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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Abygail on Sunday 13 November 05 11:27 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for any information available about a great grandfather of mine. From what my grandmother has passed onto me, (which isn't a lot) her father was from Carland, Dungannon Co Tyrone Ireland. His name was John Seeton / Seaton, born 15 Mar 1857, his parents were George Seeton and Mary Gribble. It has been calculated they were born around 1828 as they are thought to have died aged about 92 years in 1919 approximately.
Seems George died 1913 and Mary in 1922 Have since found that most of the family that remained in Co Tyrone are buried at All Saints Church, Crossdernott in a family plot. Mary's maiden name was Coulter not Grimble - have no idea why many of the sons thought their mother's maiden name was Grimble.
John Seeton had at 1 other sibling, George, Still looking for George and possibly a sister or cousin named Jane Seeton. It is thought Jane stayed in Ireland and possibly married.
Jane was actually Sarah Jane, she and a brother Thomas both remained single, lived at home with their parents -
George (the son) Seeton allegedly went to America, and John had planned to work his passage on a ship to join him there, only once at sea he found the ship ( the West Riding )he had signed onto was bound direct to Australia. When landfall was made at Adelaide John jumped ship (2/2/1880) and eventually settled in Ballarat Victoria where he married in 1895 and widowed in 1903.
Have found additional siblings, Robert, William, Hugh, James, Matthew,and Elizabeth, some had children some did not.
If anyone has either a Seeton or Coulter I would love to hear from you, even if it is only to eliminate your family line.
Regards Abygail
updated 15/08/2010
I have some fresh information to add to the above,
On some documentation the G in Gribble looks more like a T so it may have been Tribble.
In the address department the following combinations appear,
Mulinagore, Carland
Clackstown
Glencon, sometimes looks like Glencor
Sherrywood, sometimes as two words
Dungannon
11 McLean Street, Plantation, Glasgow (relating to a Hugh Seaton married to a Sarah Ann Donaldson) Hugh died 6/9/1897
There is reference to Hugh and a William Seaton in Glasgow
Apparently after Hugh was killed at work his body was returned to the family and Hugh was buried in the family plot at Crossdernott, his widow also returned to Tyrone, their daughter was raised by Hugh's siblings James and Elizabeth Seaton and Anne remarried and had two more children (Morrison). Their son Hugh was raised by his mother and stepfather.
A Matthew Seaton was in the RIC, Have since traced Matthew and his wife Mary to Hartford CT, in 1910 US Census, they had a son and a daughter - no issue from either.
The following are from Remembrance Cards.
Rachael Seeton died 9/4/1903 at Glencon? and was buried at Crossdernot Cemetery, Rachael was the youngest daughter of George and Mary Seeton.
Robert Seaton died 8/6/1891 and was buried at Benfieldside Cemetery (Co Durham?) he was married to Isabell Baxter.
I think I found Robert in a census return, then his marriage, birth and death of a son, John George Seeton and Robert's subsequent death. John Seaton was from all accounts Presbyterian.
From what I have been able to decipher the above (less the spouses) were all siblings to John Seeton and offspring of George and Mary Seeton. Hopefully this additional information will help.
Regards anyway, Abygail
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In Griffiths Valuation for County Tyrone, no entries appear for Seeton and only a few for Seaton. Go to http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php and enter 'Seaton' then choose county 'Tyrone' and then search. No Gribble / Grimble names turn up for Tyrone albeit a couple of Gribble/s do turn up in Cork.
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Hi Abygail,
Lets see if you can find some present day Seaton/Seeton families who may have a rough idea of where their families were originally located In the north of Ireland or Britain this site should help you http://192.com In the south of Ireland http://www.dit.ie/DIT/ict_services/phones/eircom.html Some Seatons signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912 http://www.proni.gov.uk/ulstercovenantsearch/results.asp The Genealogy.com Genforum site has two pages of people with the name Seaton.
I hope this may be of some assistance, Chris
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Hello Abigail et al,
As a note, the Seeton's of Nova Scotia derive from Dungannon, County Tyrone, where Thomas Seaton, his son Thomas and daughter Mary, as well as a Jane Seaton are buried. They aret he family of James Seeton of Nova Scotia who immigrated there in 1822 with his family.
There was also a John Seeton who was from Ireland, and who was a Burgher on the island of Statia (St. Eustatius) in 1781 and listed on the noted "Rodney Roll".
