RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: derrydruel on Wednesday 10 August 11 15:10 BST (UK)
-
Back on the hunt so thought I'd try again if there's anybody out there can can throw any light on my Grt grandperants, Mary (maria) Dowling (b. co Kildare) 1847-1935 and her husband James McKernan (b. co Cavan)
1840-1911. Acquired copy of marraige cert which tells me they were married 6th may 1875 in city of Dublin at chapel of cathedral , Malboro street. At time of marraige she was living at Lr Dorset street, daughter of James Dowling (decd) who was a builder. J.M. was a bootmaker living at 14 Brunswick street and was the son of Francis McKernan (decd) who was a horse trader and I believe was originally from Swanlinbar area of Cavan. An interesting point regarding James Mc' is that at the time of his marraige to Mary he is down on the cert' as being a widower. Can anyone point me in the right direction to find any further info on their parents or ancestory. Any leads gratefully appreciated.
Thank you in anticipation.
-
Since the births of Mary and James are before the start of civil records in 1864, you will need to know a bit more details about where in counties Kildare and Cavan they lived so you can check if parish records are available - ideally you need to know the townland or parish they lived in.
It looks like Swanlinbar is in the RC parish of Kinnally, which also covers parts of Co. Fermanagh. Baptism and marriage records for this parish for back to 1835 and are on microfilm reference Pos. 5346 in the National Library. I dont think these records are online anywhere at the moment
Some parish records for Co. Kildare are available on the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation at www.rootsireland.ie
previous thread :
Dowling, Co. Kildare (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,455119.msg3166302.html#msg3166302)
Shane
-
I had another look at the RC parishes listed on RootsIreland and they have one named Kinawley listed - it might be an alternate spelling for Kinnally ?
Shane
-
Thanks Shane I'll try the route you've suggested and see if I can come up with anything. :)
-
I'm pretty sure that Kinawley and Kinnally are the same parish - the NLI RC parish index both listed on the same film.
Shane
-
After years of searching & dead ends the release of NLI records online have thrown me a possible lifeline. Page 38 Kinawley parish have a James born to a Francisci McKiernan and Catherine Munde?..
I Know James' mother was Catherine from His marraige cert. Would anyone know what the word 'Lodge' refers to in this entry... is it a townland? I realize I may be clutching at straws but can anyone enlighten me or reinforce my findings. From what I gather Munde wouldn't seem to be that common a name &, after hours of searching, this entry is the only one I can find for 1840 that fits.. Once again thank you in anticipation to anyone who can offer any help.
-
Hi There
Can you post the link to James on the 1901 Census and I'll see can I help ?!
Tara
-
This would appear to be James' first marriage.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/2876550065789
Tara
-
Second marriage just for reference !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/2b70840067283
Tara
-
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634879#page/38/mode/1u
page 38
I think the name might be Mundy from Lodge townland ?
-
or possibly Munda
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g05/
-
Hi Tara, & thanks for the help. 1901 census link for James & Maria http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Drumcondra/Drumcondra/1271880/.
He wasn't with the family in the 1911 census but I found him in St Patrick's hospital where he died in June 1911. They had 9 children in all according to census records but I've only ever found 8. Vincent was my maternal grandfather. I've never been able to find anything of Maria's parents other than that they were James & Catherine & he was a builder. (Taken from James & Maria's marriage cert).
Any further help would be much appreciated.
Billy
-
Where have you gotten that James was from Swanlibar ?
Tara
-
From records held by St Patrick's Hospital archives where he died. I've never actually questioned it but I suppose that it could be wrong.
-
Ah that's a good starting point then so.
Great that they kept some good details.
I haven't found anything other than what you already did.
Sorry :-\
Tara
-
Thanks Tara.
If you think of any other channels I might try please let me know..
Billy
-
Does anyone know what the word 'Lodge', in the Kinawley parish records means. Is it a townland only I couldn't find it on a list of Cavan or Fermanagh townlands.
-
Hi.
Lodge usually refers to an Orange Lodge, a Protestant organisation formed about 1793.
Regards
-
Surely that wouldn't be the case in this, the entry in the baptism records of Kinawley parish...would it?
Thanks
Regards.
-
Certainly don't think it would refer to an Orange Lodge!
Is there a big house in the area? if so, could 'Lodge' refer to its gatelodge?
Checking the list of townlands in Kinawley civil parish there's a Cloghoge (which might rhyme with lodge)- in Co. Cavan, Bawnboy Poor Law Union/registration district.
-
Kinawley is correct name for the parish in Fermanagh
-
Thanks for the input again aghadowey.. another avenue for me to pursue.. every little bit helps and all advice is most welcome.
-
Kinawley is the name of the civil parish and the R.C. parish spelling is Kinnally.
You can see from the map that Kinnally Parish covers parts of Cavan and Fermanagh- as does Kinawley.
http://registers.nli.ie/#home_map
http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
-
Hi Tara, & thanks for the help. 1901 census link for James & Maria http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Drumcondra/Drumcondra/1271880/.
He wasn't with the family in the 1911 census but I found him in St Patrick's hospital where he died in June 1911. They had 9 children in all according to census records but I've only ever found 8. Vincent was my maternal grandfather. I've never been able to find anything of Maria's parents other than that they were James & Catherine & he was a builder. (Taken from James & Maria's marriage cert).
Any further help would be much appreciated.
Billy
Sorry, Matthew was my maternal grandfather...... don't know why I said Vincent !