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hi,
would anybody have info on a clara johnson d of benj johnson boatman.
mar:- 1902 nov 20 beauchamp george to johnson clara d benjamin johnson boatman
thanks chas
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FreeBMD has the marriage.....
George Beauchamp to Clara Johnson in December 1902 in the Oxford Registration District (volume 3a page 1851)
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thanks i have that info already on file
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Hi Chas,
What sort of info are you after? If you are struggling to find a birth etc, I suggest that you look on the 1911 census for Clara Beauchamp, which would give you an idea of date of birth and place of birth. Remember also that if the JOhnson family were permanent boatmen, then it is possible that Clara could have been born in one place, but then registered somewhere else.
In the meantime, I shall have a look and see if I can find any likely candidates for Clara and her parents.
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Not found anything concrete yet, but I looked at the 1891 census and found a Benjamin Johnson with his wife Betsy and sons Frederick (15) and Benjamin (4). They are at Bath Loading Stage, Ashby de la Zouch. In the next boat enumerated are a family of Beauchamps (but no George). RG12; Piece: 2511; Folio 93; Page 48
(In 1881 Benjamin and Betsey can be found with daughter Caroline).
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Same family in 1901 (and with Beauchamps just down the moorings) RG13; Piece: 1406; Folio: 73; Page: 46
Am starting to go off this line as being Clara's parents - you would think that she would appear on at least one census with them!
Do you have a copy of the marriage cert for Clara and George? Does it say whether Benjamin was deceased?
Suspect that this is George in 1891 RG12; Piece: 2511; Folio 65; Page 61
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There is a death in 1916 of a Benjamin JOhnson of Thrup Oxfordshire, with administration granted in 1926 to Benjamin Johnson, boatman effects totalling £326.
Benjamin JOhnson left a will which might be worth looking at, once you have established if this is indeed the right Benjamin Johnson!
You definitely need Clara's birth cert, which will tell you both parents names. I suspect that this is Clara - Jun qtr 1883, Woodstock, 3a 821
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thanks spiderman,
sent for clara's b/cert last friday.
2 benj johnsons oxford, 1 is not a boatman the other is, the problem is on the 1911, benj boatman is shown having 3 children, 2 living, 1 deceased, clara is not 1 of these children.
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sent for clara's b/cert last friday.
2 benj johnsons oxford, 1 is not a boatman the other is, the problem is on the 1911, benj boatman is shown having 3 children, 2 living, 1 deceased, clara is not 1 of these children.
Yes, that was the stumbling block in my grand theory!! Although 2 thoughts did then spring to mind - 1) perhaps Clara and Caroline are the same person (although this is not hugely likely due to the disparity in ages); and
2) perhaps Caroline was Betsey's daughter from a prior relationship (and so when the 1911 census asks about children, it is from the current relationship).
Fingers crosed the b/cert will be with you soon! Do let us know the parents names!
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Who were the witnesses to the George and CLara wedding - do they shine any light on family members?
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your info below is of interest, how see this item on line? also ben-far & bet-mor to clara
chas
There is a death in 1916 of a Benjamin JOhnson of Thrup Oxfordshire, with administration granted in 1926 to Benjamin Johnson, boatman effects totalling £326.
Benjamin JOhnson left a will which might be worth looking at, once you have established if this is indeed the right Benjamin Johnson!
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Hi,
Have you seen this Clara in 1891? Transcribed as JOHNSON but I think the image looks like JOHNSTON,
1891 RG12/1169 f.18 p.29 St Thomas, Oxfordshire
S T Orphanage, Osney Lane
Clara JOHNSTON None S 6 Orphan Scholar Oxfords
Regards,
Daisy
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hi,
the proverbial brick wall, a birth cert gives me a betsy humpheries, however the usual trawl has given no info on her, have tried eliza, elizabeth. also tried the humphries of ensham and oxford.
has anybody hit the same wall? any clues or hints welcome
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your info below is of interest, how see this item on line? also ben-far & bet-mor to clara
chas
There is a death in 1916 of a Benjamin JOhnson of Thrup Oxfordshire, with administration granted in 1926 to Benjamin Johnson, boatman effects totalling £326.
