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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: brianz on Tuesday 09 August 11 19:35 BST (UK)
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Hi
Help please, has anyone come across a Joseph Higginbotham born in Cheshire and probably Marple about 1756 and moved over the hill to Great Longstone Derbyshire and married an Ann Hill in about 1785. I know its a long shot but I have little else to left try. Thanks.
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Out of curiosity, I tried searching familysearch for offspring of Joseph and Ann using a variant spelling heginbotham which featured on the peripheries of my family research. My formula, once I'd got past the initial very basic search page, was:
First names left blank
Surname heginbotham
Event Birth
Place Derbyshire
Year say 1793 +/- 10 (thus allowing bit of leeway on the possible date of marriage. It could also be worth trying say 1803 +/- 20)
Relationship Parents
Father, first names Joseph
Father, surname left blank
Mother, first names Ann
Mother, surname left blank
The first few entries in the results seemed to me to be way off target, but you might find something in those listed further down under the 'less strong matches', eg a Matthew Heginbotham bp Great Longstone 14 Sep 1794, father Joseph. And, on further inspection, other entries in this list - eg for a Bettey Higgenbothom - look highly intriguing...
Good luck
Birtle
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Thanks Birtle
Joseph was living and got married in Great Longstone in 1785 and went on to have 7 children on of which was Matthew b 1794. what I have a problem with is where he was born and baptised, which does not appear to be Great Longstone. as regards the spelling of the name it is a mass of variables they now use Heginbotham.
Most of the info I have is from the grave stone.
Thanks again
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Looking at the IGI Batch site, only Baptisms for "Marple, Weslyan Methodists 1804 - 1840" are available on line.
Checked "Cheshire Parish Records on line" http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~cprdb/ but Marple not covered
Checked Chester Archives Catalogue for registers held. Marple from about the middle of the 17th C. have you considered contacting the Archives?
Glad you mentioned 7 children for Joseph (William, Peter, Mary, Mathew, Joseph, Sarah and Henry?)
regards
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Thanks for all the help, yes you are correct those are the children. I will contact the archives and see if they can help otherwise it looks like a visit.
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You might find your Joseph and family in one of the issues of The Hegginbotham Family Bulletin, edited by Frank Higenbotham.
Stockport Library has issues 1 (June 1970) to 49 (June 1982), ref S/E 73 Q
This peroiodical is a mine of information on the Higgenbothams however spelt
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Thanks for the suggestion about Stockport library I'll give them a try. Thanks again
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I have posted a conjectural family tree covering Joseph and his family at
http://heginbothamfamilyhistory.yolasite.com (also atrtached)
alternative linkages welcomed!
You mention the family as coming from Marple and I would thus like my version (above) to be proved wrong as I am descended from the Marple branch
The full details of the gravestone inscription would be welcome
J
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Hi Oldposthouse. Welcome to RootsChat
I have looked at the tree that you attached and it fits with what I have from Joseph H b abt 1755/6 that married Ann Hill. I have not had time to look at it properly but a lot of it matches what I already have.
Our line goes Joseph b abt 1755 m Ann Hill their son Henry b 1804 Gt Longstone m Hannah Hancock, their son Joseph b 1834 Stoney Middleton m Caroline Gillatt, Their son Henry b 01 Apr 1870 m Ruth Sharman, This is where your tree leaves our line.
Henry and Ruth had two Children
Philip Beaumont b abt Sept 1897 in Hayfield Derbyshire d 28 Feb 1974
Ruth b 20 Jan 1900 at Stoney Middleton d 16 Jul 1995 at Calver Derbyshire aged 95
Philip Beaumont married Hannah Robinson abt Dec 1923 at Bakewell Derbyshire.
I have attached a transcription of the grave marker.
