a GRO index for a Lewis Heslop Raine 1910 (1) Teesdale 10a 297
Could that be him?
Joan
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Yes!! That must be him, thank you so much!!
Sue
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Hi All,
Just found him myself using freebmd, definately registered as Lewis Heslop Raine (March quarter of 1910 = Teesdale), but still a mystery as to his whereabouts in 1910.
Anybody clever enough to find him?
Sue
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I've been looking on the 1911 free index, but can't see any suitable candidate yet, I'm afraid.
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Wonder if these are the parents?
Marriage with possible spouses:
June quarter 1909 Auckland 10a 422
Mary Emma Heslop
George Raine
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Found them!! On 1911 census transcribed uner 'Kaine' but when opened up, most definately Raine.
Father Samuel Raine, born 1865 and mother, Margaret Jane, born 1875.
George is listed as
George L H Kaine aged one year, born in Mickleton.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions!
Sue
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George Louis Heslop Raine was my Great Uncle George, whom I remember very well. He was my grandmothers brother. They moved to Catchgate in the early 1920's (i think) after some disagreement over Belle Settle Farm in Mickleton-so the story goes. Uncle George & Auntie Louie lived in Annfield Plain & have 2 sons
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I have re-read your original question
His parents were Samuel Raine b.1864 Mickleton & Margaret Jane Bell b.1874 Leadgate
Samuels parents were
Thomas Raine c.1832 Mickleton & Elizabeth Raine c.1833 Mickleton
Thomas' parents were William Raine c.1804 Mickleton & Jane ? c.1807
I am now stuck as I have Raines marrying Raines & all of them living in Mickleton!!
Let me know if you have anymore questions as I have loads of research
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Hi,
I am a close friend of George Raine's son and his wife. I am helping to research the family tree and have this week been to Mickleton to look at Belle Settle Farm. Do you have any knowledge on what the dispute was over at the farm?
Regards,
Joyce
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A few years ago I traveled around all the graveyards in this area and transcribed all the Rayne/Raine inscriptions I could find, so I thought that I was sure to have some useful ancestral info for you. There were many Rayne/Raine farms, including Park End, Step End, Corn Park, High Corn Park, Saddle Bow, Low Selset, etc. (and that is just those south of the river!), but unfortunately I can't find any with a connection to Belle Settle Farm. My ancestors moved north of the Tees in the early 1500s from Thringarth and I have been unable to find any connection to any of these farms.
Incidentally, I see that last year someone was looking for permission to demolish Belle Settle and I hope they never succeed:
http://teesdale.planning-register.co.uk/Web%20Importer%20Attachments/20562/11.0297.DPStephen%20Armitage%20Objection.pdf
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Hi,
The occupant of Belle Settle Farm was William Raine, b. 1811, and his wife, Jane. William was still there in 1881 census. He was a joiner/farmer and he had a son (amongst others), Thomas, b. 1832 who married Elizabeth Raine, b.1833. I think they moved to Eggleston. They had a son, Samuel, b. 1865 who in turn had a son George Louis who was born in Annfield Plain and is the late father of a friend of mine. Sorry if the info is a bit lacking but I have passed all my findings on to the family. William lived at Belle Settle for quite some time. If you find anything of interest about the family we would love to hear. We had a look at Mickleton Churchyard a couple of weeks ago but were not sure if anyone there was of this part of the family. Some had moved to Eggleston as I said.
Cheers, Joyce
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I did note a monumental inscription at Egglestone as follows:
Elizabeth wife of Thomas Raine of Egglestone
died Jan 12 1885 aged 53
Jane daughter, died June 22 aged 22
Emma daughter, died Jul 8 1889 aged 21
Frederick son, died Oct 12 1893 aged 22
Thomas the above, died Dec 6 1905 aged 74
As Samuel was living in Anfield Plain, he would have been buried nearer there.
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Thank you for that. We shall pay a visit to Eggleston shortly.
Regards, Joyce
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You may also be interested by the info contained in the Mickleton Lease of 1607, which gives an idea of some of the Raines who farmed in the area (the downloadable document is quite fascinating):
http://www.lunedaleheritage.org.uk/mickleton_lease.htm
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Anyone doing the raines in Eggleston, I would suggest getting the Clevelands FHS Eggleston MI's done in 1992, as it has quite a few Raines in it.
JR
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Thank you. Will pass the message on and hopefully find some info from it.
Cheers, Joyce
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George Raine was my grandmother's younger brother. His parents were Samuel Raine and margeret jane Bell. My grandma was Florence Raine. I remember him a little bit as he lived in Annfield Plain Count Durham near my gran. The Raines were indeed from Mickleton.
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Hi Cathryn,
Thank you for your message. I am only helping the family to research and will pass your message on to my friends, one of George's sons and his wife. Have you any idea why the family left Belle Settle Farm in Mickleton all those years ago?
Joyce
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Hello Joyce, I have no idea why they left Belle settle. My cousin commented on here earlier and she has done more research than me on the family. My dad died several years ago and I always regret not asking more questions about the family! If I find out more I will let you know.
My memories of Uncle George are faint but I remember going over to the house and reading the Sunday post comics!
Best regards, Cathryn
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Hi Cathryn,
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Joyce, Message sent. Thanks.
Cathryn
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Hi Joan,
Yes, you could be right - still unable to trace him in 1911 though!!
Sue
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Hi Sue,
RG14 Piece 29808 ED 3 Reg. Distr. No. 548
2, Bendle Terrace, Mickleton
Samuel Raine 46
Margaret J. " 36
John. T. " 9
Samuel P. " 8
Florence M. " 5
Margaret A. " 3
George L. H. " 1
Ancestry has it as George S. H Raine - clearly a wrong transcription
Joan