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Looking for information on
Pascal Atkey ALFORD b. 1832 Yarmouth, isle of Wight.
and his daughter
Kate Atkey ALFORD b. ?
His parents were John Alford and Elizabeth Pascal [Atkey] Alford.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Kind regards,
Leigh Thomas
Port Elizabeth, South Africa
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Can you tell us all you know and where you have found it?
E.g how do you know he had a daughter called Kate?
Have you found them on any censuses?
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1851
HO107 1662 18 9
Hillis Farm, Norhwood, IOW
John Alford 52 farmer 120 acres bn Cowes
Susanna 43 bn Yarmouth IOW
Paschal A 19 son
Sarah A 16 dtr
James 5
William 3 all children bn Yarmouth IOW
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In 1861 John and Susanna and the younger two children, William and James are still at Northwood
No sign of Pascal, nor can I spot a marriage for him.
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I always look here if I have missing men.
Found him
The National Archives Family History: Registers of Seamen's Services
< http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7852727&queryType=1&resultcount=1 (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7852727&queryType=1&resultcount=1) >
Image details
Description Name Alford, Pascal or Pascall
Place of Birth: Isle of Wight
Continuous Service Number: 11673
Date of Volunteering: 17 February 1854
Date 05 March 1833
Catalogue reference ADM 139/117
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Continuous Service Engagement Books
Piece 11601 - 11700
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference.
Ann
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Hi
Pascal Alford is on the Crimea Medal roll for HMS Dauntless as an Ordinary Seaman (Ships No.273) where he qualified for the Sebastopol clasp. He must have joined the ship in late 1854, because he was not entitled to the Baltic Medal, and she sailed for the Black Sea in December 1854.
Out of interest there is also a Benjamin Alford, Carpenters Crew, who served on Dauntless in both the Baltic and the Black Sea - a possible relative?
Martin
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Hi All,
http://www.terrys.org.uk/charts/a/alfor600.htm
It appears that John Alford was married twice - first to Elizabeth Pascall Atkey, Jan 27 1826 Northwood (children: Christian White Larkins, John, Pascal Atkey, and Sarah Atkey) and second - to Susannah Plumbly in Mar 1843 in Portsea (children: James and William).
Pascal (according to my research) was married to Louisa Ann Parsons. I believe they were married either in England, or on route to South Africa, as there is no record that I can find of their marriage in South Africa.
I have record of Kate Atkey Alford's Death, but nothing of her Birth, so I am again assuming that she was born in England before Pascal moved to South Africa.
He is on the nominal roll of 2nd Brabant's Horse, a colonial unit of the Boer War of 1899-1902.
SURNAME GIVEN NAMES/INITIALS RANK NUMBER UNIT
Alford Pascall Atkey Sergeant 814 2nd Brabant's Horse
Number/ Name/ Rank/ Place, Date In/ Place, Date Out
814 /Alford, Pascal Atkey/Sergt/Graaf R./9.12.99/Dis 15.10.00
This is all the information that I have on the family currently!
I hope this helps?
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Someone has quite an extensive Tree for Pascal;
Children, all with Surname Alford;
Beatrice Baldwin-died 1883
KATE Atkey 1865-1926
Annie Pascall 1869-1944
Elizabeth Leonora 1871-1951
Irene Rootham 1873
Maud Marion 1874-1875
Pascall Atkey 1875-1940
Kinburn Moorcroft 1877-1964
Now they have Pascall Marrying Marianne BAXTER 12 April 1865, Queenstown, Eastern Cape, South Africa
From what I can see then the Child Beatrice may have another Mother?
KATE was born 03 Nov 1866, Sth Africa (oh my Birthday!), Died 31 Dec 1926
The Pascall/Atkey lines they have going back several generations
Christian Larkins PASCALL married Joseph ATKEY 11 April 1804 IOW and was Widowed 1813 and then Married William WHITE, 06 May 1818, Dover, Kent
She appears as a 69yr old Widow of Independant means on the 1851 Census in Cowes, Hampshire , under C L White (also on 1861 census) and dies 1862
She is with Son in Law John Rootham in 1861;
RG9/519/ 93/3
HO107/1662/80/17
HO107/407/5/Northwood
Joseph ATKEY and Christian had;
Elizabeth Pascall 1804-1839
Henry Pascall 1805
Pascall 1807-1822
Phoebe Gravener 1809-1877
(Christians Mother was a GRAVENER)
Trish :)
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Someone has quite an extensive Tree for Pascal;
Children, all with Surname Alford;
Beatrice Baldwin-died 1883
KATE Atkey 1865-1926
Annie Pascall 1869-1944
Elizabeth Leonora 1871-1951
Irene Rootham 1873
Maud Marion 1874-1875
Pascall Atkey 1875-1940
Kinburn Moorcroft 1877-1964
Do you have a source for this information? I would love to find out if this is my Pascall. Maybe he remarried?
