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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: annpat on Sunday 07 August 11 15:40 BST (UK)
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Where would I find information on the birth of Francis Powell 1806/9, on the 1861 census for Swansea he gives his place of birth as Middleton Hall Carmarthen, occupation Gardner, how would I obtain records of his birth, and are there any records of the people who worked at Middleton Hall around the time of his birth, obviously his mother must have been there at this time, and maybe his father. Many thanks for your help.
Annpat
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Hi
This may give you a start
http://www.gardenofwales.org.uk
cheers cardiff :)
ps click on about then history
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It's in the parish of Llanarthney on the 1841 census, but no baptism of a Francis showing around that time in the IGI batch for the parish C099591. There was a Baptist Church & a Calvinistic Methodist in the parish as well.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanarthney/index.html
http://www.gardenofwales.org.uk/about-2/history-of-the-gardens/history-of-middleton-hall/
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www.carmarthenshirefhs.info/parishregistersummary.htm
This lists the Parish Registers held in Carmarthen Archives.
regards
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Thank you all for your help, I am not very good at this, in reply to Osprey he would not have been on the 1841 census as he was in Swansea at this time, but only gave his birthplace as Carmarthen, it was only on the 1861 census that he gave his birthplace as Middleton Hall. Would there be any Powells ie. Mother, Father or siblings on the 1841 census for Llanarthney. Thank you.
Ann Pat
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HI
I see francis on the 1841 census
Ho107 piece 1424 folio 33/5 page 2
Vranda Swansea
Francis Powell b 1806 not born county gardener
then is this his marriage
Francis powell =m= Jane Lewis 4th qtr 1843 Swansea vol26 page 647
I see him with the family in 1851
H0107/2466/686/32
Kelvey Dan-y-graig st thomas swansea
Francis powell b 1805 carmarthenshire gardener
Jane Powell b 1809 milford
Thomas evans son b 1826 tailor carmarthenshire
Mary ann b 1827 amanford
Do you have their marraige certificate this would give you Francis fathers name and occupation that may help to trace the family further back
cheers cardiff :)
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Thanks very, very much, I do have some of this info, but i didnt know the date he was married, or Jane's surname, if I get their marriage certificate that might help, do you have any info on Thomas Evans, also from Carmarthen, I have info on him in Swansea, but nothing from Carmarthen. Thanks Ann
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Hi
sorry don't have info on the evans family Evans and Carmarthenshire can be very difficuly unless you really know who you are looking for.If you get that marriageertificate this will give you a bit more info.
you can look up births marriages and deaths on this site yourself
http://freebmd.org.uk
cheers cardiff :)
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Thank you.
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Annpat.
Have a copy of the marriage certificate - will send PM. Basic details -
Parish Church of St Mary, Swansea, 25 December, 1843
Francis Powell, of full age, Widower, Gardener, 4 Park St, father Richard Powell, Victualler
Jane Lewis, of full age, Spinster, Rutland Place, father William Lewis, Carpenter
Looked for marriage of Thomas Evans/Mary Ann Powell (Francis' daughter by previous marriage). Checked central Swansea churches + Sketty, Llansamlet and St John's juxta Swansea. No success so will need to widen search.
There were 7/8 items in The Cambrian to check - only time to find the following :-
29 Jun 1849 ROBBING A GARDEN - Thomas Owen, a well known young thief, was charged with robbing Colonel Cameron's garden - Francis Powell in the employ of Colonel Cameron, said he was on the lookout at Danygraig Garden on Wednesday, when he saw the prisoner in the strawberry bed. When he saw Powell he decamped over the hedge. The beds were trampled upon and much injured. The prisoner denied the charge stating he was on the beach fishing from ten o'clock to five in the evening, and could bring witnesses to prove such was the fact. To enable him to do so, the case was adjourned to next morning.
18 Jan 1867 DEATHS - On the 9th inst, at uplands House, of bronchitis and congestion of the lungs, Mrs Jane Powell, the wife of Mr Francis Powell, the gardner, aged 65 years, much esteemed and respected by all who knew her.
3 Oct 1873 DEATHs - On the 24 ult, in his 70th year, Francis Powell, former gardener at Uplands, with James Walter, Esq, J.P
regards
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Hi Annpat,
the only reason I mentioned the 1841 census was to show which parish the house come under. I know your man wasn't there then.
;)
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Have completed check of Cambrian articles - will send PM
Still to complete search for mary Ann's wedding cert
regards
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Thank you Rick.