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Parish Records 1860 Carlisle
Looking for the marriage details of Timoteo Barella's marriage to Jane Humphreys within the Carlisle R.D in the June qtr of 1860...I need to Know Timoteo's father's name in the hope I can connect him to Pietro Barella in Holborn, London
Thanks
Bryant
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Hi Bryant
http://shrinkalink.com/46029
Says his father was Joseph BARELLA. b abt 1800.
In the 1871 Census in Durham, "Timothy", a widower, has an Aunt, Appolina BARELLA widow, age 63 in the household - she was born Hexham, Northumberland.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/18611/pages/1717/page.pdf
1829 - a partnership was dissolved between: Angel MOLLENI, Clement BARELLA, Joseph BARELLA who had carried on a business at 169 PilgrimSt, Newcastle on Tyne, Dealers in Sheffield Cutlery, London Toys, Jewellrey, Gilt & Steel Toys...
Timothy BARELLA, widower late of Silver St, Durham - died 8 March 1874 at Germasini, Italy. Probate granted 10 March 1883 in Durham, to his son Clement BARELLA of 33 Glebe St, Sunderland.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Bryant
I can concur that Timoteo's father was Giuseppe Barella born 19th August 1797 in Como, Lombardia. He had a brother called Giovanni born 1800.
Their father was called Giovanni Battista Barelli born 1773.
There may have been more than these 2 children but I cant find them at the moment.
Do you know your Pietro's parents, Grandparents??
Dont know if you know but Jane Humphries was born in Sunderland
but lived as a stepdaughter in Wigton, Cumbria where my family come
from. Thats why they were married in Carlisle which is the next big town to it.
Hope this helps
regards Sandymc
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Hello all
Thankyou AMBLY for the info on the death of Timoteo and the dissolvement of the business.....so the Barella's were around in 1829!
Thankyou Sandymac for the father of Timoteo and his brother and there father, I don't know if they are connected to Pietro but I have built Timoteo's tree just in case!
Domenico (Dominic) Barella was Pietro's father, I only ordered the marriage cert of Pietro Barella & Susan Williams in 1859 a couple of days ago but iv'e been informed that Domenico Barella is Pietro's father.
Within the Holborn R.D in 1861 their are 3 Barella's all of which come from Italy (one from Como, Italy) and they are all Looking glass makers or looking glass frame makers
49 Hatton Gardens, Saffron Hill Liberty, Holborn
Rodolfo Barella aged 23 Como, Italy
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14 Cross Street, Saffron Hill Liberty, Holborn
Antonio Barella aged 21 Italy
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21 Gough Street, St Pancras
Pietro Barella aged 23 Italy
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And here he is with his wife Susan living with among others a Williams family in the same 1861 census, are they Susan's family?
1861 census
6 Eyre Street, St Andrew Holborn, London, Middlesex
Pietro Borrello.................Head.........23...........P Frame Maker...........................Italy
Susan........".....................Wife..........20...............................................................St Andrew, Middlesex
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Bryant
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Hi Bryant
I am looking at the copy of the church ledger of the wedding and it does say that Dominico is the Father of Pietro but it says he is a Farmer but Pietro is a Frame maker.
Just wondered if the scribe wrote it wrong? Susans father Joss Williams is deceased but is classed as a shoemaker. They were married on 11th December 1859 at
St Phillip, Clerkenwell.
I did find a Domenico Barella in Como who died in 1866. Also a
Giovanni Domenico Barella who married Maria Margherta
They just need putting together.
regards Sandymc
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Hello Sandymc
I got the marriage cert yesterday
11th Dec 1859 Church of St Philip, Clerkenwell
Pietro Barella of full age, a bachelor, frame maker of 33 Bath Street. Father's name is Dominics Barella a farmer.
Susan Williams of full age, a spinster, of 33 Bath Street. Susan's Father's christian name is not stated but it states he is deceased and he was a shoemaker.
witnesses are Dominics Ricca and a name of about six letters which could be anything?
1861 census
40 Hatton Gardens, Saffron Hill Liberty, Holborn, London, Middx
(one of many at number 40)
Domenico Ricca......servant.....40 married...looking glass frame maker.....Italy
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1861 Holborn
Are these three Barella's brothers? as seen in the 1861 census, Pietro, Antonio and Rodolfo.