For the Seeton's of Nova Scotia, see below:
Thomas Seaton of Dungannon, Tyrone, Ireland (b 1727. d.14.05.1811), buried in Dungannon Presbyterian Cemetery, Co. Tyrone, Ireland.
m. unknown - possibly Jane (?), buried in Dungannon Presbyterian Cemetery, Co. Tyrone, Ireland.
1. Mary Seaton (b 1772. d. 09.05.1781), buried in Dungannon Presbyterian Cemetery, Co. Tyrone, Ireland.
m1. unknown
2. Thomas Seaton (b 1774. d. 19.06.1818), buried in Dungannon Presbyterian Cemetery, Co. Tyrone, Ireland.
m1. unknown
3. James Seeton (name also spelt Seaton in Ireland, and occassionally in NS as = Seton) (b 1776. d 27.03.1858 in his 83rd year), noted as being of Scottish descent of the illustrious Seton Family of Scotland, married 1808 in Donaghmore, Donegal, Ireland by Rev'd Samuel Dill, Presbyterian, Emigrated from Ireland to Londonderry, Nova Scotia on May 15th 1821 and arrived in June of the same year (alt. date left June 24, 1822 and landing July 24th, 1822) leaving from Belfast and landed at St. John New Brunswick. He moved to Londonderry N.S. one month later. He died and was buried in the Folly Village Cemetery in Glenholm, Londonderry, Nova Scotia.
m. Martha Crawford (b. 1783. d. 25.06.1848 aged 65 yrs) Martha was related to the noted family of Crawford of Donegal, Ireland, though she herself was from Co. Tyrone, Ireland. Her paternal religion was noted as Methodist, though unconfirmed.
see the Seton Family website: http://www.thesetonfamily.com/cadets/The_Seetons_of_Nova Scotia_lineage.htm
Sincerely yours,
Kenneth Seton (nee Seeton).
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Hi all,
Trying a different method to open the gate, been trying for a long time to find any information re John Seeton/Seeton b 15/03/1857 somewhere in NI. He's supposed to have told his youngest daughter he was from Mullingore/Mullingar Carland, Dungannon Co Tyrone. Parents, George Seeton and Mary Gribble, siblings, George (went to America) Robert (went to UK) a sister? Jane stayed in Ireland? allegedly parents died c1919 aged about 92. The photo was taken in Australia in 1903 very close to when John's wife died, leaving him his 3 daughters. Does this man look like someone in your family tree?
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Abygail
Carland is a village / clachan / cluster of houses north of Dungannon, but the name Carland is not an administrative area. Carland falls at least partly in the townland of Gortnaglush, civil parish of Donaghmore.
There is a presbyterian church in Carland.
In the civil parish of Donaghmore there is a townland called Mullaghmore, but not I'm afraid one called Mullingore/Mullingar. In fact there is not in the whole of County Tyrone a townland beginning "Mulling".
Hope this helps
Adrian
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Hi,
Why don't you try this website to look up in the Death Indexes? www.familyulster.com
Do not worry about the word "Ulster" in its name as they do have an access to the whole Ireland GRO indexes up to 1922 (the year when they divided Ireland into two parts).
Only one pound per year to look up in!
Hope this help you a bit!
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi again,
You may get lucky if you managed to find your John's parents' marriage provided that they got married between 1845 to his birth!
Kind regards,
Tees
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Thanks everyone, I just love all that positive feedback, :) I know I have an uphill struggle to find anything much on any of the Irish from the 19th Century. Have always had doubts re my Nana's documentation of origin details. Sometimes wonder if John actually knew where he was from. :-X Also planning to visit Ireland in September, suggestions / recommendations on places I should visit to further my search will be appreciated. 8) ???
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Abygail,I am new to this site so I have just come across your post re Carland.There is indeed a Church in Carland dated to 1646.I am about 10 mins from the old church and g/yard and will check h/stones to see if any match your names and dates.I know this is a bit late from your orig.post but it might throw something up for you.
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Hi Mossy,
Thanks for the post, I hadn't seen either lot of records so they are new to me. I don't know how many George Seaton's there were at the time so it is debatable if we have a match. My GGF was born in 1857, and his mother was, according to his marriage certificate, Mary GRIBBLE so Mary CAULTON may be his sister in law as he had a brother called George as well, who immigrated to America. (and I am yet to trace him as well). Anything new is welcome I can easily determine its relevance / credibility. Are you in Ireland? as I plan to spend a week there in September so suggestions on places to do research will be most welcome.
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There is indeed a townland of Mulnagore near Carland and Donaghmore, Co Tyrone.