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Hi Leigh,
Source of info a Family Tree on Ancestry.
You should get the 1865 Marriage Cert and it should have if he was Widowed or not.
Do you have Kates Marriage and Death Cert?
What info does it have on them if you do?
I wondered how you had her Mother as Louisa Parsons?
Trish :)
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You have been such a huge help Trish, thank you! As soon as I have the opportunity to travel to Cape Town to visit the archives again, I will get all these marriage and death certificates that I am missing!
Please let me know if there is anything you need help with from my side!
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Your welcome Leigh :)
I might take you up on your offer 1 side of my Family spent time in Sth Africa before going on to New Zealand late 1860's.
Trish :)
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RE. Ancestor -RICHARD ALFORD from Freshwater B abt 1773
Hi to those who recorded information on the Alford/Atkey families earlier this year and the excellent site given for Alford and Atkey families of other researchers.
We are connected on our MOREY line of family by a marriage of Edward Oliver Smith to Julia Morey at Northwood IOW. Edward's Mum was Elizabeth Gleed ALFORD Bp 26 Jan 1804 St Mary Cowes.
Elizabeth's parents are Richard Alford who we understand was B c 1773 Freshwater and m Elizabeth nee Cole on 14 Oct 1798 must somehow be linked to this research you have all been kind enough to post on the r/chat site. Is there some way of linking into this from your research to tie in how it all fits together, please?
Can anyone enlighten us as to if our Richard is in any way a relation of the two families above?
Thanks and Happy New year to all rootschatters :)
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Hi all
Need to know if anyone can trace our ancestors who appear to have vanished from the family search site (pre 1837) - these are Elizabeth Gleed Alford who married John Richard Smith on 14 Oct 1830 Northwood (Cowes) Isle of Wight. Their 5 children are below:
George Augustus Severin Smith B 28 Aug 1832 Cowes
Amelia Sturgis Grover Smith B 21 Feb 1834 Cowes
Hugh Abbott Harlow Smith B 1 May 1836 (place unknown)
Edward Oliver Smith (our link to the family) B 22 Aug 1837 West Cowes
died on 19 Aug 1914
John Hall Smith b about 1840 Cowes
Since Smith is a minefield name to research we hope someone out there may know why these children of Elizabeth and John Richard Smiths are given such "poignant" christian names as there must be some reason for these - unless they are past family name links, we have no idea on this.
Perhaps someone on the rootschat link will know or be related, please ? ;D
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I take it you have the 1861 census from Fee Cen
Piece: RG9/652 /143 Page: 20
Address: 2 Bath Road
John R SMITH Head 58 Accountant Interpreter Etc b London
Elizabeth G SMITH Wife 50 b Isle of Wight - West Cowes
Hugh A H SMITH Son 25 Draper, (Visiting) b Isle of Wight West Cowes
Edward O SMITH Son 23 Shipwrights App b Isle of Wight West Cowes
John H SMITH Son 21 Printer b Isle of Wight - West Cowes
Julia MOREY Visitr 23 b Isle of Wight - West Cowes
Charles MOREY Servnt 13 Printers Boy b Isle of Wight - Newport
marriage 12 Aug 1862 SMITH Hugh Abbott Harlow F B, to SMITH mary Ann F S, SMITH John Richard, SMITH George. at Northwood
Ann
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Hello Ann E
How very kind of you to send the 1861 Census with the data and the marriage details for Hugh Abbott Harlow Smith. We can only guess that this was a "well-heeled" sort of family and that our Julia Morey who was about to wed Edward the son of John/Elizabeth Smith was living there at the time in preparation for her forthcoming Wedding as the Morey parents Isaac & Jane may not have had sufficient accommodation for her to stay over with them in Cowes, where Isaac was a Baker and Pastrycook - and was a ship's biscuit maker based in Portsmouth earlier, who made the hard blck kind of biscuits they ate aboard the old men-o-war ships of the Navy! Teeth were probably lost in the process!!!!!
We appreciate your help - but find the naming of the children odd in view of the surname Smith.
We can only assume it had some connection to the former family descendants on one side or other.
Ta very much Ann - you are a star.
John & Angela
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Hi John & ,
I have some info for you, I will P M you.
Ann
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Thanks Ann :) for the excellent info on Smith Alford etc. family. Still we shall hunt them down as no link appears to the ones being researched but there must be a link for our Richard father of Elizabeth.
Know others who are searching for the name of Gleed too. It all gets intense!
Cheers John
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Hello,
I have recently taken over the work done by my Father (Ronald) and I'm just checking through all his info and updating my records. John Richard SMITH is my great great great Grandfather. Please contact me if you would like to share some info.
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Hello,
I have recently taken over the work done by my Father (Ronald) and I'm just checking through all his info and updating my records. John Richard SMITH is my great great great Grandfather. Please contact me if you would like to share some info.
Stephen Thompson