N.B. the 6th line should read Little Longstone
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Hi Brian,
I've just come across your message and am also descended from Joseph and Ann (Hills). The surname has countless spellings over the years, even within one family. Ours settled on Heginbotham in the mid 1800s. My great-great-grandparents were Henry Heginbotham and Hannah Hancock. Their son, Francis (Joseph's younger brother) married Mary Merrill and their daughter, Gladys, was my grandmother. She married Joseph Hallam from Curbar. They had only one child, Joseph, my father, who sadly passed away last April. I am currently updating my notes for some of my Dad's cousins so if you want any more info let me know. I, like you, have the gravestone and worked down from there and I also have projected tree for ancestors of Joseph born Cheshire but am not entirely convinced that they are the right parents. Just a feeling.
Regards,
Barbara.
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Hi Barbara
Welcome to Rootschat. I have the tree as far as Francis ( Frank) and Mary Merrill and their 6 children, I have Ellen b 1871, Alfred b 1873, Frank b 1877, Ethel b 1880, Cyril b 185 and Mary b 1890.
I do not have a Gladys or I have possibly missed her can you let me have her dates please.
With regard to Joseph and Ann Hills I have another possible set of parents for him but at this moment cannot find them it is on a disc somewhere I'll have a look tomorrow and post the answer for you.
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Hi Brian,
Thanks for replying. So far as I know Francis (1844-1921) was always known as Francis (not Frank) but his son was always Frank. Gladys was born 13 October 1891, Stoney Middleton, married CELF 26 October 1918, and died 18 February 1966, Llangefni, Anglesey. She came to live with us in Anglesey when Grandad died in 1960. I moved around the country over the years but have now been back in Anglesey for the last 17 years. Like you, I have not found a death for Ellen born Barnsley 1871. She is on the 1871 census (Ancestry incorrectly transcribed as age 14) but I'm not sure if she was age 1 week or 1 month. Her grandmother, Ann Merrill is there recorded as nurse. The family had moved to Eccleshall Bierlow by 1881 and she is not there then. I did find a death in Free BMD for an Ann Heginbotham died EB I think in around 1873 and I wondered if they had changed her name from Ellen to Ann. It is not unknown for people to change the baby's name in the first few months. I haven't found a christening either. Gladys' sister Mary was Mary Merrill Heginbotham born 1889 not 1890. I have lots of info on siblings of all generations typed up as summaries if you want to let me have an address I can e-mail them to you. Also, many people seem to have Mathew Heginbotham born 1794 as marrying Hannah Wibberley. I did at first but he most definitely did not. I can't remember off hand who she married but it was a different Matthew. (I think different parents) My filing is all 'up the creek at the moment but when I find it I'll let you know. Hope this is of help. Regards, Barbara.
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Hi Barbara
I have still got a problem with the children of Francis and Mary according to the 1911 census the had 6, 2 of which had died, adding Gladys to my list gives me 7 having spent the day checking Census and other records the only conclusion I can come to is that the problem lies with Ellen, who apart from the entry in the 1871 Census RG10 Piece 4646 Folio 103 page 7 seems to disappear completely. It might be worth starting a Thread on one of the Yorkshire boards to see if anyone can help.
