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Looking for information on a Mr and Mrs Halpin of Cork St 1916. They had a DAIRY. and shop. Mr Halpin drove a lorry and delivered beer for Guinness.
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Thom's 1921
79 Cork Street
P. Halpin, dairy
he is not listed at the address 1914... there's a Stephen Quinn, greengrocer
Number 79 was located between Vauxhall cottages and Marrowbone Lane
Shane
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The same listing appears in 1927...just as P. Halpin
On the Dublin City Electoral list for 1939, the address (as 79/80) has Patrick, Margaret, Patrick Christopher and Eugene Halpin. Also listed are Patrick O'Reilly and Mary Tyler.
see : http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/index.php
Shane
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Thanks very much for the very quick replys That must be the person I'm looking for. On the Sunday evening of the surrender in 1916, Mr Halpin be friend ed three people from the Jacobs garrison. Two male and one female. He was able to cloth one of the males and get rid of his uniform. He kept them for a week and feed them. One stayed over a week before trying to make it home to the north side of the city.
I am told that a son of the Halpins was shot dead by the I R A sone time in 1922 or 23. Anyone any information on this. Once again many thanks.
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Hi I have been to 79 and meet some people. One of whom had a shop a few doors away, and she knew the halpins. Going back again to talk some more. Many thanks for everyones help.
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I understand that there were two Patrick Halpins in the house in Cork St at that time, father and son. I would be interested in knowing the approximate age of the man who assisted the three fugitives.
I would also be interested in knowing the names of the fugitives, if they are known
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1911 Census for Belview buildings
Shows
Alexander Halpin 53 employed Guinness
Alexander Halpin 20 employed Guinness
Patrick Halpin 24 employed Guinness
or i may have mixed that up a little but all three appear on Guinness Archives as employees.
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Many thanks Dathai The plot thickens. It seems that the family changed addresses somewhere between 1911 and 1915. I suspect 1914. In 1911 (see census 1911) the family name seems to have been Halpenny and they lived in 6 Dolphins Barn St. They seem to have bought the dairy on 79/80 Cork St in approximately 1914 and the name they used over the door was Halpin.
The elder Halpenny/Halpin, according to the 1911 census did work in Guinness as a drayman. I found no trace of them in the 1901 census
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Aha i think the plot gets thicker
Guinness employee ID 14039
Bernard Halpenny age 15 joined1st Oct 1915 worked as a cooperage labourer.
born 31 /10 /1899
DIED 22/10/1921 is this the son that was shot.
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buried Glasnevin age 21 from Cork St
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I'm just attaching the 1911 Census for others reference !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Usher_s_Quay/Belview_Buildings/74932/
Tara
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There are 14 Halpins whom were employed by Guinness
http://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/GenealogySearchResults.aspx?pg=1
Tara
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The family in 1901 for reference
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Bellevue_Buildings/1300823/
Tara
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Ok I got mixed up there - it's NOT the Alexander Halpin family BUT the Patrick Halpenny family that is being looked for !
Ok So, for reference here is the Halpenny family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Merchant_s_Quay/Dolphin_Barn_St_/69059/
Tara
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Patrick Halpenny as Patrick Halpin in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Rialto_Cottages/1302764/
Tara
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now to really mix things up
Guinness also shows
Patrick HalFpenny
I D 6998
joined 10/05/1895 age 25 date of birth not known.Traffic motor driver.
Died 19/11/1945.
civil index says Patrick Halpenny 1945 age 76 died
Glasnevin says Patrick Halpin,Cork St age 76 buried.
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Private first class, dont know where your situated but if you are a close relation you can make appointment with Guinness to view files they kept excellent records on family.
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Thanks for all the help on this one. Its been a while since I was on roots chat. A correction on numbers. There were four people befriended by the Halpins. Sara Keely, Kathleen Lane. both from the Jacobs garrison and members of the Fairview Branch Cumman na Mban. O'rourke and Edward Lane also from the Jacobs garrison and members of the second battalion Dublin Brigade, Had they not gone into the shop and had continued up the road. It is possible that they would have lost their lives at the road block some few hundred yards up the road.
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Bernard Halpenny born 18 Jan 1876 to Bernard Halpenny and Catherine McCabe,Carrickmacross.
Employed by Guinness
Martin Halpenny born 10 May 1886
ID 11319
Joined 1st May 1907 age 21 Worked in the Liverpool Dept as a drayman
Left 9th Feb 1915.
