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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: RanneFraser on Friday 05 August 11 16:22 BST (UK)
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Hi! ;D Searching for Margaret Relph's husband William Wanstall on the 1841 census. In 1841, she's shown with their three children in St Peters(Thanet St Peter? I'm still confused as to what this parish is currently called). In 1851, she's widowed yet he must have died after 1843 because they had a son that year. I've combed through every William Wanstall i could find, including name variations, but can't figure out where he was in 1841.
I'm not sure how old he is. She was born in 1800. They were married October 18, 1831 also in St Peter. I have an idea of who his parents were based on his sister, but it's mostly guessing at this point. If i could find him on the census, i think it would be a great help. There were also more than a few William Wanstall deaths around 1846 so this might help narrow those down as well.
Not sure if i should post this as Kent specific, maybe he was in a different county? Any help would be much appreciated! Thank you!
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What occupation does he give on the son (bn 1843) birth cert?
There are several William Wanstells in Kent in 1841, but most have wife with them ... but how about
HO107 492 7
Woolwich Arsenal
indexed William Wannel, but image unclear.
Age 40, occ Shipwright, born in county
seems to be living alone
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I can't purchase any of their birth certificates or marriage record sadly(i'm broke right now) so i'm working blind basically. I don't know his occupation, but the person i believe to be his father was a shipwright so this looks promising. I will check it now. :) Thank you for taking the time to help!
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Just thinking about the 1841 census, I believe that there are missing
pieces along the North Kent coast, mainly between Whitstable and
Herne Bay. Perhaps a Rootschatter who knows more details could
advise you further. This may be why you can't find your man.
Hope this helps, ama
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There was a William WANSTALL, shipwright in Broadstairs (that would be St Peter, Thanet) in 1841 but with other family :-\
1841 Crow Hill area, Broadstairs
William WANSTALL 55 shipwright b.Kent
Maria 20 b.Kent
Emily 15 b.Kent
Margaret 13 b.Kent
Joseph 12 b.Kent
William 7 b.Kent
HO107/468 book 19 folio 15 page 22
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It does look as though it may be two different families :-\
I have an idea of who his parents were based on his sister, but it's mostly guessing at this point
May we ask where this sister turns up to give a clue?
Casalguidi :)
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Thank you ama, i didn't realize there were parts missing. Interesting!
Casalguidi, Mary Ann Wanstall married James Snell in 1843. They're living in Lambeth, Surrey in 1851 with my 3rd great grandmother Mary Wanstall as a niece. Annoying coincidence, i don't know where Mary Ann is in 1841 either. She was born 1812 in Broadstairs, died 1892 Lambeth.
I think they were the children of William Wanstall and Mary Smith. If that's true then William would have been born in 1808 in Fordwich. That would make him 8 years older than his wife though which is why i'm so desperate to find him in the census.
Thank you for your effort!
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I don’t know if you are still looking for information on William Wanstall of St Peter in Thanet, but if you are I have set out below some details that might help in a small way.
I should start by saying I have not been able to find his death, nor any record of him on the 1841 Census. I very much doubt that you will not find him in 1841 as he was a Mariner, so was probably at sea when the census was taken.
At the baptisms of his four children, Eleanor 31/3/1833, Mary 7/6/1835, William Ralph 5/2/1837 and John Edward 26/11/1843 his occupation was twice recorded as Mariner and on the two other occasions as a Sailor.
I have found two records for a William Wanstall on the Merchant Navy Seamen’s List for the years 1845 to 1854. In both instances his place of birth is said to be Fordwick. The ticket number on the first sighting is 171,236. The second ticket is 157,050 and this possibly is William Wanstall snr.
Then I have found another Seamen’s record for William Wanstale (sic) ticket no. 171,236 issued at Ramsgate. Further details on this record are:-
Born - Fordwick, Kent on 2 April 1808
Capacity – Seaman
Various personal details, height etc.
First went to sea as a boy in 1823.
When unemployed resides at Broadstairs.
Ticket issued, Ramsgate 21/12/1844.
Then the possible William snr. with another Seamen’s record for William Wanstale (sic) ticket no. 157,050 issued at Ramsgate. Further details on this record are:-
Born - Fordwich, Kent on 11 April 1786
Capacity – Seaman
Various personal details, height etc.
First went to sea as a Carpenter in 1830.
When unemployed resides at Margate.
Ticket issued, Ramsgate 31/12/1844.
Margaret Wanstall was buried in St Peter’s Churchyard 19/10/1889 (aged 89) from the Union Workhouse in Minster. The two sons are also buried there William Ralph 2/3/1866 and John Edward 7/7/1875.
I do hope this helps.
Regards,
Tony
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Wow :D thank you so much for all the information! I do have his birthday (or christening) as April 3, 1808 in Fordwich. His father's birth is recorded as November 30, 1783 at Bekesbourne. Do you think this is the wrong man?
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I will say that the baptism date from Bekesbourne does not fit particularly well with the Seamen’s Records. If I had to choose one to work on it would be the William Wanstall born of Elizabeth Wanstall a single woman in St Dunstan, Canterbury. The date of his baptism was 23 April 1786.
Going on from there I have found a marriage of Elizabeth Wanstall and John Sole in Fordwich dated 24 March 1788. The couple had 7 children, in Fordwich, over the next ten years. ??? ???
I have also found a possible burial for
Mary Wanstall in St John's Cemetery, Margate
25 November 1845 aged 58.
There is a possible sighting of Mary as well on the 1841 census in London, St Martins in the Field
HO107, piece 739, folio 4, page 4
Charity Smith 40
Mary Wanstall 50
Mary Wanstall 25
Charlotte Palfrey 20
Apart from the the two Mary Wanstalls; mother and daughter? (neither born in Middlesex) and Charity Smith and Charlotte Palfrey all link together I believe. ;D
I will put my thinking cap on and put together an explanation. ::) Probably tomorrow now as it is getting time to take the dog out for his last walk!
Regards,
Tony
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Now i'm officially confused. I have William Sr dying December 26, 1846 in Margate and Mary dying as you said November 25, 1845, but you have him going off to sea.
However, yours does make more sense since i couldn't find a census for Mary Ann (daughter married to James Snell in 1843 London) or Mary Smith(mother).
I wish i had saved the explanation from the Wanstall expert that i spoke with as to why he believed William was from Bekesbourne. Too many Williams :P
Thank you, have a nice evening!
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Whoops! :-[
Typo from me Date of Issue of Ticket for William Wanstall (Snr possible) should be 31 December 1844. I have edited the original.
Regards,
Tony
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Update as promised on the link between the four ladies in that 1841 census at St Martins in the Field. :)
James and Mary Smith had many children including Mary born c1888, Hannah, c1889 and Charity, c1896 all of whom were baptised in Chislet.
James Palfrey married Hannah Smith at Herne on 14 March 1807. Following that he was a witness at the marriage of William Wanstall to Mary Smith (18/5/1807, Fordwich) The other witness was Hannah Smith (sic) ::)
James and Hannah Palfrey had a daughter Charlotte baptised December 1820 at Reculver.
Charity Smith, Mary Wanstall (nee Smith) with her daughter Mary and Charlotte Palfrey are all together on that 1841 census return as in my previous posting.
Hope this makes sense, plus I think it adds more credibility to your William Wanstall being the one born in Fordwich in 1808. ???
Regards,
Tony
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That makes complete sense, thank you for sharing! I had William Sr in the 1841 census, but now i have to go over everything to figure out why i felt that was the right one.