Benjamin JOhnson left a will which might be worth looking at, once you have established if this is indeed the right Benjamin Johnson!
Apologies Chas, I didn't see this question earlier. The probate indexes are on Ancestry (upto 1941) which is where I got the information.
For information about how to get hold of the will, see here - http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/courts/probate/family-history.htm
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So it is looking likely that the Benjamin and Betsey information that was found earlier is the correct family - except that we still have the problem of Clara never appearing with them, and the discrepancy of number of children on the 1911 census (which could be explained if Caroline was Betsey's daughter from a previous relationship).
Betsey's birth -
1881: bn 1846 Oxfordshire
1891: bn 1851 Oxford
1901: bn 1851 Oxford
1911: bn 1849 Jericho, Oxford
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Benjamin JOhnson mar Bets(e)y Humphries Jun qtr 1877 Oxford 3a 912
Betsey Humphris in 1861 RG9; Piece: 2243; Folio: 17; Page: 28
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Betsey's birth -
1881: bn 1846 Oxfordshire
1891: bn 1851 Oxford
1901: bn 1851 Oxford
1911: bn 1849 Jericho, Oxford
Just popping in to confirm that Jericho is an area of Oxford within walking distance of the city centre. It's tucked in between Walton Street (home of Oxford University Press) and the Oxford Canal.
Regards,
Carol
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hi,
info below may be of interest, think it stands scrutiny. hope the moderator has not cleared.
chas
Note that the births, marriages have been collated from the ICG and may be inaccurate, some of the information is supported by Govt Census records, this information is for Ensham/Eynsham, Oxon, unless otherwise indicated.
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Willm Humprhries = Elizb Eynsham
John 5/2/1792
Thomas 30/3/1794
Mary 31/7/1796
Ann 1798
Samuel 6/2/1800
From Mar Transcripts by Gibson
Thomas Humphries = Hannah Kiddle 1816 Eynsham
Samuel Humpries = Sarah Simpson 1822 Eynsham
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Thomas Humphries = Hannah Kindle
John brn 5/9/1817
bap 28/9/1817
William 14/1/1820
23/1/1820
James 24/7/1822
11/8/1822
Samuel 14/3/1825
and
Mary twins
Charles 17/7/1827
14/8/1827
William Humphries married Mary Miles at Ensham, Oxon, on 28/11/1840
Mary Ann Humphries married George Smith at Ensham, Oxon, on 7/2/1841.
James Humphries married Sarah Pickett at Ensham, Oxon, on 26/12/1842
John Humphries 62 of Ensham, Oxon, and his wife Elizabeth Humphries 61 of Curdlington, Oxon, are shown on the Census of 1881, at Oxford St Clements. They are shown as inmates at the Oxford Workhouse, Cowley Road, Oxford, John Humphries is shown Boatman. Ref:-RG11/1500/85/5.
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Samuel Humphries = Sarah Simpson
Robert brn 23/2/1823
bap 23/3/1823
Henry 22/6/1825
17/7/1825
George 14/9/1827
14/10/1827
George deceased between 1827-37
Daniel 7/1/1830
7/2/1830
Sarah 8/1/1832
22/1/1832
Sarah deceased 21/1/1833
Rachael 9/3/1836
` 18/4/1836
George 19/12/1837
7/1/1838
Samuel 14/6/1840
12/7/1840
Robert Humphries 58 of Ensham, Oxon, and his wife Ann Humphries 56 of Oxford, with their son John Humphries 18 of Oxford, are shown on the Census of 1881, at Napton, Warks. They are shown as on canal boat at Folley Lock, Napton, Robert and John Humphries are shown Boatmen, Ann Humphries is shown with"Disability" Deaf. Ref:-RG11/3115.
Henry Humphries 44 of Ensham, Oxon, and his wife Sarah Humphries 55 of Hanbury, Oxon, and their children Bertha J. Humphries 17 of Tipton, Staffs, Samuel Humphries 13 of Tipton, Staffs, and Mary A. Humphries 13, Visitor of Napton, Warks, are shown on the Census of 1881, at Tipton, Staffs. They are shown living at 139 Dudley Port, Henry Humphries shown Lab, Bertha J. Humphries shown Pupil Teacher. Ref:-RG11/2865/32/6.
