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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Gilli-Anne on Friday 05 August 11 12:15 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have this lady in their tree? I came across her name in the 1901 census. She shows up as a niece of another Jane Owens, who by then was Jane Jenkins. I am trying to verify who the father of each Jane was. The location is Browndod, Kilwaughter, County Antrim.
Gillian
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William Jenkins = Jane Owens, married 1860 Antrim, Church wedding, Jane's father was a James Owens
Not seeing a birth record for the younger Jane Owens in Antrim
Regards
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Hi,
Rather strangely I can find the marriage of Jane Owens to William JENKIN in Larne 1st Presbyterian Church on 16 Jan 1863. Again the father was James Owens.
Regards
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Sorry! My mistake, marriage was 1863, I had a 5 year filter on from 1860, forgot to narrow down to correct year
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For reference here's the 1901 census entry-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Kilwaughter/Browndodd/994962
Niece Jane Owens is aged 18 but there's also a 14 year old nephew named Samuel Owens in the household.
PRONI has a Will Extract for a William Jenkins of Browndodd who might be the one from this census- "Probate of the Will of William Jenkins late of Browndodd Larne County Antrim Farmer who died 8 September 1913 granted at Belfast to Robert J. Jenkins Grocer and Robert Snoddy Farmer"
In 1911 census- Willam and Jane Jenkins still have Jane Owens in the household-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Kilwaughter/Browndod/195031
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Thank you for all your replies. I started this thread off looking for more information on the younger Jane, but am also trying to find data on the older Jane, or rather her father James. I understood from my late aunt's notes that he was the son of Robert Owens, 1777-1860, but another tree has him as the son of John Owens, 1772-1857. This tree does have Jane 1843 as the daughter of James 1814-1896. Yet another tree has James as the son of Robert, but doesn't have Jane 1843. To complicate things further, James 1814-1896 in his will mentions only a son William and no other family apart from his wife.
I can see a Samuel Owens in the 1901 census entry, but he is listed as a servant rather than a nephew.
Gillian
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Hi , my family are Owens from LARNE and I'm working on the family tree, If you are on facebook please send me a friend request. I now live in Cape Town .
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Hi Alan,
Very interested to see that you have connections with the Larne Owens family, also that you are in Cape Town. My family and I have had many happy holidays there as it was the place of my husband's birth and his younger brother lived there for several years
Unfortunately I am not on Facebook, but could you email me with any information you have please?
Thanks,
Gillian
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Jane Owens born 1883 Larne district- parents James Owens & Ellen McGookin:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02753/2011418.pdf
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Thanks for the advice and for the information.
Gillian
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Jane Owens born 1883 Larne district- parents James Owens & Ellen McGookin:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02753/2011418.pdf
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I checked the link you gave me, but didn't find out any more from that source about the parents. I'm guessing they both died before the census date and that was why that Jane was living/staying with the Jenkins, though I can't find where the link with them is. I found an entry for James and Ellen's marriage on Emerald Ancestors and sent away for more details. Hopefully that will tell me a bit more about them.
Gillian
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Some bits and pieces to consider...
1862: Catherine Owens living in the townland of Ballysnod (Inver civil parish) married William James Smyth in Larne 1st Presbyterian, her father James Owens was recorded as a farmer, one of the witnesses was a William Jenkin.
1863: Jane Owens living in Ballysnod married William Jenkin(s) in Larne 1st Presbyterian, her father James Owens was recorded as a farmer.
1869: William Owens living in Ballysnod married a Rachel Forsythe in Ballynure Presbyterian, his father James Owens was recorded as a farmer.
1876: James Owens living in Ballysnod married Ellen McGookin in Larne 1st Presbyterian, his father James Owens was recorded as a farmer.
Just a possibility, a James Owens of 'Ballysnodd' who died in 1896 with reported age of 82:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05902/4674688.pdf
His will mentions a wife Jane: Probate of the Will of James Owens late of Ballysnodd Larne County Antrim Farmer who died 10 May 1896 granted at Belfast to James Owens Junior of Ballysnodd Farmer and James Owens of Larne Plasterer both said County.
A possibility for Jane?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Kilwaughter/Ballysnodd/994950/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05574/4565385.pdf
HOWEVER, the PRONI Will Calendars Index brings back several other Owens / Ballysnod(d) 'hits'. As do the 1901 and 1911 censuses. As does Griffith's Valuation (print date 1861). So quite a cluster of Owens in that same townland (possibly even more than one contemporary James Owens) and a few more in the wider Larne area for you to follow up.
Edited to add: The Tithe Applotment Books show one Owens entry for Ballysnod - Owens, Wm. , Ballysnad, 1833, Inver, (Co.) Antrim. Newspaper hits for the Owens of Ballysnod include this example from 6 January 1840: On the 2d ult. at Ballysnod, near Larne, Mr William Owens, in the 106th year of his age. He was followed to the grave by a numerous retinue of sons and daughters, together with their children's children, the greatest portion of them being great great grandchildren ... His eldest son is 72, and a few years since his wife died at the advanced age of 98... etc.
