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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Rosbern on Tuesday 06 April 10 16:43 BST (UK)
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Im trying to trace the history of Caroline Reeves, she was a cook in 1903 and living at 23 Glengariffe parade. In the 1911 census she has 2 sons living in foster care in Shelbourne road, there was also a girl called Mary Reeves living and working as a servant in the same street, could they be related?. She doesnt appear on the census and i was wondering if anyone could perhaps trace Mary Reeves and family to see if she had a sister called Caroline, or any information would be gratefully received.
Many thanks
Ros
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If Caroline was in a hospital or institution then she could be listed with just her initials .. making people difficult to find.
Not that many Reeves BMD registrations appear on the civil index in Dublin... you could search for possible connections using birth and/or marriage certs - see : 2 Minute Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
p.s. is Reeves Carolines's married or maiden name ?
Shane
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Hi Shane, Reeves is her maiden name which is why the boys were in foster care, other than the boys birth certificates we have no trace of her, she may have been married by the 1911 census, but if I could find out who her family were it would be good. I wonder if Mary could be a sister as she worked in the street where Carolines sons lived, perhaps Mary put Caroline in contact with the foster mother. She may turn up on the 1901 census, how long till its online do you know?
Ros
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the latest estimate for the 1901 census is summer this year (June/July)
I dont see any marriages or deaths on the civil index that would fit Caroline in the Dublin area after 1901...
The only other way I can think of to find her family is to start ordering birth certs..
Shane
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Thanks anyway,
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dont know if it's relevant but Thom's Directory of 1904 lists a 'Mrs Magill' (no other details) at 23 Glengariff Parade.
some Dublin city and county parish records are available free (mostly pre 1900) at : http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
Do you know Caroline's father's name or occupation ?
Shane
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No we know nothing of her family, there was no info on her sons birth certificates. I think i knew about Mrs Magill, the eldest of the 2 sons was born in 1903 so she would have been there. I would imagine Caroline rented a room probably for the sole purpose of having the baby there. Caroline's boys were church of Ireland yet everybody seems to be RC in Glengariffe parade. I dont think she was a local..what do you reckon?
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Shane, one other thing, do you think people would have dared to lie about their names on birth certificates??
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I dont see any good matches for a birth of Caroline anywhere in Ireland, so I suppose it's possible that she was born elsewhere.
There are a number Reeves BMD listed in Dublin on the Civil Index listed in Thom's, and going back to the 1600s on the the IrishGenealogy website ... but could be difficult to track them.
If Mary Reeves stayed in the same area, and married not long after 1911, then there are two possible matches on the Civil Index - both in the registration District of Dublin South (where Shelbourne Rd is located), with one in 1913 and the other in 1916. If one of these is correct then a marriage would show a father's name... but without details of Caroline's birth and father, possibly not of much use
I'd say the 1901 census is your best bet at this stage..
Shane
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Shane, one other thing, do you think people would have dared to lie about their names on birth certificates??
mistakes were made on registration, and people told fibs for various reasons. There were theoretically penalties for this, but it would be very difficult for anyone in authority to prove this..
Shane
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If I could find the name of Marys parents then surely I would be able to find the names of their other children?, then I would know if Mary had a sister called Caroline. And if she did then it would be easier, maybe, to trace Marys family and any info they have on Caroline...or am I just grasping at straws!!!
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you could possibly find the name of this Mary's father from a marriage cert...assuming she married, and her address was the same at that time (i.e. Shelbourne Rd), but finding her family based on that could take quite a number of certs.
If the family moved around or had common first names then it could be very difficult trail to follow. Even if you did manage to locate the correct details for Mary and her siblings (if any), I dont see any birth registrations listed in Ireland for a Caroline Reeves around the right time that you could connect to.
Shane
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Ive found a baptism for Mary, fits with her known age in 1911, gives her parents as William and Margaret, William is the name of one of Carolines sons too, they are living in Upper Mercer street, I looked on the census and a couple with those names are living in McGees court with their 2 sons although they have another 4 children, not present.
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sorry to complicate your theory, but that baptism is Dublin City and Mary had 'Co. Dublin' as place of birth on the census. Generally (but not always) people from the City area either entered Dublin or Dublin City, people from outside the city boundaries entered County Dublin - which would fit with the Shelbourne rd area at the time...
Records for much of the county Dublin area are not included on the IrishGenealogy website at the moment
Shane
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Looking for any info on Caroline Reeves (maiden name) working as a cook in Dublin during the early 1900s. She doesnt appear on either census, so stuck!
Thanks.
Moderator Note : Merged with previous topic on the same subject
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How do you know she was working as a cook if she is not on the 1901/1911 census - is it from a birth cert?
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Yes, she had 2 sons, but we can find no trace of her, after their births or before them, no death certificate or grave, she may have married but I dont know :(
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Yes, she had 2 sons, but we can find no trace of her, after their births or before them, no death certificate or grave, she may have married but I dont know :(
have you tried searching just for initials in some of the institution from around then, ie grangegorman, hospitals etc, staff and patients in some of those were just recorded by initial
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...Caroline Reeves, she was a cook in 1903 and living at 23 Glengariffe parade. In the 1911 census she has 2 sons living in foster care in Shelbourne road,...
Previous thread on Norfolk board-
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"She doesnt appear on either census, but we know she was there in 1903 and 1905 when she gave birth to 2 sons, we have their birth certs but no father is mentioned (although we have traced who he was) so we are assuming Reeves is her maiden name. We dont know if she ever married, she definitely wasnt married to the boys father."
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no I havent looked at institutions
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ow do I search the census' for institutions??
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We find it's not a good idea to have many threads which overlap and look for the same information on the same people as is causes much confusion and duplication for those trying to help (and also makes it harder for the poster to keep track of details that have been found for them).
It was explained earlier that you need to search for people in institutions by initials rather than first and last names- "If Caroline was in a hospital or institution then she could be listed with just her initials .. making people difficult to find. "
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Merged with previous topic on the same subject
Dublin Moderator
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Ok, but to be fair people dont always bother to trawl through all the pages which is why i reposted
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you can edit any of your older posts to edit out any details you no longer want to include - but it makes it very difficult for anyone to try to assist you if dont include all the clues you can.
Dublin Moderator
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I know Makes it very difficult! I dont think Im ever going to find Caroline, seems like a lost cause.
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The problem is that there is very little detail on Caroline to even start a search. I dont see anything close for her birth, death or marriage anywhere in Ireland - the only birth match for the name is in the 1950s, as is the only marriage for the name. (the deaths only on the familysearch website only cover up to 1958)
The only remote possibility of a link that I see is a birth in 1912 with Caroline as a middle name - Clara Lucy Caroline Reeves / Dublin North, Apr/Jun 1912, Vol 2 /Page 549
Are you sure that Caroline was born in Ireland ?
If she was in an institution of some sort in 1901 and/or 1911 under her initials it will be difficult to confirm any possible matches without knowing an approximate year and place of birth.
Shane
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No, Im not sure she was born in Ireland, and thats the problem! but that 1912 birth of Clara is interesting, I might look in to that further, at the very least it will give me something to do!