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Hi there
I wonder if anybody can help I am trying to get a birth record so I can order there birth cert.
Her name is Hannah Cissell she was born 1859/1860.
I have found her marriage to a John Edwrad Cox but I cant seem to find a birth record for her.
She was born Kensal Green or Chelsea London Middlesex.
Thanks for any help Ali ;)
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Hi Ali,
Could the surname possibly be spelt as "Sissell"? Reason I'm asking is I've found the birth below:-
Name: SISSELL, Hannah
Registration District: Chelsea
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume No: 1A
Page No: 184
Theres also the following but she was born in 1854:-
Name: SISSELL, Hannah
Registration District: Chelsea
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume No: 1A
Page No: 147
Hope this helps,
RM :-)
Moderator comment: edited for content
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oh thanks for that :D
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so annoying I have gone and put sissell in the 1861 census nothing at all and I tried the 1871 census as well still nothing.
And Hannah got married in 1876 /77 where is she in 1861 - 1877
so so so very annoying
So have tried Cissell as per her marriage says and put sissell in as well nothing ???
In 1881 she has her niece Louisa Cissell living with her as well then in 1891 she has dissapeared ???
Oh well I will keep trying
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Like you I couldnt find her on previous censuses at all, but did see the niece Louisa Cissell!
Who does she give as her father on her marriage cert? And what occupation for him?
and witnesses? were they Cissells?
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Hi
No havent got marriage cert just looked on birth deaths and marriage and it gives her name as Cissell. I think I will have to order it, but I would love to know the mother thats why wanted birth 1st instead of her marriage
;D
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How about ?
RG9/Piece: 39 Folio: 61 Page: 12 Chelsea St Luke @ Kensal Road, Vale of Health?
William Sissell 42 Head of Household born Middx, Willesden: Navvy & General Labourer
Eliza Sissell 39 Wife born Paddington
William Sissell 15 son Paddington
Alfred Sissell 12 son St Lukes Chelsea
Louisa Sissell 7 dau St Lukes Chelsea
Thomas Sissell 4 son St Lukes Chelsea
Hannah Sissell 2 dau born Middx, St Lukes Chelsea
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Dont spend out on th ecert - here is the marriage!
6 Aug 1877
Willesden St Mary
John Cox 21 bachelor, baker, of Chapel End Willesden, father Edward Cox
to
Hannah Cissell 19 laundress of Willesden, father WIlliam a labourer
witnesses John Salmon and William Cissell
oohh looking good, Mort, father William ties up niceley
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and the parents nuptials ?
Marriages Jun 1844
Anderson Martha Kensington 3 261
CISEELL William Kensington 3 261
CISELL William Kensington 3 261
Clay Alfred Kensington 3 261
EWERS Charlotte Ann Kensington 3 261
Hayward Spencer Kensington 3 261
MORRIS Elisa Kensington 3 261
Morris Eliza Kensington 3 261
Smith Thomas Kensington 3 261
Wheldon Eliza Kensington 3 261
PR version:-
Name - William Cisell (a Bachelor, Labourer of Dudley Street)
of Full Age
Father' Name - Thomas Cisell, Labourer
Spouse's Name - Eliza Wheldon, Spinster, Full Age also of Dudley Street
Spouse's Father Name - William Wheldon, Clerk to Wharfinger
Record Type - Marriage (witnessd by John & Harriet Suchett)
Marriage Date 02 Jun 1844
Parish of St James, Paddington
County of Middlesex
Borough of Westminster
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Thank you so much for that.
:D ;D
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Transcribed Jessel in 1851 Chelsea - HO107/Piece: 1474 Folio: 578 Page: 12 @ Winson Cottage with more older kids:-
William Jessel 32 Head born Willesden: Labourer
Eliza Jessel 22 Wife ditto
Francis Jessel 8 dau Willesden
Eliza Jessel 6 dau Paddington
William Jessel 4 son ditto
Alfred Jessel 2 son ditto
and William's own family in 1841 ...
HO107/Piece 690/Book: 17 Civil Parish: Willesden Folio: 18 Page: 3 @ Kilburn Lane
all state born in County
Rachel Sissel 33 Laundress
William Sissel 18
Thomas Sissel 16
Rachel Sissel 14
Hannah Sissel 12
Louisa Sissel 10
David Sissel 7
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Thanks for that :D
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Thanks for all that so why can we not find them in the 1861 census I have looked but nothing at all.
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See reply #6 !
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ok thanks ;D
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Did you see the marriage update to show that the correct Eliza was WHELDON?
In 1871 RG10/Piece: 91 Folio: 14 Page: 22 Chelsea (Kensal Town?), same address as 1861, the Family is transcribed SIFFELL.
William is now calling himself Thomas, and the only children at home are Eliza jnr, aged 13 occupation Nursemaid - & Louisa who has Married an Edward Harper - they have 2 kids.
Now, theres no matching Eliza aged 2 or 3 in the 1861 we saw, so I'd bet that this is in fact Hannah ;)
(Eliza snr dies 1874 - and Thomas in 1893
Deaths Jun 1893
Sissell Thomas 73 Kensington 1a 67
Ah, Thomas Sissell (PoB shown Harlesden Green) is a Lodger with William and Eliza Munday in Chelsea, @ 1, Church Street in 1881 - RG11/Piece: 90 Folio: 41 Page: 6 .... I cant see the Munday's marriage, but I'm wondering if the Eliza is Thomas/Williams dau after all ?
Damnit - so where was she in 1861 ?
Marriages Mar 1875
Munday William Kensington 1a 216
SISSEL Eliza Kensington 1a 216
SISSELL Eliza Kensington 1a 216
See next posting ....
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LOLOL I dont believe it - there's 2 Sissel(l) families in Kensal Road Chelsea ... the one headed by William, married to an Eliza, and the other is headed by the Thomas also married to an Eliza, that I've been following - & who DOES have a dau Eliza in 1861 (and 1871 as we saw, and who married Mr Munday !)
1861 census of Chelsea - RG9/Piece: 39 Folio: 67 Page: 23 @ Kensal Road ...
Thomas Sessel (sic) 40 Head born Willesden: Gen Labourer
Eliza Sessel 39 Wife Willesden
Annie Sessel 14 dau Chelsea
Louisa Sessel 9 dau ditto
Eliza Sessel 5 dau ditto
Marriages Sep 1844
ALLEN Abraham Kensington 3 274
BOLTON William Kensington 3 274
BUARDSELL Ann Kensington 3 274
COURTNEY Charlotte Kensington 3 274
LOWE William Kensington 3 274
REEVES Eliza Kensington 3 274
SAUNDERS Louisa Kensington 3 274
SISSELL Thomas Kensington 3 274
Thomas can be seen with 'your' William on the 1841 I posted... :-[
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so wheres the William / Eliza couple in 1871 onward, and which Eliza died in 1874 !
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Must be a popular surname I wish they would keep to one spelling of it lol.
I wonder if Thomas is Williams brother
:D
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Thomas can be seen with 'your' William on the 1841 I posted... Embarrassed
think so :)
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Hi there Mort
Can you tell me what surname they are using in 1841 as I cant find them in the 1841 census
Thanks Ali :D