Their are three Barella's in the 1861 census, all are in Holborn, London and all three are Looking glass makers or looking glass frame makers
6 Eyre Street, Holborn, London & 21 Gough Street, St Pancras, London
Pietro Barella...........................23 picture frame maker....................................Italy
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49 Hatton Gardens, Saffron Hill Liberty, Holborn, London
Rodolfo Barella.......servant.....23 unmarried....looking glass frame maker.................Como, Italy
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14 Cross Street, Saffron Hill Liberty, Holborn, London
Antonio Barella.......servant.....21 unmarried....looking glass maker...........................Italy
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Bryant
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Hi Bryant
I think this family is connected and related in some way.. Probably share the same Grandparents somewhere. They all come from Como and even in the 1800's didnt have such a large population.
It was also strange that a few of the family name came to England about the same time. Seemingly, in Como area they were being taken over by the Austrian Empire and then the French and then back to the Austrians. I suppose we will never know exactly why they moved to England but if they were frightened of being killed or all of their goods taken by marauding Governments they probably thought lets go somewhere new. Wondered if they might be Jewish as the Jews were moved from many countries whether they were good or bad!!!At least these lads had a occupation and were glass framers or makers so that went for them and not against them.
My friend always said, "What goes for you doesnt go by you"
regards Sandymc
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Hi - I am new to Rootschat but signed up when this thread appeared on a Google search.
My grandmother's grandfather was the Timothy Barella that married Jane Humphreys. Jane was indeed born in Sunderland, the daughter of Thomas Humphreys and Charlotte Rutherford. Charlotte re-married after Thomas died to a Matthew Rogan in Carlisle. Matthew Rogan was a travelling merchant.
I have been trying to trace the Italian ancestry of the Barella family so I am very interested in the source of the information on the death of Timothy in Germasino. It certainly would explain why I have never been able to find a record of his death in the UK. I also see via the web that an Ambrogio Barella is reputed to have been born 27 Sep 1828 in Gravedonna or Germasino but no sources are quoted.
My research indicates a possible alternative pedigree for Timothy. In the 1871 census Timothy is residing with his 3 children and his aunt Appolina. Jane, his wife, had died 19 Feb 1870 from Phthsis Pulmonalis at their home in Durham City. The aunt was the wife of Clement Barella and they were married in 1852 when she was 44 and he was 47. The marriage certificate states that Clement's father was also Clement, a farmer.
It is safe to assume that Timothy's father and Clement were brothers. In his marriage certificate in 1860 Timothy's father is given as Joseph Barella, a jeweller. My conclusion was therefore that Clement had at least 2 sons, Joseph and Clement.
I realise that this contradicts the lineage of Giovanni Battista given in this thread but maybe there is a generation missing?
Grateful for any response to this message
Regards
Joe990
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FRAMER - / -FARMER? Accent problems? Mispelling or misreading problems? Ciao. bob
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Marriage certificate clearly states farmer. Have been trying to imagine how a geordie would interpret an Italian saying 'farmer' and I think you may have a point! It certainly ties in withthe occupation of other Barellas arriving from That part of Como.
For Bryant: happy to share information on the north eastern Barella family.
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Hi Joe
You can imagine a guy from down South trying to understand Jordie
never mind a Italian who is trying to speak English/Jordie.
No offence ment to anyone but I bet it was a great laugh.
Also if the Barellas had to write their own names and occupations
it would not be hard for them to confuse English words like
Farmer/Framer which have the same letters.
I have followed the stories of the Barellas since they were put
on here Rootschat and find it a fascinating story and great they
survived to an old age and lived a good life. Well done the Barellas
regards Sandymc
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Sorry for hijacking an old thread but I'm a definite descendant of the Barella's from Sunderland, Tyne & Wear (aka Durham area) and keen to have my fathers family history traced.
Does anyone know where I should begin?! Maybe someone somewhere has most of this history documented already?
Much appreciated :)
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As you can see from my earlier post, I too am a descendant of the Barellas through my paternal grandmother. If you can let me know where your connection is then I can pass on what I know. Whilst I may not have a record of your father I will most certainly have details of your Barella grandparent.
Regards
Joe990
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Sure my fathers mother and my grandmother, Joyce Barella Wilkinson (nee Dixon) was one of the 22 children Timothy fathered. My email address is ................. if you'd prefer to talk off-board.
Thank you :)
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Hi
I have removed your email address to avoid spamming and other abuse. If you click on the green scroll under a poster's name you can access our personal message system which is private. How nice to make contact with family members.