I still cannot find the info on Joseph and Ann Hills but I will. I think you need to make another couple of posts before I can PM you my Email address.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
Francis and Mary (Merrill) had seven children. Ellen born Barnsley March 1871 14, Eldon Terrace. As mentioned I have found a registration as Annie Barnsley Reg June Qtr. 1871 with death of Annie Hegginbotham Ecclesall Bierlow registry March Qtr. 1876 age 4. Alfred Born Stoney Middleton 18 March 1873 married Florence Cocker Bakewell Reg. March Qtr. 1902 daughter Laura born 28 December 1903 married Joseph E. Needham son Mervyn D Needham. Alfred died 14 March 1908 age 34 following a knee injury which went wrong possibly causing TB. Florence is buried with Alfred in Stoney Middleton Cemetery. Frank born Stoney Middleton 10 May 1877 married Margaret Emma Palfreyman Bakewell Reg December Qtr 1905. Children Cecil John born 28 June 1906 married Ellen Morton; Alfred born Bakewell Reg December Qtr 1904 married Winifred Ethel Davis Bakewell Reg 1939. No children. Alfred died 1st October 1941 age 33 Killed on the Railway at Rowsley/Darley Dale trapped between buffers while shunting during Blackout Buried together Stoney Middleton Cemetery. Frank died 17 May 1962 age 85 Buried Stoney Middleton Cemetery with wife Maggie. Ethel born Ecclesall Bierlow 10 January 1880 married James William Hallam Sheffield Registry March Qtr. 1901. Children Robert Cyril born Stoney Middleton 1902 Bakewell Reg June Qtr. 1902 died Stoney Middleton 1902 Bakewell Reg Sept. Qtr 1902; Annie born Stoney Middleton 26 May 1903 married George Barnsley. Ethel died Stoney Middleton 1st June 1950 age 70 Buried Stoney Middleton Cemetery with husband Jim. Cyril born Ecclesall Bierlow 26 September 1885 married Temperance Swindell Hall Bakewell Reg December Qtr. 1911 daughter Gladys Merrill Heginbotham born Chesterfield Registry December Qtr 1912. Cyril died Sheffield Reg December Qtr 1916 age 31. Temperance remarried. Mary Merrill Heginbotham born Stoney Middleton 26 August 1889 known as Mollie married Samuel Furniss Bakewell Reg June Qtr 1916 five children. Mollie died 30 July 1971 age 81. Buried Gt. Longstone cemetery with husband Sam; Gladys born Stoney Middleton 13 October 1891 married Joseph Hallam Chapel-en-le-Frith 26 October 1918 son Joseph born Thorpe Audlin 18 February 1921 died Bangor, Gwynedd 27 April 2012, three children. Gladys died Llangefni, Anglesey 18 February 1966. Gladys and Joseph both cremated and ashes interred Maeshyfryd Cemetery, Holyhead, Anglesey. With regard to Ellen, I know the 1911 census says they had six children but the 1871 census clearly says she is a daughter. Maybe they just forgot about her after all that time? After all she didn't live very long.The others can all be tracked through the other censuses. With regard to Hannah Wibberly, I can't find the original info but I have a note on Matthew 1794 to say that she married Matthew Heginbotham born Hartington 1803, Bakewell 1827. It can hardly be Matthew 1794 as it clearly says on the gravestone that he died in 1818!
Hope this info is of use to you. If you want to know anything else just ask. Regards, Barbara.
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Hi I have a Hannah higgenbotham /hbottem born 1810 in Denton st lawrance Lancashire she marries Henry bruckshaw and her father is John higgenbotham and her mum rebbeca lees are they related to any of the other higgenbothams mentioned In this thread ?
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Hi Greeneyes
So far as I know they are not related to any of mine but it is not beyond the realms of possibility as I have not studied all the side shoots, but direct line no. Regards, Barbara.
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Hi Barbara
Thanks for the info, it filled in a lot of gaps. If you need anything looking up I have copies of the extracted records for Eyam. Great Longstone, Hope, Bakewell, Baslow and Stoney Middleton on disc. Not sure I follow the reference to Hannah Wibberly though
Steve
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hi barbara well thankyou for posting about the higginbotham on here as i havent looked into them for ages and had forgotten about them till i saw your post !im going to start researching back into them now :)
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Hi Barbara
I think I may have sorted out Matthew H and Hannah Wibberly. He was born Hartington 1806 she in Ashford Nr Bakewell in 1805, they married Bakewell 24 Dec 1827.
1841 Census Ho107 Piece 183 Folio 21 Page 36
Has them living in Ashford Bakewell with children Martha b 1827, Elizabeth b 1829 Hannah b 1831, Thomas b 1834, Jane b 1836, Alice b 1839 and Sarah b 1840 also there was a Mary Wibberly b 1823 ( no relationship stated) they also appear in the 1861 census Piece 2539 Folio 44 Page 23, most of the children have left except Sarah Ann b 1843.
Hope this helps Steve