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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: lizziebee on Saturday 06 August 11 00:41 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know anything more of Bertie,b.1882/3/4 at Gosport?
All I've got is he was in the Royal Marines (or maybe just a mariner?) in 1897,also
In Jan 1919 he was awarded the AFC (London Gazette)
In Nov 1938 the MM ( do )
In Sept 1939 he was a Flight Lieutenant ( do )
Quote: (He)"relinquished (his) commission in Class CC on appointment to (a) commission in the Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserves"
Nov 1939 he is a Squadron Leader on his son's marriage certificate.
Family legend has it he took part in establishing the Fleet Air Arm.
He surely got around!
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Hi
What kind of info are you looking for - are you researching his ancestry (ie) parents/siblings etc or are you looking for further info re: his military history
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This looks like his birth registration -so you can be a little more certain of his y.o.b.
Bertie Sandael Brice
Jun qtr 1883
Alverstoke reg district
Hampshire
2b 582
At the time of 1901 census he was a "bugler" on the Excellent Portsmouth
He eventually became a sergeant in the Royal Marines Light Infantry
Married Mary Leonora Maccabee in 1905-reg dist Newbury berks
They had 5 children 3 girls 2 boys???
RG13 984 87 38
Suz
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Service no : RNAS
Medals awarded 1914-1920
WW1
Europe
Star, Victory medal, British War medal
Suz
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You can get a copy of his service records from the National Archives
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
Put "Bertie Sandel Brice" in word or phrase box
and
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=8065348&queryType=1&resultcount=1
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Hi CaroleW,I'm lookng for both his family and military history;it's for his grandson,my cousin, who was a Royal Marine himself.He lives abroad and is even less computer literate than I am.
Thanks bearkat for the info,will see where it goes.
Lizziebee
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1891 census for The Highlander Alverstoke. All children b Gosport
George Brice 43 publican b Southampton
Frances E 36 b Portsmouth
Flora S 16
Ernest G 14
Fanny M 10
Bertie S 7
Sidney H J 5
RG12 Piece 880 Folio 82 Page 15
The 1881 census is free to search at http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
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CaroleW
You are amazing!! Thanks very much,lizziebee
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Per freebmd
Marriages June qtr 1872
George Brice Portsea 2b 701
Frances Emma Thomson
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Have a look at this link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0eks/
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lizziebee
I had a look at that census of 1891, and found that "The Highlander" public house was actually in the town of Gosport, in the registration area of Alverstoke, hence the description as such on the census. In those days the Licensing sessions for the the pubs in Gosport were held in Fareham, so through the assistance of the Hampshire Advertiser I can tell you that George and his family did not remain long in Gosport after 1891, but later that year moved to a beer house in Arundel-Street, Portsmouth.
So unless there were others by the name of George Brice, then the following information may well apply to your George Brice.
FAREHAM .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, July 18, 1891
On Monday July 13th, the Fareham magistrates held a licensing session and they transferred the licence of the Highlander from George Brice to Nicolas Canny
LICENSING TRANSFERS AT PORTSMOUTH .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, July 23, 1892;
On Tuesday 19th July, the Licensing justices at Portsmouth, held a session when they transferred licences at various beer houses in Portsmouth.
This included the licence of the Black Prince in Arundel-street, Portsmouth from George Brice to Henry Isaacs.
So Your George went from the Highlander in Fareham to the Black Prince in Arundel-street, Portsmouth.
As to what happened after that date the above newspaper has no more references I can find, however I can tell you that George was more than likely in that pub in 1888-see below:
GOSPORT .
Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle Saturday, November 24, 1888; Issue 5605.
A Juvenile offender, James Grant, 13, schoolboy, was brought up on remand charged with stealing 6shiilings 3 pence from a till at The Highlander Inn, High-street-Mrs. Brice, the wife of the landlord of the house, said she caught the prisoner behind the counter on Friday afternoon. He threw the money on the floor which he had taken from the till and attempted to escape, but she detained him and gave him into the custody of P.C. New. ………….His father paid the fine of £1, rather than have him flogged!
In 1901 George is at 93, Queens Road, Alverstoke, but in fact, according to the description of the area is in fact off Stoke Road, which is still in what we call Gosport as opposed to Alverstoke, as a Royal Naval Pensioner.
George Brice 53, Years
Francis E Brice 46, Years
George S W Brice 28 years, married (shown as George’s son) born Gosport
Arthur D S Brice, 9 years (son of George S W Brice as opposed to George)
Edith F L Brice 3years (daughter of George S W Brice as opposed to George)
Class: RG13; Piece: 1009; Folio: 105; Page: 10
Tom
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Also this in the Times:
The Times, Friday, Nov 14, 1919; pg. 15; Issue 42257; col B
Court Circular
Buckingham Palace, November 13th
The King Held an investiture in the Ball Room of the Palace at 11 o’clock this morning:
The following were decorated with the Air Force Cross: Royal Air Force, Flying Officer Bertie Brice.
Tom
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Many thanks to you Suzard,I had replied before but must have pressed the wrong button because I'd also asked if the RG etc could be quoted if I were to apply to Gro for certificates and the post wasn't printed.I'll get the hang of it yet!
Also thanks again CaroleW and to you Tom Piper for the great amount of info.
My cousin remembers going to visit his grandparents,tho' his grandfather,Bertie wasn't there.He thinks the house was in the New Forest,near to (then) a village. It was a big house,white with a red roof,lawns in front and an orchard behind the house.He thinks the house was called "Redroofs". Does this ring any bells,anyone?
Lizziebee