Regards
Andrea
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Ah so that's how! Lol. My apologies and thanks :)
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I was doing research for a friend who is related to an Appolina Barella who came to Australia. She may have been a Mrs Cummins who arrived in Cooktown Far North Queensland in 1883 on the Duke of Buccleagh from Plymouth. She was a very elusive person who changed her name a lot. She died in Newcastle NSW in 1906 and on her death registration her parents were given as Clement and Maud. Her name was Appolina Richard(s) when she died having married a ship's captain called Richard Richard or Richards not long before her death, though at least one child was born to this couple long before that. The best estimate we can make for her birth year is around 1857. In one piece concerning her in an Australian Newspaper she said she was a native of Durham. The only Appelina or Appolina Barella who fits her dates in Durham died in 1882! I was alerted when I saw that Timoteo had 22 children by a few different mothers into thinking that maybe Clement (who married Appolina Sallancy) did the same?? Can anyone solve the mystery around this Appolina Barella please??
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Hello
My sister's son in law is David Barella and I have given details of your email address to my sister to pass on and hopefully David will contact you and you can have a chat. I did all the original research but lost it all on a FTM on the computer and I don't know if I passed on the history in paper form?
Bryant (Richard)
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Hi I'm Kelly, I am a definite descendant of Timoteo Barella and Jane Humphreys. I have only recently started to look into the Barella side of my family and would love to find out some more about this side of the family. My Great Nana Vera (Veronica Barella) was one of the 17 children fathered by Timothy Barella and Barbara Dixon. I would like to find out more about the Italian side of the family and how they ended up in the UK. Thank you for any help :)
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Hi Kelly, I was doing the research for a friend so it is not my family. However I did find a newspaper article from the Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette of 11 January 1934. It reported that the Sunderland magistrates had made an order against Timothy Barella of Nile Street, to pay his wife Barbara 16 shillings a week for herself and three children. She was also given leave to apply for an increase when he obtained employment. You'll be glad to know that he was not convicted of the persistent cruelty that Barbara accused him of, in that instance. However, in 1939 the same publication reports that she has filed for a separation order on the grounds of adultery and desertion. It says that they married in 1928 (confirmed - they married in Sep qtr 1928 - registration: Sunderland 10a 1369) and she now has 5 children, but he has gone to live with another woman. I do not know where the 17 children come in. You can find out more about the families of Timothy and Barbara on anC*stry in a tree called Rice family tree put up by jimrice138. I don't know whether you will be able to see all of it if you have not got a subscription to Ancestry. However, there is a free births, marriages and deaths website for the UK which should help you follow the family back. Way back the Barella family originated in Genoa in Italy, Good luck with your research, LNC
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HI Kelly,
Timoteo Barella was my paternal grandmother's grandfather and i have been able to find documented evidence of his background. The Barella family are believed to have arrived in Italy from Switzerland and initially settled in Garzeno, a village close to the border between the two countries. Some time later a member of the family moved further down the valley and settled in Germasino, closer to Lake Como.
The first recorded ancestor was Ambrogio Barella who had a son Clemente who married Maria Camota in Germasino. They had 5 children one of whom was Giuseppe, born 10 January 1800. Giuseppe married Caterina Borelli on 21 February 1820 in Germasino and they had six children the eldest of whom was Timoteo. Timoteo was baptised Timoteo Ippolito Sinforiano Barella, these being the names of the three saints whose feast days were his date of birth.
We do not know why Timoteo came to England although he was working with his Uncle Clement as a jeweller. Many other Barellas left Italy and there is a significant branch of the family in Holland where they were barometer makers. Remembering that Italy did not exist as a country until 1872 there was also the possibility that locals were being conscripted into the Austro Hungarian army to fight against other 'Italian" districts.
Hope this helps - I have given you the direct line names but I also have details of the various siblings as well. I was fortunate in making contact with a current resident of Germasino who has done a lot of research on the local families.
Best wishes
Joe
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Hi Kelly and Joe990,
Sorry I was in a hurry when I wrote here about the Barelli's origin and just wrote Genoa off the top of my head. I should have checked. Thank you, Joe990, for making it clear where they came to England from originally, which was definitely Germasino near Lake Como.
I did not know about the earlier Swiss connection or the history of Italy as a country.
I still have not found out much about the origins of my friend's Appolina Barella who was quite a colourful character here in Australia in the latter part of the 19th century.
Thanks again and Best Wishes,
LNC
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Durham Records Online has two pages of Barella names.
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/SearchResults.php
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Hi Kelly.
How did you get on with your family tree? My gt grandfather was Vera's eldest brother. It's an great family to research and hope you found it interesting.
