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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: davcan on Sunday 07 August 11 01:09 BST (UK)
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my Gr Gr grandmother who in 1841 Thur 1891 went by the name Sarah king gave birth to maria boucher king in1841 in kensington town. the father is john king [dentist]. i am looking for the marriage of Sarah boucher to john king . can anyone suggest a way to find this thanks Dave
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Hi
Do you have a copy of Marias birth cert confirming her mothers maiden name was Boucher
Births December qtr 1841
Maria Boucher King Kensington
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Are Sarah & John together on any census?
If not - when and where was Sarah born?
Was Maria the only child?
Maria's 1864 marriage cert confirms father as John - occ gentleman
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Hi just in case this is Maria in 1851:-
Sarah King 31 Unmarried occ Servant b Abingdon Berks
Maria King 9 Visitor b Earls Court, Brompton
Sarah is a servant for John Williams aged 60 b Bloomsbury
Residing at 14a, Princes Street, Marylebone.
Census Ref HO107/1487/431/68
Keyboard86
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And in 1861:-
Sarah King 40 Unmarried occ Housekeeper b Marcham Bucks
Maria B 19 Unmarried ( A Ward)? b Earls Court Kensington
They are employed by John Watkins 70 occ Gentleman b Old Brompton London?
Residing at Church Street, Slough
Census Ref RG09/853/22/37
Keyboard86
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Hi
Do you have a copy of Marias birth cert confirming her mothers maiden name was Boucher
Births December qtr 1841
Maria Boucher King Kensington
hi i do have the birth cert of her daughter ,maria boucher king and on it the mother is sarah king formerly boucher dated dec 2 1841 in kensington town kensington dave
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Hi Dave, as you can see above John King and Sarah Boucher never married?
Keyboard86
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Are Sarah & John together on any census?
If not - when and where was Sarah born?
Was Maria the only child?
Maria's 1864 marriage cert confirms father as John - occ gentleman
hi again sarah is on every census from 1841 to 1891 , which i have but never with john king . i do find a sarah king with john king in 1841 . sarah always refers to marcham berkshire or abingdon for her birth place dave also maria boucher king marries and has a child and dies 2 years later in1866. she was the only child for sarah and john king dave
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Hi just in case this is Maria in 1851:-
Sarah King 31 Unmarried occ Servant b Abingdon Berks
Maria King 9 Visitor b Earls Court, Brompton
Sarah is a servant for John Williams aged 60 b Bloomsbury
Residing at 14a, Princes Street, Marylebone.
Census Ref HO107/1487/431/68
Keyboard86
hi thanks for checking i do have that census record and concur with all of the above except my detail for that census is not as thorough as yours. her birth of her daughter says her former name was boucher ,and she named her daughter maria boucher king dave
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And in 1861:-
Sarah King 40 Unmarried occ Housekeeper b Marcham Bucks
Maria B 19 Unmarried ( A Ward)? b Earls Court Kensington
They are employed by John Watkins 70 occ Gentleman b Old Brompton London?
Residing at Church Street, Slough
Census Ref RG09/853/22/37
Keyboard86
thanks i have that census and i pretty sure that birth is for marcham berks dave
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Hi Dave, yes I believe that Maria is John's child, and Sarah took the name King, but for some reason they did not or could not marry, on the 1861 on the original against Maria there are a couple of words that appear to say ",A Ward",A Ward of Court maybe? I am unsure, what are your thoughts.
Keyboard86
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Hi Dave, as you can see above John King and Sarah Boucher never married?
Keyboard86
i do have the census for 1861 but it does not say she never married and as i said previously her daughter's birth cert says she was formerly sarah boucher. daveHi Dave, yes I believe that Maria is John's child, and Sarah took the name King, but for some reason they did not or could not marry, on the 1861 on the original against Maria there are a couple of words that appear to say ",A Ward",A Ward of Court maybe? I am unsure, what are your thoughts.
Keyboard86
hi i see what you are referring to now as i have that also. i don't know what that means and i guess i will have to think about that for awhile. thankyou so much for your support dave
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Could this be her baptism??
Sarah King 31 Jan 1819 Marcham, Berkshire Father James King Mother Martha
There is also a Sarah King aged 20 on the 1841 living in Marcham with parents George and Charlotte
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Have you checked the spelling Bowcher ?
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Hi Dave, as you can see above John King and Sarah Boucher never married?
Keyboard86
i do have the census for 1861 but it does not say she never married and as i said previously her daughter's birth cert says she was formerly sarah boucher. dave
Hi Dave, yes I believe that Maria is John's child, and Sarah took the name King, but for some reason they did not or could not marry, on the 1861 on the original against Maria there are a couple of words that appear to say ",A Ward",A Ward of Court maybe? I am unsure, what are your thoughts.
Keyboard86
hi i see what you are referring to now as i have that also. i don't know what that means and i guess i will have to think about that for awhile. thankyou so much for your support dave
hi keyboard 86 i do believe now that maria b. was under the custody of john watkins probably so that she could remain with her mother. a servant could possibly loose their child to a workhouse in those days. if there was a court order for this do you know where i could look for this ? thanks dave
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Have you checked the spelling Bowcher ?
i do have a birth and marriage cert . with the spelling as boucher. i guess there could be a spelling error so i won't discount that spelling dave
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Could this be her baptism??
Sarah King 31 Jan 1819 Marcham, Berkshire Father James King Mother Martha
There is also a Sarah King aged 20 on the 1841 living in Marcham with parents George
that sounds very close what i don't get is why she says formerly boucher could she appear on the 1841 census in multiple places? dave
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Possible explanations:
She was illegitimate and born as Boucher - her mother married somebody called King and she adopted that surname
Boucher was a family surname - possibly her mothers maiden name - and she used it to disguise the fact that she was a single mother
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Possible explanations:
She was illegitimate and born as Boucher - her mother married somebody called King and she adopted that surname
Boucher was a family surname - possibly her mothers maiden name - and she used it to disguise the fact that she was a single mother
hi carole that does seem to be a reasonable outcome and may explain why i can't seem to find marriage or birth records for sarah thanks for your help and advice dave
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Possible explanations:
She was illegitimate and born as Boucher - her mother married somebody called King and she adopted that surname
Boucher was a family surname - possibly her mothers maiden name - and she used it to disguise the fact that she was a single mother
hi carole that does seem to be a reasonable outcome and may explain why i can't seem to find marriage or birth records for sarah thanks for your help and advice dave
hi carol you gave me sarah king in 1841 in marcham with parents george and charlotte .. i have that and also sarah king with john watkins and wife harriet in 1841 st james westminster age 20 not born in county is it possible she is in 2 places on same census 1841? i do know she reunited with john watkins in 1861 census in bucks as housekeeper harriet watkins died in1852 could you advise me on this thanks dave