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Hello possible cousins,
I have worked back to my great grandfathers parents and found there were several siblings and after tracing forward with each I am hoping that some of my X times removed cousins are tracing their history as well and would like to share their history.
George Seaton married Mary Coulter 26 Dec 1851 at Sandholes Pres church, Desertcrete parish. they died 1913 and 1923 respectively. both born c1825.
UPDATE:- After reading their entry in the 1911 Census for Ireland, apparently George was born 1822 in Co. Londonderry, and Mary was born 1832 in Co Tyrone. Mary had given birth to 12 live children, 7 of which were still alive at the time of the Census. They had been married for 63 years. So I may have the wrong marriage year. 1848 may be closer to the correct time. But the 2 offspring listed as still living at home give their ages as 30 and 28 years. This is app 10 years younger than I had thought.
Some of their sons listed Mary's maiden name as Trimble or Grimble. don't know why.
their children and grandchildren were as follows;
George b Mulnagore when 1855? need help.????
John b 1857, m 1895 d 1922 went to Australia,
3 daughters all dec., 8 grandchildren, 3 still alive, 30 plus great grandchildren, 60 plus , 30 and still counting on the fifth generation. my line
Robert b 1860, married Isabella Baxter, Co Durham Eng.
son George, 1891 m 1910 to Lily Westhorpes d19??
daughters Lily and Georgina b1912 & 1916
James bc1862? married Sarah Riddell b 1864 c1901 at Sherrigrim, Newmills. need help
Hugh b1864, married Anne McDonaldson, Glasgow, 1890 d 1897
son Hugh b1893 raised in Co Tyrone, married, d c1965?
1 adopted daughter. with large family
William George b1868? married 1890 Mary Turnbull in Glasgow Scotland,
d 1916,
2 daughters Lilly b 1894 married Hyslop c1915? and Mary b 1892
Sarah Jane, single b 1870 d ?1947?
Thomas single, b1872 d 1950?
Matthew b 1873? married Mary Macleish (Irish)c1903? where ? In 1920 and 1930 US census Hartford Conn.
son George E, b c1905 and daughter Marjorie b c1904
to see addition data re George and Marjorie please refer to
Lookup please - Seaton family, Hartford Connecticut USA
In the Hartford Courant from 12 Nov. 1935:
Matthew Seaton, 62, of 128 Allen Place, died Monday morning at his home. He leaves his wife Mrs. Mary (Macleish) Seaton, a son George Seaton, and a daughter Miss Marjorie Seaton, both of Hartford. The funeral will be held Wednesday at 3 p.m. at the funeral homes of Taylor & Modeen, 233 Washington Street. Rev. Edmund C. Thomas, rector of St. James's church, will officiate.
In the Hartford Courant from 22 Dec. 1940:
Mary A. Seaton, widow of Matthew Seaton, died Saturday evening at her home, 128 Allen Place. She was born in Ireland and had lived here for 30 years. She was a member of St. James' Episcopal Church and of the Women's Auxiliary of the church. She leaves one son, George, and one daughter, Marjorie, both of Hartford. The funeral will be held at Taylor & Modeen, 233 Washington Street, at a time to be announced.
2 later announcements state that Mary's funeral was to be held Tuesday at 1:30 pm and she would be buried at Cedar Hill Cemetary.
Rebecca, single b1876 d1903
Eliza.... I know very little about her, she is mentioned in letters at the time (1902) I think found her in the 1901 Scottish Census. Married to Robert Lamont? with 3 sons and 3 daughters and brother in law Matthew Seaton living with them at the time. Their ages are hard to see on the census.
Eliza... may be older than George, I don't know this or if there was other children born in the first few years of the marriage. Rebecca appears to have been the last born.
I would love to be able to share extra information with you as well as fill in some gaps and possibly questions answered.
Abygail
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Hello
It appears our family lines may have crossed. I have been researching a brother and sister, James and Eliza(beth) Seeton (sometimes Seaton) who were both born in C Tyrone (James 1842 and Eliza 1834) arrived in Stoke on Trent in 1850's (living in Stoke in 1861 Census). James Seeton founded a line, now spelled Seaton, of which I am his great great grandson.
In one line of your post you mention "other siblings" including a James and and Elizabeth which could well be the same (certainyl confirm a likely family connection using those names) but I am not clear whose siblings they would be.
Are you referign to siblings of John Seeton or his father George. What information do you have on James and Elizabeth that you mention?