1901 Census 23 Drumboory,Monaghan
Martin HalFpenny age 12 with more siblings and widowed mother Catherine age 52
1911 Census 17 Drumboory , Catherine HalFpenny age 68 children and g child.
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I think the Easter or Esther Mary Halfpenny on the 1901 census in Drumgoory is actually Patricks child born Dublin 1898 as Mary Esther.
They have not recorded her place of birth on the census.
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Thanks Dathai, yes that seems to be Bernard Halpenny from Cork St. Its very useful to know when he died.
The 1911 census revealed the interesting fact that Bernard, aged 11, could read and write both English and Irish. Of the 12 people in the house, only two, Bernard and his sister ( aged 12) could read and write Irish. Obviously they were attending Irish classes.
I do not know for sure how Bernard died. I am not aware that any of the Halpins were shot, although it they were active on the Republican side.
Private 1st Class refers to a Halpin being shot by the IRA. I think that the person who was shot by the IRA may have been Owen Hoey, who I understand was a cousin of the Halpins. Owen was shot and killed by the IRA on James Walk, on the 28th July 1912, within weeks of the Truce on the 11th July. He was presumably shot because he was a Constable in the Royal Irish Constabulary. He was based somewhere outside Dublin. He was on his way from Kingsbridge Station when he was shot. There are different theories as to where he was going. One suggestion was that he was going to propose to his girlfriend, another that he was going to visit his sister and the other was that he was going to visit the Halpin family in Cork St.
But back to the original question, relating to Patrick Halpenny/ Halpin. He does not appear in the 1911 census when he would have been 10 years of age. Any views on where one can find out more?
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Yes He's in Drumboory in 1911 with his gran.
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Many thanks Private1st Class and dathai for the new information. I had not read the posts when I made my last post.
Yesterday I went to 79 Cork St and 6 Dolphins Barn Street and was surprised that the two buildings are still standing!
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Thanks again Dathai, for some reason I cannot find a Patrick Halpenny in Drumboory in the 1911 census. Any idea where I might be going wrong.?
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HALFPENNY
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AaaHa another name change, No wonder I did not find it. many thanks Dathai.
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Cogar
can i ask how you tie Owen Hoey born 1898 shot 1921 living with parents Owen Hoey and Catherine Mary Cunningham in 1901 to Joseph Hoey born Carrickmacross 1885 and the Halfpenny/Halpenny/Halpin's.
you can modify your date in post 20 above by clicking on the little blue pen and paper here to your right and then press save.
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Dathai, again many thanks. I am not sure yet how Joseph Hoey fits in except he was in Halpin's house in Cork St in 1911.
I am checking on the family relationship between the Halpins/ Halfpenny/Halpenny and the Hoeys.
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Thanks also to Taramcdsmall, for the leads to what may be Patrick Sr as Halpin in Rialto Cottages in 1901 and as Halfpenny in Guinness from1895. It not clear why all the name changes.
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Nearly every topic that i have helped research in the last 2 years to do with the name Halpin has come down to this problem where their forebears were Halfpenny/Halpenny.
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A bit more on Patrick Halpin , born 1901, of Cork St (The one who had been, aged 10, with his gran in Drumboory, Co Monaghan in 1911 as Patrick Halfpenny). He joined Fianna Eireann,"6" Sluagh, 1ad Cath, in late in 1915 or early 1916.
On Easter Monday, 1916, they paraded in Donore Avenue. On the Tuesday he went to the garrison in Jameson's Distillery, Marrowbone Lane and was sent to collect ammunition from 42 Ruben St. For the remainder of the week he delivered messages. He stayed on in the Fianna. In 1920, he joined the Volunteers, C Company, 4th Batt.
So Halpins dairy in Cork Street would have been a good place for the fugitives from Jacobs garrison, to seek refuge.
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Dathai, further to your post 26, which was
"can i ask how you tie Owen Hoey born 1898 shot 1921 living with parents Owen Hoey and Catherine Mary Cunningham in 1901 to Joseph Hoey born Carrickmacross 1885 and the Halfpenny/Halpenny/Halpin's."
I now understand that Patrick Halpin/Halfpenny/Halpenny of Cork St, was married to Margaret a sister of the Owen Hoey of Feahoe,Drumboory, who was the father of the unfortunate Owen Hoey who was shot.
I have not been able to find out how the Joseph Hoey, a cousin, resident with the Halpins/Halpennys in 1911 was related.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Monaghan/Drumboory/Feahoe/797372/ see Owen Hoey aged 13
See https://www.militaryarchives.ie/collections/online-collections/bureau-of-military-history-1913-1921/reels/bmh/BMH.WS0607.pdf page 9