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I am beginning to think that Owens the farmers and Owens the plasterers were not related and that Jane who married a Jenkins was of the farmer stock. I'm pretty sure my Owens's were the plasterers.
I'll have to look through all the data and see if I can figure out who belongs to whom. Thanks for all the links.
Gillian
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Jane and Samuel Owens 1901 census.
ballysnodd
james owens & ellen mcgookin
children:
mary 5 jan 1879
margaret 19 dec 1880
jane 26 jan 1883
samuel james 2 feb 1887
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Jane and Samuel Owens 1901 census.
ballysnodd
see reply #4
james owens & ellen mcgookin
children:
mary 5 jan 1879
margaret 19 dec 1880
jane 26 jan 1883
samuel james 2 feb 1887
Jane- reply #8
Also,
Alexander born 16 Apr.1885
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02651/1977471.pdf
John born 23 May 1889
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02467/1916285.pdf
Mary born 21 July 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02382/1888813.pdf
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Thanks to Gaffy for the newspaper clip about William Owens' funeral. It makes him more real rather than just a name.
Gillian
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Thanks to Gaffy for the newspaper clip about William Owens' funeral. It makes him more real rather than just a name.
Gillian
What 'newspaper clip'? Lots of information posted on the thread but not sure that you've looked through it all :-\
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Look at Reply#11.
Gillian.
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Hi all
I have a Margaret McCullough who married an Owens, possibly called Thomas of ballysnod.
Margaret is mentioned within the last will and testament of her brother Robert McCullough late of Ballygallough in 1871.
Other names mentioned are
William baird of clementshill possibly married to Helena baird otherwise stewart, Edward hunter of Little ballymena, William Fee of Ballygallough and James mcmurty of bruslee all County farmers.
Roberts brother William was born at Ballysnod in 1806.
Has any one got a marriage between an Owens and McCullough possibly mid 1800's
Regards
Alan
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Margaret is mentioned within the last will and testament of her brother Robert McCullough late of Ballygallough in 1871.
Other names mentioned are
William baird of clementshill possibly married to Helena baird otherwise stewart, Edward hunter of Little ballymena, William Fee of Ballygallough and James mcmurty of bruslee all County farmers.
PRONI Full Abstract :
The Will of Robert M'Cullough late of Ballygallough County Antrim Farmer deceased who died 3 August 1871 at Clementshill in said County was proved at Belfast by the oaths of William Baird of Clementshill aforesaid Edward Hunter of Little Ballymena William Fee of Ballygallough aforesaid and James M'Murtry of Bruslee all in (Ballyclare) said County Farmers four of the Executors.
The image of the will available to view on PRONI.
KG
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Hi all
I have a Margaret McCullough who married an Owens, possibly called Thomas of ballysnod
Has any one got a marriage between an Owens and McCullough possibly mid 1800's
Regards
Alan
That's interesting, because I have a Thomas Owens of Ballysnod, married to a Margaret, surname unknown. I don't have his date of birth or of death, but he was the son of William and Rachel Owens and his siblings' dates of birth were 1767, 1772 and 1777. Could this be your Margaret?
Gillian
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Hi Gillian
Unfortunately at the moment all I have to go on is that Margaret McCullough Owen(s) had two brothers. Robert McCullough 1807-1871 and William mccullough 1806-1883 William is my connection and I understand he was born in ballysnodd, Antrim.
It would appear that your owens were from an earlier time at Ballysnodd
Regards
Alan
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Hi Alan, looking at the details again, you're probably right.
I hope you find what you're looking for.
Gillian
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Deaths were only registered 1864+ and some of these do not have Images at the moment.
This LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ow4/ will get the Deaths (plus Birth, Marriage) but one can use it to check for any updated ones in the future.
If you want to look at Marriages then just click Marriage....
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Just change Surname if needed to Search for them on the Irish Govt BDM Website
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
One needs to solve Security Captcha and one can use Initials to sign in. Certs are Free. (as in paid for by Irish Tax payers ;D )
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what-civil-records-are-on-line
see https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line explains Years etc.
Only up to 1922 for N. Ireland.
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Thanks for the links, Hallmark. There were records for several members of my family. However, when I tried clicking on Image for some of them there were no images matching the records for these people.
Also, I think I may have got the details for one of my family members incorrect, so I'll have to see about changing those.
Gillian
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Those with Return Page No do not have Images at moment but will have 'some time' and one can use Link posted to check.
If one has an Image and it goes to wrong Image one needs to report it.
For McCullough one can use wildcard to allow for variations in spelling... e.g. McCull* after clicking on New Search
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Thanks.
Gillian