The dates don't seem to match up well for them to siblinsg of JohN Seeton.. George and Mary Seeton were too young to be the parents of Eliza and James, but possibly they were all siblings - George (b 1828), Elizabeth (b 1834) and James (b 1842). That would only be 14 years between them which would be quite possible.
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Hi,
I dare say I do get a bit confusing with my posts at times. If you have a look for my Seaton posts I have George Seaton and Mary Coulter as the parents of 12 offspring. I have gathered the names of 11 which I feel is no mean feat given everything.
I'm guessing that George had siblings named James and Elizabeth as they are both names used with his offspring, so it is very likely that your James and Elizabeth could be siblings of my George Seaton. From what I have found thus far, George and Mary wed at Sandholes Pres Church in 1852. Re the age spread of families, my maternal GF was 25 years younger than his older sibling and a 20 year spread is quiet common. Will PM you my address.
Aby
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"I'm guessing that George had siblings named James and Elizabeth as they are both names used with his offspring, so it is very likely that your James and Elizabeth could be siblings of my George Seaton."
Since the Seetons seem to have been in the area for such a long time it's really not safe to assume that there's such a close connection between your George Seeton and that James and Elizabeth. One or both of you could easily end up following the wrong family, etc.
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I know care needs to be taken before jumping to conclusions or as I say guessing - I do have a first name for my George so if it matches with James and Elizabeth's father's name the odd may be reduced. I don't settle for the first possible match, I try to have at least 3 other confirmations re data before accepting it at gospel.
My George Seaton was born in 1826 and his father's name was James Seaton.
Abygail
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Hi Abygail
My 3rd Great Grandfather was George Seaton who I believe had a sister called Margaret Bell Seaton. George had a daughter my 2nd Great Grandmother Ann Jane Seaton, born abt 1825. Ann married by Great Grandfather Samuel Larmour 21 Nov 1849 Lisburn civil Registrar office. On their marriage certificate it gives the townland of both as Derrykillultagh, Parish of Ballinderry, Lisburn. George was deceased at the time of their marriage.
Maggie
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Happy New Year,
It is possible our George's were related but at present I don't have any proof either way. My wish for Santa was a large detailed map of Ireland so I can pin point where differents ones were located. Seems I'm too old for Santa to bring presents too. ::)
Eventually we will fit it all together. sending you a PM please reply.
Aby
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Hello all,
Here I am, 8 years on but still not really any closer to untangling my ancestry. For those who have, like me, done their DNA and have a match for a Alinda Maude Firth (Australia) please make contact.
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Just supplying links to statements in a couple of the older posts-
From what I have found thus far, George and Mary wed at Sandholes Pres Church in 1852.
Marriage on 26th December 1851.
George living in Allen townland.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1851/09406/5407601.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-upper/desertcreat/allen/
Ann married by Great Grandfather Samuel Larmour 21 Nov 1849 Lisburn civil Registrar office. On their marriage certificate it gives the townland of both as Derrykillultagh, Parish of Ballinderry, Lisburn.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09372/5394301.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/massereene-upper/ballinderry/derrykillultagh/
KG
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OP
Just adding death record links and information for comments in your opening post.
Seems George died 1913 and Mary in 1922
George Seaton - death record
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05338/4486279.pdf
Died at Glencon townland
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/dungannon-middle/tullyniskan/glencon/
From GRONI on-line: https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Mary Seaton - death record
7th January 1924 age 96 Female Dungannon
KG
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Thank you for that, appreciated. Aby
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Hi there I came across this forum whilst researching the family and wondered if my info helps anyone.
I am William Seaton the youngest son of Norman Seaton who was born1911.
His father , my Grandad, was James George Seaton born 1886, died 1960's. He was the youngest of 9 children.
His father, my great grandad, was James Seeton (later Seaton) born in 1842 in Tyrone Ireland. In 1861 he was living in Ireland with his sister Eliza, born 1834.
Later in 1861 he was living at 42 Newport Lane, Stoke On Trent in the 1861 census, aged 18 an apprentice potter.
In 1866 he married Mary Brough, born 1846, died 1900, they had 9 children ..I know of James and his sister Eliza but have no knowledge of where the other siblings were.
Eliza married a Thomas Chatfield, born in Staffordshire who was also a potter, she died
1882.I hope this is of interest to someone,
regards Will.
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This may be of no relevance but there is a bridge between Coagh in Co Tyrone and Littlebridge and the older people always called it Seetons Bridge Now it is actually in Co Derry which is deceiving as its on the main road between Coagh and Cookstown both in Co Tyrone
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Firstly , thank you to both niccorr for that small gem regarding locations and names. Sometimes I am convinced these people didn't want to be traced.