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Hi Joe990
I'm also a descendant of Timoteo Barella and it took me years of research before I discovered he'd gone back to Italy too. Did you ever find out why he'd gone back?
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Hi Eliza B,
We cannot be sure why Timoteo returned to Italy but we can offer a couple of suggestions based on the records. Firstly his wife Jane died 19 Feb 1870 aged only 36 years old of tuberculosis, leaving him with three children. In the 1871 Census his is living with the children and his widowed aunt, Appolina wife of the late Clement. The next available record in the UK is the proving of his will in 1883 giving his date of death as 8 Mar 1874. I have confirmed that fact with the Italian records which show that he died at the home of his sister Adelaide. We know therefore that he left England sometime between 1871 and 1874.
So the reasons why he left? One possibility is that he was brokenhearted at the loss of his wife and went back to Italy to be with his siblings. Another is that he was seriously ill and went "home' to die. Neither option can be confirmed as the cause of death was never recorded and it is highly unlikely that there was ever a headstone erected.
Regards Joe
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Hi Joe990
I also have this information and also wondered if he had left because of the deaths of Jane and Charlotte but giving the status men of this era gave their sons I'm not so sure he would leave them permanently. Another possibility is a visit to a family member in Italy who was also ill and surcomed to illness himself. Hopefully one day we will find out 🤞🏻. Eliza
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Hi All,
My mother (maiden name Barella) is (I believe) Great Grand daughter of Timoteo (Timothy).
Timoteo had a son Timothy (born 1865), who married Wilhelmina Anderson who had a son John Hills Barella (born 1911 and who is my mothers Dad).
Not sure if any of you still follow this forum or have any further info but very interested in knowing more about the Barella side and how they came to be in the UK etc.
I've got a document which I think is Timoteo's father (Giuseppe) arrival card in Dover. THis would suggest that Timoteo wasn't first Barella here. I'll try to figure out how to upload it here.
Cheers
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Hi Mtrehy,
I still follow this forum. I am not related to the Barella's myself. I was doing some research for a friend who is.
It is a good thing you joined Roots Chat. There are so many stories about the family in here. If you follow the thread of this topic back I hope you will discover them.
I am not sure if I am allowed to paste in an URL from Ancestry or whether you need to be a member of Ancestry to access it but here goes anyway:
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/62855358/family/familyview?cfpid=100194781326
Hope this helps
LNC
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Hi LNC,
Nice to hear from you.
Thanks for the link to the tree. I have a slight difference with the tree I have put together. On the tree you sent it shows John H Barella (my mothers father, 1911 - 1982) as the son of Timothy Barella and Elizabeth O'Cain. In the tree I have quickly assembled I have his parents as Timothy Barella and Wilhelmina Anderson.
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/72217192/family?cfpid=34252021444#:~:text=https%3A//www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/RSVP.aspx%3Fdat%3DNzIyMTcxOTI7OzAyYTAwYmExLTAwMDYtMDAwMC0wMDAwLTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDsyMDIxMDgyODEyNTQwOTsx%26mac%3DHpNKcGLjyy19UUgyPDgxWQ%3D%3D (https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/72217192/family?cfpid=34252021444#:~:text=https%3A//www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pt/RSVP.aspx%3Fdat%3DNzIyMTcxOTI7OzAyYTAwYmExLTAwMDYtMDAwMC0wMDAwLTAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDsyMDIxMDgyODEyNTQwOTsx%26mac%3DHpNKcGLjyy19UUgyPDgxWQ%3D%3D)
Would be interested if you know anything about this... Maybe I have made a mistake.
Cheers
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Hi again, You are correct. The researcher whose tree I sent you is wrong because Elizabeth O’Cain died on 22nd January 1900, so she could not be the mother of John Hills Barella. It was Timothy’s second wife Wilhelmina Anderson.
Cheers
LNC
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Hi Everyone,
It has been a while since I last checked in. Unfortunately My Beautiful Aunt Dorothy, who was assisting me with our roots passed away and I haven’t been able to bring myself to continue until now. I’m the only remaining person in our family who is even remotely interested in researching our tree. Thank you all very much for the information. The Barella Family has always been my favourite to research. Timoteo and Jane’s son Timothy and Wilhelmina were my Great Great Grandparents. Their daughter Veronica (Vera) Barella married Ernest Lote (My Great Grandparents). Unfortunately Vera was deaf and it was difficult for me as a child to communicate with her before her passing. The one thing that I remember so vividly of this lady was she looked like an old Italian Lady & she loved to cook we never went hungry.