Daniel Humphries 55 of Ensham, Oxon, and his wife Elizb Humphries 50 of Ensham, Oxon, with their son Harry Humphries 12 of Napton, Warks, they are shown on the Census of 1881, at Bartington, Cheshire. They are shown boat on canal, boat "Exeter" , Daniel Humpries is shown Captain of Barge, Harry Humphries shown Mate of Barge. Ref:-RG11/3512/113/4.
Daniel Humpries 67 of Ensham, Oxon, and his wife Ann Humphries 65 of Oxford, ars shown on the Census of 1891, at Oxford St Thomas. They are shown living at 17 Upper Fisher Row, and Daniel Humphries is shown retired Boatman. Ref:-RG12/1168.
Samuel Humphries 51 of Ensham, Oxon, and his wife Ellen Humphries 49 of Cumnor, Oxon, with their children all born Ensham, Oxon, Sarah 10, Arthur 9, Bertie 4, and Thomas Lamborne, S, 28, of Ensham, Oxon, are shown on the Census of 1891, at Braunston, Northampt. Samuel Humphries is shown Captain, Thomas Lamborne shown Boatman. Ref:-RG12/1205.
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William Humpries = Mary Miles
James brn 11/9/1841
bap 6/10/1841
Emma bap 31/12/1843, at Kidlington, Oxon ie/ Thrupp, Oxon
Louisa 24/12/1845
18/3/1845
William brn 1/10/1846
Emma 4/1/1848
6/2/1848
Joseph 14/3/1853, at Kidlington
10/4/1853
Elizabeth bap 18/12/1849 at Kidlington
Elizabeth bap 21/9/1851 at Kidlington
Phoebe Ann bap 8/4/1855 at Kidlington
George bap 5/4/1857 at Kidlington
William Humphris 61 of Ensham, Oxon, and his wife mary Humphris 59 of Witney, Oxon, and their daughter Eliza Humphris 31 of Thrupp, Oxon, are shown on the Census of 1881, at Kidlington, Oxon. They are shown living at Thrupp, and William Humphris is shown Boatman (Canal), Mary Humphris shown as Boatmans wife, and Eliza Humphris is shown Domestic servant out of Employ. Ref:-RG11/1511/57.
William Humphris 35 of Ensham, oxon, and his wife Mary A. Humphris 30 of Oxford, Oxon, with their children all born Thrupp, Oxon, Mary A. 10, Caroline 8, Thomas J. 6, Elizabeth 5, Sarah 4, Anne J. 2, Clara 3mths, they are shown on the Census of 1881, at Kidlington, Oxon. They are shown on the Canal Boats "Caroline & Maryann", and William Humphries is shown Boatman. Ref:RG11/ 79/27.
Joseph Humpries 28 of Thrupp, Oxon, and his wife Harriet Humpries 24 of Thrupp, Oxon, and their children Harry 5 of Thrupp, Oxon, Charles W. 2 of Thrupp, Oxon, Ethel M. Humphries of Thrupp, Oxon, are shown on the Census of 1881, at Napton On Hill, Warks. They are shown Canal Boat, Folley Locks, and Joseph Humphries is shown as Boatman. Ref:-RG11/3115/64/24.
George Humpries 24, Um, of Thrupp, Oxon, is shown on the Cernsus of 1881, at Oxford St Giles. He is shown as Patient, Radcliffe Infy, and shown as Boatman. ref:-RG11/ 1500/39/3
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Hello, you mention George Beauchamp marrying Clara - this was my grand parents name. They lived on the canal for at least two generations before. There is some tie up with Oxford and a row of cottages on the canal there - something like Fisher Row I think. Don't know if any of this helps.
regards
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Hello again,
Sorry forgot to mention that the name Humphreys is also mentioned - I believe that a census shows two children by the name of Humphreys living with them and their children on the canal. George & Clara's children were, Albert (known as Joe - my father), Abel (my father's twin brother, George, Lucy and Fanny (might be Francis).
regards