Secondly to William Seaton, Some of the names seem to be familiar 'family' names that 'my
lot like to repeat generation after generation, which is why I feel like I'm up against a brick wall.
Quick question, have you done your DNA? If so with whom? I've done mine via My Heritage. Be brilliant if there is a DNA match between us. My ggf's younger brother, Robert Seeton went to Durham to work as a miner, he married an Isabell Baxter had a son George William Seeton before being killed in an open faced slag heap collapse. c1890's I think George served WW1 married had daughters and I've lost the trail. Found a Thomas Seeton 1890 census from memory was a veteran no idea if he ties in. Please PM if you like Aby
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This may be of no relevance but there is a bridge between Coagh in Co Tyrone and Littlebridge and the older people always called it Seetons Bridge Now it is actually in Co Derry which is deceiving as its on the main road between Coagh and Cookstown both in Co Tyrone
Is this the bridge you are referring to, a short distance from Littlebridge and on the B73?
https://tinyurl.com/y77esm55
KG
**Edit**
OSNI Historical First Edition (1832-1846) map names this bridge as Ballygonny Bridge in the townland of Ballygonny More.
https://apps.spatialni.gov.uk/PRONIApplication/
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/tamlaght/ballygonny-more/
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Thank you again for the contributions and suggestions. Gives me something to keep my mind busy while allowing my broken ankle time to heal.
Wishing everyone a safe and Happy Christmas ;) ;) ;)
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Yes thats the bridge Im referring to There are 3 bridges near each other on that road.That one then Littlebridge at Littlebridge and The Big Bridge which is on towards Stewartstown
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Hi Abygail, I'm a great great grand-daughter of Robert Seeton/Seaton born c.1859 who moved to Consett, County Durham and married Isabelle Baxter... That means we're some sort of relation.
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Firstly , thank you to both niccorr for that small gem regarding locations and names. Sometimes I am convinced these people didn't want to be traced.
Secondly to William Seaton, Some of the names seem to be familiar 'family' names that 'my
lot like to repeat generation after generation, which is why I feel like I'm up against a brick wall.
Quick question, have you done your DNA? If so with whom? I've done mine via My Heritage. Be brilliant if there is a DNA match between us. My ggf's younger brother, Robert Seeton went to Durham to work as a miner, he married an Isabell Baxter had a son George William Seeton before being killed in an open faced slag heap collapse. c1890's I think George served WW1 married had daughters and I've lost the trail. Found a Thomas Seeton 1890 census from memory was a veteran no idea if he ties in. Please PM if you like Aby
Hi, I’m descended from Robert Seeton & Isabella Baxter. Their son George William was my grandma’s father. George William, married a Lily Westhorp, served in WW1 in naval medical corps, had 2 daughters one of whom was my grandmother. I have photos of George William.
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Hi there I came across this forum whilst researching the family and wondered if my info helps anyone.
I am William Seaton the youngest son of Norman Seaton who was born1911.
His father , my Grandad, was James George Seaton born 1886, died 1960's. He was the youngest of 9 children.
His father, my great grandad, was James Seeton (later Seaton) born in 1842 in Tyrone Ireland. In 1861 he was living in Ireland with his sister Eliza, born 1834.
Later in 1861 he was living at 42 Newport Lane, Stoke On Trent in the 1861 census, aged 18 an apprentice potter.
In 1866 he married Mary Brough, born 1846, died 1900, they had 9 children ..I know of James and his sister Eliza but have no knowledge of where the other siblings were.
Eliza married a Thomas Chatfield, born in Staffordshire who was also a potter, she died
1882.I hope this is of interest to someone,
regards Will.
Hi William,
I am a professional genetic genealogist at the University of Strathclyde and I have conducted significant genetic research on the Seton lineages. I have been looking for a direct male descendant from the Seaton lineage from Tyrone. Would you be interested in testing your Y-Chromosome through FTDNA and join my Seaton/Seton FTDNA project?
We have discovered the Y-DNA SNPs of the Earls of Winton and Pitmedden. Based on the documentary research I have conducted, the Seaton lineage from Tyrone should also descend from the Pitmedden lineage. It would be great if you are interested in exploring this hypothesis?
My email address is:
Please get in touch if you would like to test or discuss this further. I would also love to hear from any direct Seton male (plus spelling variation) or females with a living direct Seton male relative who are interested in testing.
Best wishes,
Philip